cartridge and cutting distinct

[gcb]

Good evening, I hope you can help me because since I use sw (just now, and by self-taught) I have the constant feeling of having wrong approach.

I deal with civil carpentry (houses, railings, etc.), so basically profiles and plates. the goal is to have:

- a series of normal cutting and drilling for individual bodies that make up the part (say format a3)
- an assembly design for the workshop where the distances are indicated between the various bodies that make up the structure, the welding, etc.
- a mounting design to be shipped to the yard where the welded pieces will be placed and fixed, perhaps with other elements defined on other parts.

I create the model with the structural bodies for the profiles and make custom-made extrusions for the plates, concentrating the model as much as possible in a single multibody part. I then go to compile a series of custom properties in the cutting distinction that include the brand of the piece (e.g. "pa" for a plate that would then be marked with the punching machine), the thickness of the plate when I make an extrusion, the material, etc.

All right (other than some neophyte blasphemy) until model, then I have to put in the table and start trouble:

on the normal cut (remember, a sheet = an element) I should report a note the name I gave to the element and total quantity. These values are already part of the cutting distinction on the multibody. the optimal would be that the cartiglio "deducesse" from the view of the individual body that contains the design these elements, but there is no way to connect a note to the value of the property. there is no way even creating the note directly on the view: Unless you use the association line - and I do not intend to do so, I want a pretty big writing that says to the worker "this is the piece a, cut 50" to place where I want - the caselline of "connect to the ddt properties" remains duly unselected. the solution would be to insert on each sheet a ddt and hide all the lines that I do not care about, but you put a life, and I would like to know if there is a more automatic way. or if there is a way to "direct" the cartilage that takes what is found in the sheet and pulls out the properties, without saving every single part of the multibody as a single element (also because the quantities in that way go to a ball).

thanks for the help

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

the cartilage connects to the properties of the drawing and if you have a multibody he cannot know what body it is and therefore its properties that are obtainable from the view.

a solution, which I use where I work, is to export the individual bodies (which remain however connected to the original and undergo any changes) and then, after editing the properties of the file so that they correspond to that of the cut distinction, make the table. in the export you may also carry behind the properties of the separate cut, but then those of the part will be impossible to change them. to export and do some tests right-click the body or item in the cut-off and select insert into the new part.
another solution, to have a unique design with n° sheets for n° bodies, is to insert the note on the view, remove the association line and place the note where you want provided it stays inside the view.
There are no ways to insert the quantities automatically. we have already talked about it in the forum and we have not come to any solution.

 

[drake]

hi, quietly use notes with the association line and then remove it by popping in the property manager the icon with the ban.
with the note connected to an element you can get a lot of information, but it is necessary to connect it to an element and sw does it not the association line. But it seems to me to remember that at the time of insertion you can't select the icon x remove it but you have to create it and then edit it.
for all the data you need you have to make an ad hoc table and insert it into the drawing. I mean everything within the paper size, I wouldn't insert anything.

 

[gcb]

export the individual bodies (which remain connected to the original and undergo any changes) and then, after editing the properties of the file so that they correspond to that of the separate cut, make the table. in the export you may also carry behind the properties of the separate cut, but then those of the part will be impossible to change them.

I can't see at the moment. Why should I be want to change the properties of the single part, but I understand that in a speech of maximum editability we can stay. :smile:
rather the work of editing the properties of the file is biunivoc? i.e., if I immediately give the bodies the properties inside the multibody I give them on the exported files, then I find them on the multibody (and on the assemblies where I use it)? the final purpose is always to have large tables connected to a bubble so that the blacksmith or the editor if they find them on the drawings.

there are no ways to insert the quantities automatically

I messed up a bit and so far the best solution seems to me to insert a distinctly formatted materials that carry the quantities and hide the pieces that I don't care about. I do not insert the separate cut because on the latter I can not hide the rows unless to divide the table and make other unfunctional arzigoli

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

rather the work of editing the properties of the file is biunivoc? that is, if I immediately give the bodies the properties within the multibody I give them on the exported files, then I find them on the multibody

no all changes are unidirectional. what you do on the exported part remains in the exported part.

insert a distinctly formatted materials that carry the quantities

but it is still data that you have to enter by hand.

 

[gcb]

but it is still data that you have to enter by hand.

Yes, it is true: at the moment I was making a design in which everything remains on the same multibody, so the parts that are repeated inside me are correctly counted. clear that if I have to use the same plate (and I will have, alas) on different parts, I will have to take into account the repetition to have the total count.

 

[drake]

the cartilage connects to the properties of the drawing and if you have a multibody he cannot know what body it is and therefore its properties that are obtainable from the view.

a solution, which I use where I work, is to export the individual bodies (which remain however connected to the original and undergo any changes) and then, after editing the properties of the file so that they correspond to that of the cut distinction, make the table. in the export you may also carry behind the properties of the separate cut, but then those of the part will be impossible to change them. to export and do some tests right-click the body or item in the cut-off and select insert into the new part.
another solution, to have a unique design with n° sheets for n° bodies, is to insert the note on the view, remove the association line and place the note where you want provided it stays inside the view.
There are no ways to insert the quantities automatically. we have already talked about it in the forum and we have not come to any solution.

