technical office extension and drawing management

[Davimont]

we are considering the acquisition of a new figure that will take care of the drawing of the boards while I would continue with the three-dimensional design and I would dedicate myself to other chores.
currently I everything on my pc and I must begin to understand how to organize everything to make sure that the second figure can work smoothly but I have no experience on how to do it.

Since the new figure will not have experience, it is sure that the first times will make some casinos and you will have to resort to some backups to restore some overwritten or revitalized files somehow (when I started I was on the agenda )

How do you structure an office with multiple designers/designers? at first you can try the dropbox road?
Before questioning the manager it I would like to have the ideas a little clearer.

 

[infallibile_GF]

how much I can't bear those who believe that an experienced designer should only make the harvests at the table. it is an absurd stuff, that does not quickly grow the "young" without experience, that is to make the tables without modeling and therefore does not even understand what the pieces are used and at the same time does unlearn to draw the expert designer, that, abandoning the activity of putting into the table, you quickly forget how to make the drawings, how to quote, how to get hung up. for me this system of division of tasks hurts both: to the young and the expert.
I would be in you right away to the newcomer a complete job, perhaps simple, but I would make him a complete project from modeling, to tableing, to the distinct, to the assemblies. In this way you learn much faster, you grow fast and, most importantly, you will be responsible immediately. then if you make mistakes...just check the work you do well and if some mistakes will arrive in production.. patience. to everything is corrected. The designers are wrong, so they can be wrong with the first weapons.

 

[Be_on_edge]

you can start with a nas (possibly windows to use the indexing service) and start using the solid edge bidm. I have no direct experience of this module as I use a custom made pdm but for 2 users should have everything you need; others will give you better directions.

 

[Davimont]

how much I can't bear those who believe that an experienced designer should only make the harvests at the table. it is an absurd stuff, that does not quickly grow the "young" without experience, that is to make the tables without modeling and therefore does not even understand what the pieces are used and at the same time does unlearn to draw the expert designer, that, abandoning the activity of putting into the table, you quickly forget how to make the drawings, how to quote, how to get hung up. for me this system of division of tasks hurts both: to the young and the expert.
I would be in you right away to the newcomer a complete job, perhaps simple, but I would make him a complete project from modeling, to tableing, to the distinct, to the assemblies. In this way you learn much faster, you grow fast and, most importantly, you will be responsible immediately. then if you make mistakes...just check the work you do well and if some mistakes will arrive in production.. patience. to everything is corrected. The designers are wrong, so they can be wrong with the first weapons.

I'll see how to manage and grow the boy or girl he is.

when I started almost 20 years ago (in other company) I modified the existing projects to understand how they were thought. with time I have taken more and more familiarity until I get to the point of designing my machine from scratch.

keep in mind that I have always worked in a sheet metal environment, where the most complex part is the modeling and the table is the easiest part to realize because only the necessary measures are required to the operator of the die-packer to perform the piece. no tolerances, no roughness, no structural calculations, no complex mechanical parts except any engine, piston or fan.

you can start with a nas (possibly windows to use the indexing service) and start using the solid edge bidm. I have no direct experience of this module as I use a custom made pdm but for 2 users should have everything you need; others will give you better directions.

thank you, let's see if other users have a situation that approaches mine.

 

[stevie]

the idea of using dropbox, as well as any basic storage system, both local and cloud, is fine only if the second figure will limit itself to "weight" the model file or together and have to make the tables.
in case the second figure should start editing files created by others, perhaps with the risk of opening files already under review, it would be chaos.
at that point the use of a pdm becomes mandatory.

 

[cacciatorino]

it is good to use integrated management of solid edge data: I use it and find it very precious. As for the cloud, I think it's better than onedrive of dropbox: in addition to integration with ms-ofice, the basic version of onedrive offers all the tools you need at a much lower price than dropbox. the important function for you is the fact that onedrive (but I also believe dropbox) keeps a fairly large rescue historian. I mean, you always have the last 4-5 saves on each file, so if any apprentice gets into trouble, you can solve them quickly.

