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occupational path advice - mechanical engineer

cheetah

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Good morning to all,

Being a reader of this forum for a long time since I consider it one of the few good Italians in the technical field, I decided to register to actively participate in the community trying to make my contribution in the future.
I open this discussion because now more than ever I would need an important advice on what choice to take for 2023.

before starting though, My present: I am a young engineer always attracted by mechanical engineering and industrial/robotic automation. I started my studies in a technical institute that allowed me to begin ( fortunately) to lay the foundations that became my profession, then continuing for a five-year university course at a mechanical technical address, ending with the state examination. I am a boy with a dynamic and flexible character, I love to keep busy and do extra work, in leisure time I always try to do sports and maintain social relationships.
to date, I have an experience of about 2 years in mechanical design (industrial machinery, carpentry, dimensions..) but in recent months I'm noticing that this job is slightly tight as tasks, I would like to have more stimuli.
I am a person who aspires a transversal role in the company (as in my first job) and that put in contact with new different disciplines, I end up learning double. I don’t think it’s my being in a large company that often does the same business, while I know very well that there are people who prefer such a role.

coming to the center of the question, my “fame” of knowledge led me to meet a small company that operates in the field of Android special, where a person like me would be called to design systems and robotic islands in team starting from a blank sheet with “ad-hoc” solutions + support for the installation and installation of projects. since this company accepts also external collaborations, I would have the opportunity to start a career as a freelance engineer devoting to this company about 25-30 hours per week, while in the remaining time I already have someone who asks for availability for long-term collaborations. the main turnover would clearly prove from this company, which for me would be a “tutela” because the company is really interested in me, so much so that I also proposed a well paid intake.. The idea of a collaboration comes from me, so I can move outside the company and manage myself.

leaving the economic aspect of which I think is a consequence and not the focus at this moment, among the many reasons that push me to open p.iva (I am aware of the details, insurance, albo, costs, regimes and compliance... that I think more than favorable in flattering regime) is the flexibility and independence that would be created, the new stimuli that I would daily live. I know that if a company like the nasa came to ask me to design a shuttle I would not be up to my experience, but the company I would start working with would then be willing to train for a continuous collaboration.
(nb) from deontological code, I could not even accept assignments without having skills)

the alternative to this, would be to be directly assumed and grow within this company, probably covering in a short time the role of manager as the company is laying the foundations for structure.

just one last reflection: I think that in the worst case the return to dependent work is always possible. . the only thing is that opening p.iva before 30 years could be different than doing it at 45, when maybe on the shoulders I have expenses to deal with.

having given you a general picture of my situation, given your experiences, how would you see it?

Thank you so much in advance
 
beyond all the speeches that will punctually be made about the difficulties that professionals have in Italy, how they do not gain etc. the only limit that I see in you as "entrepreneur" is the poor experience.
with the company in question you would cover only a part of the hours per week, putting you in a situation of uncertainty, because this number of hours can be guaranteed only "in voice", as far as it can be worth. You could find yourself from day to day with reduced hours, and you should compensate for other jobs. and here, I think, is your limit, finding companies willing to entrust an important part of the work as design to an engineer who can be brilliant until you want but lack of experience I don't know how easy it is.
 
ciao @tecnomodel, thank you so much for the answer.

You're right about this, the experience could really be a limit. and if I told you that this company is of my acquaintance, and that I also realized with them a number of occasional performances that make "scattare" some mutual interest?
they would need an employee, so I would definitely also have the opportunity to lend up to 36 hours per week (I would like not to exceed this value for having space for more). .
if even in 2 years I wanted to get back from the profession, here I can do it. .

What do you think?

Thank you!
 
I think you should start working in this company as an employee,
learn the job, the environment to know the people with whom you have to collaborate and collaborate with you, for personal experience I learned that it is difficult to grow and to have good relations in the company if you are not present daily, the problems the discussions and the decisions will often be taken in your absence, so if you believe in this company you take, you are present and invest your time in a growth once you gain skills and role you will be able to start talking with the advantageous company
this especially if the company is also growing and organizing.
 
cheetah said:
ciao @tecnomodel, thank you so much for the answer.

You're right about this, the experience could really be a limit. and if I told you that this company is of my acquaintance, and that I also realized with them a number of occasional performances that make "scattare" some mutual interest?
they would need an employee, so I would definitely also have the opportunity to lend up to 36 hours per week (I would like not to exceed this value for having space for more). .
if even in 2 years I wanted to get back from the profession, here I can do it. .

What do you think?

Thank you!
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It remains the unknown of the future, if one tomorrow things did not go just as they had predicted you would find yourself with a reduced clock, with all the consequences of the case.
there is then all part of equipment, licenses, training, etc. that you should support as a freelancer, who would cover these expenses?
I agree with you. Your emails, I would start as an employee and experience me, possibly you can think of doing occasional performance in parallel so you can start getting acquainted and create your own park.
It considers, however, that this road is not very easy, succeeding in establishing new relationships while full-time work is far from easy.
 
Thank you. Your emails for the answer.

