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As requested by shiren and others, I open this new discussion about the idea of consorting our skills.

I was also asked to open a survey, tell me what questions to enter and do it.

according to me the basic prerequisites are:

- it must be a consortium (suggest another form if you think it best);
- it should be established whether the consortium should take care of only technical design and consultancy services or supplies (prints, prototypes and anything else);
- the consortium must have a single secretariat and commercial structure;
- who participates in the consortium must be able to demonstrate the regularity of their software licenses;
- the consortium will have initial and management costs, therefore it will be necessary to establish a fund for its operation;
- all decisions of the consortium are taken by an absolute majority (50%+1) of the members;

the goods sectors that come to my mind are:

naval, aeronautical and aerospace, energy (including renewables), architecture, furniture, automotive, public transport, motorcycling.

as productive technologies we can insert:
castings, moulds (wide from injection to funnel), rapid prototyping, sheeting (cnc cutting, dieping, molding), milling and turning, welding.

participate and suggest.
 
naval, aeronautical and aerospace, energy (including renewables), architecture, furniture, automotive, public transport, motorcycling
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....planning machines and automation for industry.
 
The idea is good. I think I'm a little desperate, but...
think of a business that goes to the customer and says "we do practically everything" and then to any question: "ehm... a moment I call the technician."

Perhaps it could be smarter than the consortium does to support the realities already present in it.
If I happen to take a job I don't understand much, but I know that in the consortium there are those who can, I take it, I manage it, I do the consortium work and I take a percentage.
It would seem more manageable, so as not to end... vabbé, let's forget.

the sayings are wasted:

"so many roosters never juorno" [quando ci sono troppi galli a cantare, non fa mai giorno]"Three masts gathered at the ferrera, and of cymbals struck the bell" [tre fabbri si riunirono in ferriera e colarono la campana di piombo]
 
Fulvio Romano said:
The idea is good. I think I'm a little desperate, but...
think of a business that goes to the customer and says "we do practically everything" and then to any question: "ehm... a moment I call the technician."
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I agree with lightning, it may seem desperate.
If I said I did everything, we're three cats, people would throw me out the door.

if you show up, We do 20 different things because we have 60 designers, the thing is standing.
Plus you would have the opportunity to approach large projects, which is impossible for a small design studio.

However we see how the discussion develops, then we will draw the line and see what will be the result.
 
That's a good idea.
I am now entering a consortium of companies (it is just in embryonic phase): It is not a thing that is done in 4 and 4 8, it must be thought well otherwise you make a big hole.
I'm still here.
 
gerod said:
That's a good idea.
I am now entering a consortium of companies (it is just in embryonic phase): It is not a thing that is done in 4 and 4 8, it must be thought well otherwise you make a big hole.
I'm still here.
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hi roberto, I'm glad you share this idea and I agree that it must be thought very well.

some of my considerations:

1) in Italy micro-enterprises are too many, it is not possible to continue thinking in terms of family-run company.
This involves an inability to invest in research and development, an excessive incidence of fixed costs due to the very small size.
we add the fact that when the environment is very small the exchange of information and knowledge is reduced to the minimum terms, if so many thinking heads collaborate can come out beautiful ideas and solutions and avoid monstrous cabbage, because you can find in the group who is down past from certain experiences.
2) union makes strength, banal phrase but always valid:
- together we can present ourselves to large companies;
- instead of 50 websites you can make one of great communication impact;
- you manage better on the territory and conomize on the trips, if I have a colleague to torino, he goes to talk to the fiat and I don't have to take 1000 km and 12 hours drive, I pay him the trouble and I saved a lot of time and money;
- you can give a full service to the customer and do an example, provide scans, quality modeling, prototyping and molds with only one reference ... has no price.
 
one of the advantages would also be that of the impact force: Now I often get lost jobs because 6,700 hours of design are required in a month. If one could form a working group, such proposals would be addressed.

one of the problems are the rates: I have a hard time getting 25 euros/h, and I know that some of my colleagues here on the forum for these figures don't even turn on the computer.
 
if there was need of a forging (or forging as they say in my parts...) I am there!...
 
cacciatorino said:
one of the advantages would also be that of the impact force: Now I often get lost jobs because 6,700 hours of design are required in a month. If one could form a working group, such proposals would be addressed.

one of the problems are the rates: I have a hard time getting 25 euros/h, and I know that some of my colleagues here on the forum for these figures don't even turn on the computer.
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We're gonna let you navigate to the worst seas. :smile:
 
The idea seems interesting, as gerod says must be thought well, I would add that it must be designed well and as in any project that you respect you need to undergo structural verification, perhaps even with a nice crash test. :rolleyes:

I propose a very first simple test to pass: what interest would I have as a study to become part of a consortium like this in respect to remain completely autonomous?

his counterpart: What are my obligations and responsibilities to the consortium?
 
The idea fascinates me. I would put on the plate this skills:

- mold design for plastic (prevalently for injection);
- drawing of sheet metal
 
cacciatorino said:
one of the advantages would also be that of the impact force: Now I often get lost jobs because 6,700 hours of design are required in a month. If one could form a working group, such proposals would be addressed.
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always that the other members of the consortium have more free time, unfortunately I happen to get to the evening without having exhausted the list of things to do.
cacciatorino said:
one of the problems are the rates: I have a hard time getting 25 euros/h, and I know that some of my colleagues here on the forum for these figures don't even turn on the computer.
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other times, those in which 60 hours were demanded and we were satisfied with 40.
 
PaoloColombani said:
The idea seems interesting, as gerod says must be thought well, I would add that it must be designed well and as in any project that you respect you need to undergo structural verification, perhaps even with a nice crash test. :rolleyes:

I propose a very first simple test to pass: what interest would I have as a study to become part of a consortium like this in respect to remain completely autonomous?

his counterpart: What are my obligations and responsibilities to the consortium?
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what interest you first tell us what you do (design is a generic definition).
If you are completely satisfied with what you do, you have few motivations to take such a speech.
If you plan to grow and manage larger projects, you will have the opportunity to present yourself completely differently to your customers.
If you are alone you can approach only certain customers, if you work in a group of dozens of professionals you can introduce yourself to whom you want.

for your obligations and responsibilities, we will have to deal with the subject.
 
hi max, I also feel the interesting thing.
For example, I could use it to expand, with the help of others, the potential of my office.
Let's talk about it.
 
Who can participate??? I think a minimum selection is mandatory.... who will choose the consortium's menbris??
 
maxopus said:
first tell us what you do (design is a generic definition).
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I design and manufacture models and tools for teaching and research and industry. my clients are the cnr, l'enea, infm, Istituto Ferraara ricerca, (I don't remember having ever turnover for infn) some spinoffs of these institutes, then within the industry I have those realities that are in my industrial district.
in general I plan and realize if they are small things, instead I plan only and follow realization if it is big things that are not there in my study-laboratory. among my achievements and projects in the industrial field there are automatic machines for special processing (number control milling), electric machines with permanent magnets, wind turbines (only blades and generators), hydraulic presses, quasi-machine components for plastic extrusion line (I can't say which), thermoplastic molds, lighting elements, ... I'm not finished and I'm already tired in soothing. ... follows product design from the most common to musical instrument accessories.
I'll stop it if I'm done with exhaustion. I only add that I like to shape complex shapes, unfortunately there are few jobs that require difficult surfaces, but I also fear that this last thing is what everyone would like to do.
I'll be out of the studio today.
 
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