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[Luca A]

I recently started using inventor 2020 for work, we mainly produce sheet metal components and sometimes tubular.
in these days I have read and sought many discussions but still unfortunately I have not managed to come to the head of my problem or: exists a way to insert in a set (a) other assemblies (b) of various sizes without having to create a dedicated file for each set (b)?I explain better by bringing a fairly basic example:
between the various components we produce insulated panels in rock wool, I started drawing a .ipt with inside the shape of the flank with defined measures "width" "altezzaf" e "spf", then I drew all the reinforcements and coatings that make up my flank, resulting from the file I had created and put them together in an iam and consequently idw.

here everything works wonder in fact changing the base file everything updates automatically but if in a set I need to put three sides (along with other pieces) for example n°1 pz 1200xh3000xsp50 n°1 pz 560xh2100xsp50 n°1 pz 1040xh1700xsp50
(we have a very out of standard production and really you can have to insert many components all of different sizes)
Is there a way that you automatically create me flanks with input measures referring to the same reinforcements so that if a tomorrow change a reinforcement bend will update my projects?
right now for how I structured the thing I should for every side model copy practically all the side design and change measures but I hope someone knows how to recommend a faster and more efficient method.
I also tried to use iparts and it works well on the parts because about it does what I would like or at the time of insertion I can give them different values in the columns that I set as free and automatically creates a "under part" with the updated measures but I did not really manage to come to head with the axieme, iassembly does not seem to work properly for my need.

ps: besides the structure would already be a welded assembly but for the moment I had to remove the welds because it did not update them correctly, but this I will try to solve it later.

Attached a bit of work screen that I am running.

 

[Peppe]

try to take a look at the iassembly

 

[Luca A]

try to take a look at the iassembly

Yes, I tried as written in the post but I couldn't get the result described, I probably have to structure the components differently but I would need a suggestion, maybe I should start from the axieme of the flank instead of from the sides and do every adaptive part to the flank?

 

[windreef]

Yes, I tried as written in the post but I couldn't get the result described, I probably have to structure the components differently but I would need a suggestion, maybe I should start from the axieme of the flank instead of from the sides and do every adaptive part to the flank?

as said peppe the solution is iassembly , you should create a set made of iparts and the various iparts created according to your needs , for example an ipart for the traverse in various lengths and heights (if they change) with the usual part. then create with iassembly the various compositions , but the iparts you have to make them first . in the future if there are changes do the updates of the iparts and assembly
As an alternative there is ilogic, I have seen a webinar in which they managed the axioms with ilogic but I do not know how to do it in ilogic I do not understand anything, I have tried but it is not as simple as they say. courses cost a bang.

 

[Luca A]

My only problem is that the company in which I work does everything very out of standard so I should create in increments of type 10mm from 100 to 1200 every kind of reinforcement possible in the iparts (for width) and idem in height from a minimum of 2200 to a maximum of approximately 3500, but would come a quantity of iparts and then iassembly enormous.
and this process would also be repeated for the roofs and every other component and I hoped there was a faster alternative to having to create 800 iparts "a priori".
But if there are no alternatives I will put to work!

I add another question:

when I make the table there is a way to make them write automatically on qtà "1" if it is the main axieme and instead on the successive table masses of the parts recall the quantity of pieces present in the together?
for example then you will have to return me to the main sheet qta:1
on the table of "horizontal reinforcement" qtà 3
"vertical reinforcement" qta 2 etc...

ps: ilogic I am trying to learn it, it is fantastic but I can only use it for very basic things, for example I did a script that starting it asks me the 3 measures of the side and applies it to the design but nothing exceptional

 

[windreef]

My only problem is that the company in which I work does everything very out of standard so I should create in increments of type 10mm from 100 to 1200 every kind of reinforcement possible in the iparts (for width) and idem in height from a minimum of 2200 to a maximum of approximately 3500, but would come a quantity of iparts and then iassembly enormous.
and this process would also be repeated for the roofs and every other component and I hoped there was a faster alternative to having to create 800 iparts "a priori".
But if there are no alternatives I will put to work!

I add another question:

when I make the table there is a way to make them write automatically on qtà "1" if it is the main axieme and instead on the successive table masses of the parts recall the quantity of pieces present in the together?
for example then you will have to return me to the main sheet qta:1
on the table of "horizontal reinforcement" qtà 3
"vertical reinforcement" qta 2 etc...

ps: ilogic I am trying to learn it, it is fantastic but I can only use it for very basic things, for example I did a script that starting it asks me the 3 measures of the side and applies it to the design but nothing exceptional

In this case you need ilogic but also that you have to set it up and I don't think it's so fast even knowing how to plan it, but sorry you don't have to do all possible combinations immediately, add them when you need them.

for separate quantities follows the quantities of the parts used in the axieme. in the tables of the individual parts the quantity must not be there, the separate components or the order of work, usually the latter.

 

[Luca A]

In this case you need ilogic but also that you have to set it up and I don't think it's so fast even knowing how to plan it, but sorry you don't have to do all possible combinations immediately, add them when you need them.

for separate quantities follows the quantities of the parts used in the axieme. in the tables of the individual parts the quantity must not be there, the separate components or the order of work, usually the latter.