Perhaps you're right, letting me hire, I'd be an integral part of the company by acquiring more and more responsibility.
the thing that makes me think for a moment is that, if in 1-2 years of p.iva I wanted to get hired by this company, I can do it; on the contrary, yes but with billing limits. .
 
I would shock you to open p.iva no matter what, most of all if you end up being monoclient. . .
the fact that the company in question is of acquaintances/friends/parents counts little, when there is the business the only thing that counts is the money cynicism...you could find yourself with the open p.iva and without customers, then they would be pains considering the massacre of taxes to which are subjected the p.iva in Italy.
if you really want to be an entrepreneur of yourself, at least try to create a network with 3-4 reliable companies like potential customers.
 
cheetah said:
the thing that makes me think for a moment is that, if in 1-2 years of p.iva I wanted to get hired by this company, I can do it;
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I think it's easier than in one or two years you lose the company, I think it's just my opinion.
cheetah said:
on the contrary, yes but with billing limits. .
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in Italy the laws on this subject often vary the limits perhaps they are moving them just as I write to you and in any case I think that if the company is interested a valid solution you find.
stevie said:
more reason if you end up being monoclient. . .
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attention that especially for new games that do not have a history of different customers, being single customer could be seen from finance as a disguised intake with serious economic relapses both for you and for the company. with electronic billing, they already notice it in the first year.
 
Good morning to all, thanks for the continuous feedback.

I also consider the employee's alternative, clearly this binds me more to the company and "outside" I will not be able to move more than once with the occasional performance.
Your emails , I've been well informed by accountants and consultants. the phenomenon you're talking about is true and it's called a fake game iva, where you have only one client. if there are elements that induce the authorities to think of a form of subordination, then they force the company to hire you. However, if you already have at least 2 customers, if you are a professional enrolled in an albo, if invoices are not monthly equal but go to projects etc... If the working hours are decided independently, they are all elements that move away from the presumption of subordination. of course on these concepts are written manual, the boundaries of these are "labile" and depend on the person in front of evaluation. .
 
I work in p.iva and sincerely I feel good for the speech of the flexibility of hours (*).
take account of the problem of the circulating capital: you will have to anticipate several expenses (mainly software licenses and your livelihood) while the first money will take you six months after starting work. the workflow typically provides that you have to finish the job and then make the invoice, and wait for the 60 days dffm which then magically become 75-80. you can also find the customer who pays you 30% on the order (of course always 60 days dffm) but it's a very rare situation.

* = I actually have two-year-old employees who produce income even when I'm busy making a pope'-sitter or I'm riding a bike for the Appennine :roflmao:
 
It's not easy to give advice, so I speak for myself.
If I had to find myself in your condition, as already expressed by the posts of those who preceded me, I would be hired by the company, I would do experience and according to how the situation evolves later you can always decide whether to remain dependent or do the "salt" as an entrepreneur of yourself with all pros and cons, you are young, intelligent and dynamic follow your "intuitions"!
 
PIETRO2002 said:
It's not easy to give advice, so I speak for myself.
If I had to find myself in your condition, as already expressed by the posts of those who preceded me, I would be hired by the company, I would do experience and according to how the situation evolves later you can always decide whether to remain dependent or do the "salt" as an entrepreneur of yourself with all pros and cons, you are young, intelligent and dynamic follow your "intuitions"!
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It's super real what you said, and I'm convinced that this is the right round.. gain experience, skills then (you know never in the future) start your own business or remain as a figure of responsibility within.

the point is: and if I had the certainty (although with in own you never mention certainties) that this company treated me as an employee as it is very small in size, giving me advice and making me acquire experience for the next 2 years at least.. Would you not try to "put yourself in your own" ? in flattering regime the costs are not so high. .
probably doing only 10-15 extra hours at the 30-32 provided with this company, I do not arrive very far from the turnover limit of 65k imposed by the flat regime. Even if I repeat, this is a consequence for me, I do not care to earn twice as much as I gain now as an employee, the target and do things well, if I am good then I will ask for a proper compensation.

Are they all wrong in your opinion?
 
cheetah said:
It's super real what you said, and I'm convinced that this is the right round.. gain experience, skills then (you know never in the future) start your own business or remain as a figure of responsibility within.

the point is: and if I had the certainty (although with in own you never mention certainties) that this company treated me as an employee as it is very small in size, giving me advice and making me acquire experience for the next 2 years at least.. Would you not try to "put yourself in your own" ? in flattering regime the costs are not so high. .
probably doing only 10-15 extra hours at the 30-32 provided with this company, I do not arrive very far from the turnover limit of 65k imposed by the flat regime. Even if I repeat, this is a consequence for me, I do not care to earn twice as much as I gain now as an employee, the target and do things well, if I am good then I will ask for a proper compensation.

Are they all wrong in your opinion?
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not reason incorrectly, consider that probably the lump sum limit will rise to 85 k...
 
Thank you all for contributing to the discussion. I will try to make my arguments and take a path only after thinking about it well.

only those who stand still, never wrong.

thanks to all
 

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