I would put a central computer to use as a server, possibly with windows operating system so you also have the lock on the files: If you've opened a drawing, your partner can open it but read-only, and solid edge will alert it to those who opened it and if it's been updated and then it's recharged. If you use a nas this function is not for granted.

other thing you could use is the "states" (in processing, available, released, etcetc) with which you can manage access to individual files.

we say that now solid edge has all the main functions of a pdm, without the madness of installing and configuring a real pdm.

to sum up I would do:

1) Windows server with fast search enabled and configured
2) onedrive cloud as backup, to which the server connects to daily or hourly or continuous cadence, see you
3) use of solid edge bidetm (integrated data management)
4) possible use of states

 

[Be_on_edge]

I add that on the archive you can activate the "versioning" also known as "file history" so that you can return to a previous version within click reach

How to use File History in Windows 10 and 11

You can back up and restore files with Windows’ built-in File History tool — but there are key limitations you should know.

www.computerworld.com

 

[re_solidworks]

how much I can't bear those who believe that an experienced designer should only make the harvests at the table. it is an absurd stuff, that does not quickly grow the "young" without experience, that is to make the tables without modeling and therefore does not even understand what the pieces are used and at the same time does unlearn to draw the expert designer, that, abandoning the activity of putting into the table, you quickly forget how to make the drawings, how to quote, how to get hung up. for me this system of division of tasks hurts both: to the young and the expert.
I would be in you right away to the newcomer a complete job, perhaps simple, but I would make him a complete project from modeling, to tableing, to the distinct, to the assemblies. In this way you learn much faster, you grow fast and, most importantly, you will be responsible immediately. then if you make mistakes...just check the work you do well and if some mistakes will arrive in production.. patience. to everything is corrected. The designers are wrong, so they can be wrong with the first weapons.

I of young boys, "first experience" I have formed several of them and are of opinion opposite to yours. to start them with the table does not mean that they will do that forever, but that they will do it for a period necessary to take familiarity with a part of the cad and above all they will begin to see what and how they realize the ideas the most experienced colleagues. the model must be explained, so that they understand what they are doing and why.
useless to design something to a person who cannot realize anything feasible. I say because when I tried to anticipate with modeling, indecents came out. insertion into modeling and conception of ideas must be done gradually, the more experience is accumulated and the more it is possible to shape elements loosening control.
I project in own, if the error goes into production, not only do I take words, the customer demands damage, so better use the lead feet.
with your method they go to be blessed times, costs and quality, I can assure you and I repeat: I regret it every time I took a step forward.

 

[MFT]

I of young boys, "first experience" I have formed several of them and are of opinion opposite to yours. to start them with the table does not mean that they will do that forever, but that they will do it for a period necessary to take familiarity with a part of the cad and above all they will begin to see what and how they realize the ideas the most experienced colleagues. the model must be explained, so that they understand what they are doing and why.
useless to design something to a person who cannot realize anything feasible. I say because when I tried to anticipate with modeling, indecents came out. insertion into modeling and conception of ideas must be done gradually, the more experience is accumulated and the more it is possible to shape elements loosening control.
I project in own, if the error goes into production, not only do I take words, the customer demands damage, so better use the lead feet.
with your method they go to be blessed times, costs and quality, I can assure you and I repeat: I regret it every time I took a step forward.

sante parole, concordo pienamente.

 

[infallibile_GF]

I of young boys, "first experience" I have formed several of them and are of opinion opposite to yours. to start them with the table does not mean that they will do that forever, but that they will do it for a period necessary to take familiarity with a part of the cad and above all they will begin to see what and how they realize the ideas the most experienced colleagues. the model must be explained, so that they understand what they are doing and why.
useless to design something to a person who cannot realize anything feasible. I say because when I tried to anticipate with modeling, indecents came out. insertion into modeling and conception of ideas must be done gradually, the more experience is accumulated and the more it is possible to shape elements loosening control.
I project in own, if the error goes into production, not only do I take words, the customer demands damage, so better use the lead feet.
with your method they go to be blessed times, costs and quality, I can assure you and I repeat: I regret it every time I took a step forward.

from experience in all the technical offices where I worked I never happened to see the last arrived kid come put to make the harvests at the table. never, even when the kid in question had just graduated a couple of months before. I have always seen to assign them projects in full, certainly not the most complex, we say that they were entrusted with the simplest, but complete projects. Sure then there must be a tutor who follows them step by step and who controls well what they do. and I have never seen to combine who knows what damage to sti novellini, indeed in this way they grow fast and there is no risk that they immediately break the balls to do a boring job like the food of other designers.
I myself at the beginning of my experience as a designer, I was assigned a simple project, but whole... so that then it was designed in 2d with autocad, so the problem of putting into the table did not exist.
already and then how did they do when drawing everything in 2d with autocad? It's history of only making the harvests at the table for beginners jumped out when the 3d spread. There's too much fear in giving confidence to young people.

 

[Peppe]

from experience in all the technical offices where I worked I never happened to see the last arrived kid come put to make the harvests at the table. never, even when the kid in question had just graduated a couple of months before. I have always seen to assign them projects in full, certainly not the most complex, we say that they were entrusted with the simplest, but complete projects. Sure then there must be a tutor who follows them step by step and who controls well what they do. and I have never seen to combine who knows what damage to sti novellini, indeed in this way they grow fast and there is no risk that they immediately break the balls to do a boring job like the food of other designers.
I myself at the beginning of my experience as a designer, I was assigned a simple project, but whole... so that then it was designed in 2d with autocad, so the problem of putting into the table did not exist.
already and then how did they do when drawing everything in 2d with autocad? It's history of only making the harvests at the table for beginners jumped out when the 3d spread. There's too much fear in giving confidence to young people.