I don't have to do all the combinations at once, but since there are many components in every design (not just flanked but so much, so much more) if then for each one I have to fix the iparts becomes very long and processing would probably go beyond the times that I have given myself

for the quantity instead yes, you are probably right but the workshop is accustomed to follow and produce the number of pieces that is reported on the sheet of the part without having to browse and recheck the assieme and therefore the holder wants so.

If someone could give me a direction to follow in that sense or a code like that I would be grateful, otherwise I will try to understand how to do as soon as I have managed to deepen ilogic

try to take a look at the iassembly

I'm still looking for a way to do what I want but nothing seems to work. . .
I tried something like this but apparently inventor doesn't want to know about it:

I created parameters on a set for width and thickness
I created plans with offsets from the original plans using created values
I created an adaptive reinforcement compared to the newly made plans
I turned into iassembly and set various test values, unfortunately however reinforcements lose adactivity when change configuration and not working

 

[Matteo Cappelli dis.CAD]

for quantity management, this is free and works very well

https://apps.autodesk.com/invntor/it/detail/index?id=6538586607773659444&applang=en&os=win64

 

[Luca A]

Thank you so much for the quantity tool, as soon as I can try it!

As for the official topic I think I'm on the good road, with the ilogic I found how to create a copy of the flank and every reinforcement with new measures without having to change piece by piece, now I just need to figure out if there is a way to keep certain folds "fixed" to a single file that modifies me one tomorrow all the copies if I needed it. I'll keep you updated.

 

[Luca A]

if you follow the road of the iassembly assuming you have 10 different sizes in width and 10 different sizes in height I should insert the 10 iparts for horizontal reinforcements and the 10 iparts for vertical reinforcements and then create all combinations of iassembly (i.e. 100 in this case) lighting only the parts I use and turning all the others or is there a different way?

Sorry but I'm going crazy producing so many different components and all with an infinite multitude of measures I need to find the fastest method to organize the work and for now every road I take leads to a blind alley. .

 

[windreef]

if you follow the road of the iassembly assuming you have 10 different sizes in width and 10 different sizes in height I should insert the 10 iparts for horizontal reinforcements and the 10 iparts for vertical reinforcements and then create all combinations of iassembly (i.e. 100 in this case) lighting only the parts I use and turning all the others or is there a different way?

Sorry but I'm going crazy producing so many different components and all with an infinite multitude of measures I need to find the fastest method to organize the work and for now every road I take leads to a blind alley. .

about the quantity management (post above) is a common mistake to many companies "of the old guard" , drawing , n° pieces what do you want to be to complicate your life? They said to me, the fact that just doing it if they complicate it. . .

In my opinion you should try with iassembly, a small one to see how it works and so you realize, it's not that you have to insert all 10 iparts, ipart is one per piece then the combinations you make as a table. Of course it takes more at the beginning because you have to set the iassembly structure, but with the 3d you have to have an overview and look forward, if every time you have to make a copy of the axieme and change the pieces, assuming 100 versions, at the end of the work you will have put much less with iassembly. It is true that if it were a very complex set with many parts, the iassembly setting could be very difficult.
a council, iassembly should be done in tranquility if it takes an hour (but also two or three) in addition we must be used otherwise risk of compromising all the work, if you, as I believe to intuit, work in a company where the owner is always there to ask you at what point you are? Do you? and encouraging phrases of the kind are you getting the stems? Well, forget it, you're gonna rock your liver for nothing. If that's how I understand why I've been there.

 

[Luca A]

about the quantity management (post above) is a common mistake to many companies "of the old guard" , drawing , n° pieces what do you want to be to complicate your life? They said to me, the fact that just doing it if they complicate it. . .

In my opinion you should try with iassembly, a small one to see how it works and so you realize, it's not that you have to insert all 10 iparts, ipart is one per piece then the combinations you make as a table. Of course it takes more at the beginning because you have to set the iassembly structure, but with the 3d you have to have an overview and look forward, if every time you have to make a copy of the axieme and change the pieces, assuming 100 versions, at the end of the work you will have put much less with iassembly. It is true that if it were a very complex set with many parts, the iassembly setting could be very difficult.
a council, iassembly should be done in tranquility if it takes an hour (but also two or three) in addition we must be used otherwise risk of compromising all the work, if you, as I believe to intuit, work in a company where the owner is always there to ask you at what point you are? Do you? and encouraging phrases of the kind are you getting the stems? Well, forget it, you're gonna rock your liver for nothing. If that's how I understand why I've been there.

However yes, currently I am already trying with iassembly, making every time a copy was not the solution. . .

As soon as I go a little forward, if anything, I'm going to make you a pair of iparts with imates to make an iassembly.
Thank you so much for both understanding and advice!

Unfortunately, yes, we work in the company with very reduced times. (What I'm "working" to the project to learn extra work every time I have time to dispose)

 

[windreef]

However yes, currently I am already trying with iassembly, making every time a copy was not the solution. . .

As soon as I go a little forward, if anything, I'm going to make you a pair of iparts with imates to make an iassembly.
Thank you so much for both understanding and advice!

Unfortunately, yes, we work in the company with very reduced times. (What I'm "working" to the project to learn extra work every time I have time to dispose)

In my opinion, imates with iparts and iassembly are not fundamental, so the parts enter them once only, then you have to work as a table.

Mr President, I should like to say that I am not in a position to vote in favour of this report. I haven't used them anymore for many years I feel like losing more time to make them than the benefit in use