Since I do not use the rescue of the bodies, I wanted to ask if once you have done their rescue, delete the "save the bodies" function from the father side, the new dependent parts remain such or once that function becomes independent?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

function "save the bodies"

What is it?
to export right-click on the body or item in the cut-off and select insert into the new part. There's no function on purpose, or at least I never used it.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Now I understand what you mean, right-click on the body folder and selections saves right bodies? .
the defects of that operation are principal two:
- if you delete the function you lose the body, that is the file created by export will be empty
- if you do a function after that of saving the bodies changes do not repercussion

doing as I have indicated is an export not dependent on functions or other, the body will always be present and will undergo any modification made in the parent part; obviously the changes made in the export file (holes, material addition, sheet development) do not affect the father file

 

[drake]

What is it?
to export right-click on the body or item in the cut-off and select insert into the new part. There's no function on purpose, or at least I never used it.

I understand what you do. I meant the rescue function of the bodies by clicking with the dx on the separate cut and then choosing the bodies to save and possibly create a set of these saved bodies. When you do this function in the tree, the function "saves the bodies". So the father-son bond you have. I don't know if you have that son-father, because I never tried. So I was wondering, if I go to erase the function with which I generated the child parts, I interrupt that bond or not?

 

[Iraz]

I thank you for this debate.
You taught me something new

 

[drake]

Now I understand what you mean, right-click on the body folder and selections saves right bodies? .
the defects of that operation are principal two:
- if you delete the function you lose the body, that is the file created by export will be empty
- if you do a function after that of saving the bodies changes do not repercussion

doing as I have indicated is an export not dependent on functions or other, the body will always be present and will undergo any modification made in the parent part; obviously the changes made in the export file (holes, material addition, sheet development) do not affect the father file

I mean that. I have tried and it is better the function that you indicate x for what you said, even if you cannot create a subaxieme as with the body saver. Ultimately I think that the function "saves the bodies" should only be used in case the model is finished and is intended to recreate a sub-part for particular needs. with the function indicated by you, you can recreate a subaxis of the exported parts creating a new set and inserting them all at the origin. However, the need to create subaxis back is really remote.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

it is possible to recreate a subset of the exported parts creating a new set and inserting them all by fixing them at the origin.

This is not clear to me. you should export on a multibody part of the bodies and then recreate a subaxieme that practically recopy the multicope part? It doesn't make sense, but it would be fine in the new manual how to get hurt with the fried air for dummmies.. .

 

[drake]

In fact, in case you need to use the function "save the bodies". However, if you're careful when creating your project, you don't need it. could have a sense, perhaps, if he had had a recognition of the components between the various multibody. but this option is not implemented unfortunately. I mean the possibility of assigning an automatic nomenclature of the pieces, as do the specific software x steel structures. it would be nice to be able to implement it in sw, maybe even in a semi-automatic way. . .

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I repeat the question that perhaps was not clear
What's the point of making a subaxieme equal to the extrapolated multibody even from the latter? Do you give me an example where this is useful?

 

[drake]

I actually think it can only be useful if you realize that some body of your multibody can be useful in other area of your work. then create a set with the bodies already in place and reuse it quickly. this could be useful in the initial sizing or preventive phase. I don't know otherwise.

 

[CIARLY]

I actually think it can only be useful if you realize that some body of your multibody can be useful in other area of your work. then create a set with the bodies already in place and reuse it quickly. this could be useful in the initial sizing or preventive phase. I don't know otherwise.

by making frames and sheets even to me happens this need.
the best thing is to pack and go, and you do it on single parts on axle or subassiemi and take you also behind the tables.
You have to be clean with names. and rescue folders otherwise go to therapy immediately.
it is convenient for details and overall that you can reuse to make a version of departure and fish from them.
in this case if you notice that the modeling is not optimal piano the affinities.

 

[drake]

It is so, in fact I made a small library of more or less useful things and that reuse saving them anyway in the specific workbook so as to make them autonomous anyway. sw has this limitation and you don't understand why it doesn't implement a body marking procedure, as I said do other specific software x steel structures. sw has nothing to envy to other tekla type for example, indeed. in the design and presentation phase of the tables, then presentation of the work to the customer is much higher level without any doubt. Unfortunately if you want to make a distinct "canonical" cut, the only way you have is to assemble the various parts that your brain has preliminarly appointed. but so you lose the flexibility of modeling and the ability to model it while designing. so if you could implement, which perhaps already exists in the market, a semi-automatic procedure would be perfect.
all the possibilities that give you to save bodies and assemblies are functions that are to be used at the time of need but to make them work practice according to me is to say unthinkable x that you may lose control of what you do.
all this is learned with the experience and with years of use of the software, not before. because let us make it clear a complex software like a cad does not learn it in a short time.

 

[Sp4rk0]

Good morning.
I refer to the discussion, I read that if I change the guide part, the changes should see also in the assieme, I have a problem, if I change the quotas to, they change all the parts as from quota "marked with the arrows", but the tubes "circle" remain fixed in their position, is normal or is something wrong?

I also set the same origin in the part and in the axieme.

Thank you.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Good morning.
I refer to the discussion, I read that if I change the guide part, the changes should see also in the assieme, I have a problem, if I change the quotas to, they change all the parts as from quota "marked with the arrows", but the tubes "circle" remain fixed in their position, is normal or is something wrong?

I also set the same origin in the part and in the axieme.

Thank you.

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What are you talking about? since the discussion is inherent in the cutting gap and the management of the bodies your request has no points in common and therefore you must be more detailed in the information; so much to say what is the guide part you read (where?)?