use blocks and block table

[ApeGana]

Hello, everyone.
to make a series of hydraulic fitting schemes mounted on our groups, I was thinking (instead of modeling all fittings in 3d and assembling them on the totals) to draw simplified silhouettes in 2d as blocks to assign code and description as properties to be recalled on the separate parts (which in this case would be the block table).
I never used that system and tried to look for something here on the forum to get a little deeper before I decided, but I didn't find anything.

Is there someone using this kind of approach?

in particular the first two questions that have arisen are these:

1. in the creation of the database of blocks / fittings, I see that to create a new one is not enough copy/paste of one already created and rename it because the name is not editable; you need after copying/paste unlocking it and redefining the top block, which makes you waste time. Did I run?
2. I see that the blocks could be stored all within a single dft used as a "magazzino", or vice versa create a different dft to contain each new block/symbol/ragreement I must represent.
   What is the most convenient way?

 

[Be_on_edge]

Is there someone using this kind of approach?

I also use it for hydraulic schemes but I create the list.

in particular the first two questions that have arisen are these:

1. in the creation of the database of blocks / fittings, I see that to create a new one is not enough copy/paste of one already created and rename it because the name is not editable; you need after copying/paste unlocking it and redefining the top block, which makes you waste time. Did I run?
2. I see that the blocks could be stored all within a single dft used as a "magazzino", or vice versa create a different dft to contain each new block/symbol/ragreement I must represent.
   What is the most convenient way?

1. I don't think of it at the moment, but if the block has a different name, I also imagine it's different, so you still have to unlock it for the change.
2. definitely having a unique dft with many blocks is the best solution, both for use during the creation of the schemes, and for possible maintenance\modification to the blocks.

ciao

 

[ApeGana]

Thank you!

I'm trying, I'm not sure how to do this yet.

 

[zeigs]

Bye. I've been using them for the plumbing patterns for not so long and I'm mouthing at it. at the moment the most convenient way I found is to create the symbol block, give it a sign that makes it quick to find in the library, in the properties of the block put the description, and inside it put a block label to which I will assign the component code, and any other features that I want to make appear in the schema or table. the blocks then rallies them in the library, which is nothing but a dft that contains them.
In this way all graphically identical blocks have the same name and description, and with code I customize them, type for pressure or flow.
then in the block table I show the fields that interest me
when inserting the block into the schema is automatically risked to fill the fields that match the block labels, with default value those of the block inside the library

 

[ApeGana]

thanks for the suggestions.

I at the moment, after a few tests done I am orienting myself differently: I decided to make a different dft for each component with only one block inside.
this basically for two reasons.
the first is that it seems easier to do the search for the component that I need from exploring windows resources rather than from the block library; and when a dft contains only one block it is very convenient to "transport" into another dft.
the second is that it seems to me a more consistent approach with what we use for all other pieces, i.e. 1 code corresponds a 1 file.

I am now applying to the creation of the block/dft database, and I am doing it as excel through a size/property table and a macro.

I have a question for programmers:

to value this property,
if I writeobjdoc.blocks.item(1).attributesets.item(1).item(1).value = codiceIt works, but I thought I knew it was working.objdoc.blocks.item(1).attributesets.item(1).item("codice").value = codiceand instead it makes me mistake.
What's wrong?

Matteo

 

[ApeGana]

Good morning, everyone.
I went ahead with the project, I created the symbol database and now I'm doing some evidence to format the draft table and to generate a suitable template for the patterns we will achieve. the result so far meets me enough.

what I don't understand is in what order the system checks the location in the block table.
in the example below the symbols I placed them in order from left to right; the list of active document blocks respects this order; instead the ball is assigned in an order that I cannot understand; It is neither the order of insertion, nor the alphabetical order of the names of the blocks.
Does anyone have any idea what order it is and if in any way it can be changed (without forceing each ball by hand)?

Matteo.

 

[Be_on_edge]

should be controllable in the same way as the list parts

 

[ApeGana]

Meanwhile thank you for the answer.
Maybe I explained badly: I know that setting and I've already set it according to the position (i.e. object number).
what I do not understand is in what order the object number is assigned to the various blocks that are inserted in the draft.
when working with the 3d if not mistaken, the numbering of the balls follows the order of insertion of the details in the assemblies.
I can't understand it here; Every block I add takes a number that seems random.
the very uncomfortable thing is that if for example I already have 10 blocks inserted, numbered from 1 to 10 and insert one eleventh at times takes a theoretically already occupied number and renumbers the successive.
among other things the option "renumer entries/pallining according to order choice" the diasilitated hold.

 

[Be_on_edge]

I never investigated how the object number is assigned if the order is delegated to it; I always thought it was the user to number the parts to please.

for how work I go to order the parts always according to the code part in increasing order.

 

[ApeGana]

Good morning.
I still ask you help to understand if the behavior I described in the last post is a bug and if it was corrected in some later version of if. I am still at st8 for the moment.

allego 2 files: it's about trying to add in the 01 file the block that is inside the 02 file and then update the block table by selecting it, clicking onand then accepting.

to me the new added block takes position 1 and the already present blocks are refreshed (this is exactly what I would like to avoid by adding a new block).
Do you tell me if he does that to you?

 

[Be_on_edge]

following your steps on if 2020 is added to position 4

 

[Be_on_edge]

I have a doubt, have you already checked this table option?

 

[ApeGana]

Yes, I keep it unflavored (that's why I was doubtful that it was a bug).
if I flag the negative aspect is not resolved and it is no longer possible to force the numbering

 

[Be_on_edge]

Yes, I keep it unflavored (that's why I was doubtful that it was a bug).
if I flag the negative aspect is not resolved and it is no longer possible to force the numbering

then maybe it is a bug never solved of the st8, as I said about if 2020 seems to work properly.

 

[ApeGana]

I need to install an updated version on a machine and make some more extensive evidence.
Thank you very much for your help.

 

[ApeGana]

I installed if 2020: gives me the same problem!!!? ? ? ? ?

what can depend on? from the geographical position? from my proximity to the pc? from a macumba?
Oh, my God. .

 

[Be_on_edge]

I have just tried again and now it also fits me in position 1 o_o

Trying a second time and putting it in position 3

 

[ApeGana]

so no metaphysical or parapsychological influences.... I am relieved (just!)
Do you think there are extremes to open a ticket? Are there hopes for you to get something?

 

[Be_on_edge]

so no metaphysical or parapsychological influences.... I am relieved (just!)
Do you think there are extremes to open a ticket? Are there hopes for you to get something?

as first step I would ask in the forum of siemens, maybe someone already has the answer.

 

[ApeGana]

https://community.sw.siemens.com/s/topic/0to4o000000mihiwac/solid-edgeDid I intend questo forum?