I do not agree, by experience, the best thing for a young man should be able to follow the whole production process of a component but on the contrary.
pass into the workshop and get some hands dirty, then technical office and start with the bases, that is put in the table, tolerance, assemblies of assembly, separate compilation etc.
then if the figure learns constructively you start with the real modeling/assembly and study of new or update old projects.

I myself at the dawns (I used autocad 2000) I started in the technical office simply printing and bending drawings of all sizes (and already here we could open a debate on correctly bending the drawings) and then hand doing things increasingly complicated.

There's no risk of breaking the balls right away. to do a boring job like the food of other designers.

It's useless to want to run without knowing how to walk first.

 

[re_solidworks]

We are too afraid to trust young people.

It is not true, I have always given much, but if you have to work in quality and the projects on which you work are complex there are no alternatives except to leave the rope "a little at a time". It is not a matter of giving or less trust, no one is born learned and when the pure learning phase (courses) is at work can last a few days, not a long time enough to learn enough.
if a person without experience gets bored after a few tables... Well, he's not in my office.
the work of technical office is to do what it takes to send in production in the best possible way the products, must be done in the best possible way and in the least possible time to contain the costs. (the order is not causal). resources must be managed to achieve this result.
My first job? they put me in front of an elongated a0 on the tecnigraph and they told me I need all the drawings of the pantographs in dwg. This was all the training received.
in the company where I started they never made me training, they never "teached me", they gave me a lot of ideas to train, understand and grow. you must know how to grasp and exploit them.

 

[re_solidworks]

I do not agree, by experience, the best thing for a young man should be able to follow the whole production process of a component but on the contrary.
pass into the workshop and get some hands dirty, then technical office and start with the bases, that is put in the table, tolerance, assemblies of assembly, separate compilation etc.
then if the figure learns constructively you start with the real modeling/assembly and study of new or update old projects.

I myself at the dawns (I used autocad 2000) I started in the technical office simply printing and bending drawings of all sizes (and already here we could open a debate on correctly bending the drawings) and then hand doing things increasingly complicated.


It's useless to want to run without knowing how to walk first.

exact, direct contact with production is essential for the growth of a designer/designer.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

from experience in all the technical offices where I worked I never happened to see the last arrived kid come put to make the harvests at the table. never, even when the kid in question had just graduated a couple of months before. I have always seen to assign them projects in full, certainly not the most complex, we say that they were entrusted with the simplest, but complete projects. Sure then there must be a tutor who follows them step by step and who controls well what they do. and I have never seen to combine who knows what damage to sti novellini, indeed in this way they grow fast and there is no risk that they immediately break the balls to do a boring job like the food of other designers.
I myself at the beginning of my experience as a designer, I was assigned a simple project, but whole... so that then it was designed in 2d with autocad, so the problem of putting into the table did not exist.
already and then how did they do when drawing everything in 2d with autocad? It's history of only making the harvests at the table for beginners jumped out when the 3d spread. There's too much fear in giving confidence to young people.

I started with autocad.
making month at the table does not only mean making the quotation of item already drawn or modeled; can mean, as in my case in autocad, extract the particular from the axieme, where it is represented dimensionally correct, but devoid of details such as bevels and rays, make the views correct and complete and therefore to quote; can mean converting a pdf made with the tecnigraph noting small or large inconsistencies.
what you get this way: get familiar with the software, compare you with the way to share others and metabolize a method that you will then sink or change over time, learn the importance of every small element, learn what certain details are needed and where they are used and not least learn what are the important elements of the various details.
when you start with the first projects you have so much more structured bases than at the beginning; Meanwhile you do not lose your head because you do not know how to do and something with software and you focus on the project, you have stored existing solutions, you have acerbo a method of design, you know terms and technical language.

 

[MFT]

I do not agree, by experience, the best thing for a young man should be able to follow the whole production process of a component but on the contrary.
pass into the workshop and get some hands dirty, then technical office and start with the bases, that is put in the table, tolerance, assemblies of assembly, separate compilation etc.
then if the figure learns constructively you start with the real modeling/assembly and study of new or update old projects.

I myself at the dawns (I used autocad 2000) I started in the technical office simply printing and bending drawings of all sizes (and already here we could open a debate on correctly bending the drawings) and then hand doing things increasingly complicated.


It's useless to want to run without knowing how to walk first.

I agree fully

 

[MFT]

I started with autocad.
making month at the table does not only mean making the quotation of item already drawn or modeled; can mean, as in my case in autocad, extract the particular from the axieme, where it is represented dimensionally correct, but devoid of details such as bevels and rays, make the views correct and complete and therefore to quote; can mean converting a pdf made with the tecnigraph noting small or large inconsistencies.
what you get this way: get familiar with the software, compare you with the way to share others and metabolize a method that you will then sink or change over time, learn the importance of every small element, learn what certain details are needed and where they are used and not least learn what are the important elements of the various details.
when you start with the first projects you have so much more structured bases than at the beginning; Meanwhile you do not lose your head because you do not know how to do and something with software and you focus on the project, you have stored existing solutions, you have acerbo a method of design, you know terms and technical language.

Exactly, I started with the figurative tecnigraph. already only to write well the legible quotas, to retrace the traces with the china it took months to reach a decent level. the problem is not the young, even because at school they teach him little or nothing of what is done in ut; but the masters who ut are dismantling him little by little there is no longer the chain of formation inside and immediately the disembarkation to shape unconstructible pieces.

 

[re_solidworks]

we are considering the acquisition of a new figure that will take care of the drawing of the boards while I would continue with the three-dimensional design and I would dedicate myself to other chores.
currently I everything on my pc and I must begin to understand how to organize everything to make sure that the second figure can work smoothly but I have no experience on how to do it.

Since the new figure will not have experience, it is sure that the first times will make some casinos and you will have to resort to some backups to restore some overwritten or revitalized files somehow (when I started I was on the agenda )

How do you structure an office with multiple designers/designers? at first you can try the dropbox road?
Before questioning the manager it I would like to have the ideas a little clearer.

I try to answer you. I think it is essential to have the data in one archive. you could simply share a folder of your pc on the net, but it's a bad method. having a windows server is the best thing, then you see what allows your budget.
solidedge I use it recently and I don’t know these aspects, but there are cads that require native active directories, so the solution is windows server. here you activate shadow copies (previous versions) and think of a good backup strategy. take a nas, you just put backups on it and you only get access from lan to make backups. with software like veam incremental backups weigh relatively little and you can afford to have several versions of files on your archive. This is the departure. I would never be without pdm (but I am like this) and you can improve data security and speed according to what you invest.

 

[Davimont]

I started a good discussion! :roflmao:

for how I see it, putting the novice to make the tables is a good start to take familiarity with the software.
I had an interview with a guy who just came out of high school and told me that he never heard of solid edge or solidworks, he knows his name as an inventor because they used autocad!

the making of the boards of the components is the beginning to make understand what we treat without risking that one component does not stand on the other, at most there is a quota or puts one in the wrong place.

the making boards, however, should not last too long. I think that after a month you can start editing some existing projects to start exploring the 3d environment.
I arrive from the workshop and from autocad, so I know what I am drawing and I already imagine the assembly in production. a boy just out of school has an insurmountable rock at the beginning and you have to struggle a lot to make him understand certain dynamics.
send him six months in the workshop? I would gladly do it but the production is 300km idstance from me o_o (we are a somewhat peculiar reality)

Back to topic... we have both onedrive and dropbox so I have to see which one is better.

doubt. but my archive that I now have locally should migrate all online and then should I work with the cloud archive?? or is there only a security copy in the cloud?

the working states do not use them in their entirety. when I finish a machine and I send it into production step to the "released" state all the components, the other states I have never used them.

Shadow copies, backup strategy and machine management in general I must leave you to responsible it unfortunately. But I would like to advance well structured demands so that you do what I need and not what he wants.

I repeat, my situation is a little abnormal, we are part of a group of different companies among themselves where the IT manages all the infrastructure, even delocalized. one of these companies is mine, where the technical office is practically just me.

 

[cacciatorino]

doubt. but my archive that I now have locally should migrate all online and then should I work with the cloud archive?? or is there only a security copy in the cloud?

choose how you think it's better. I have the server in the office and in the cloud I keep copies of what I might have to work on at the moment, when I am out of office or for those who work in smartworking. for this use the symbolic links of windows, which you can only use on onedrive because, at least until a few years ago, are not supported on dropbox.

 

[cacciatorino]

Shadow copies, backup strategy and machine management in general I must leave you to responsible it unfortunately. But I would like to advance well structured demands so that you do what I need and not what he wants.

by experience it managers are always against using cloud systems, for data confidentiality issues. if you enable file versions on the internal server you can do without the cloud according to me.

Instead made to enable and configure fastsearch and integrated management of solid edge data, they are a huge help in everyday design and design practice (for example, if you save with the name of a part to then make it a similar one, automatically the system also copies the table and associates it with the new par, and many other things).