coast concordia and cheerful

[maxopus]

I don't know if it's worth restoring a ship that has suffered such damage.
it is not so much the squarcio, as the flood that has compromised motors, electric plants (it speaks of 3000 km of cables), computer systems and navigation, furnishings, services, kitchens, restaurants.
I don't know how much it costs to disassemble all the damaged material and reassemble it.
and without any competence, I think more likely a scrap than a recovery.

115.000 tons for 7 cents per kilo... recover 7-8 million in ferrous and good night scrap.

 

[GiGa]

...but the passengers don't know, so they're going up quietly:finger:

the passengers will not know, but the company has noticed very well... and who knows if he can support the 3/4 billion damage (if not more) of the first estimates. Of course, we are talking about the biggest company in the world, I think, and there will be insurance compensations, but it is still a nice bang.. .

yesterday the a.d. already pavented a replacement unit to build. . We hope at least that the contract will remain a fincantieri. . .

 

[MBT]

I don't know if it's worth restoring a ship that has suffered such damage.
it is not so much the squarcio, as the flood that has compromised motors, electric plants (it speaks of 3000 km of cables), computer systems and navigation, furnishings, services, kitchens, restaurants.
I don't know how much it costs to disassemble all the damaged material and reassemble it.
and without any competence, I think more likely a scrap than a recovery.

115.000 tons for 7 cents per kilo... recover 7-8 million in ferrous and good night scrap.

is a hypothesis.. .
It is necessary to make a dispassionate calculation, between how much it costs to put it in place and how much it costs to build a new one by deducting the "voicing" of the demolition.

Could it also be (exatem will correct the error) that you can reuse for other purposes? merchants or mixed transport goods-persons?

 

[Fulvio Romano]

But doesn't it take more crap to change a ship's name?

only if no jobs are done. if the name change happens after some work doesn't suck. At least, this says the oral tradition, but I have never scientifically verified it.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Could it also be (exatem will correct the error) that you can reuse for other purposes? merchants or mixed transport goods-persons?

with a metre metacentric radius? It's practically a floating ball!

 

[MBT]

only if no jobs are done. if the name change happens after some work doesn't suck. At least, this says the oral tradition, but I have never scientifically verified it.

have you scientifically verified that the unbroken bottle is worthless? :biggrin:
and, about the bottle, the tradition specifies the wine contained in it and the thickness of the glass, in addition to its hardness? ? ? ?

 

[MBT]

with a metre metacentric radius? It's practically a floating ball!

What's important is that you're running and moving... the rest is combined:biggrin:

 

[myface]

115.000 tons for 7 cents per kilo...

I buy it for 7 cents per kilo:biggrin:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

have you scientifically verified that the unbroken bottle is worthless? :biggrin:
and, about the bottle, the tradition specifies the wine contained in it and the thickness of the glass, in addition to its hardness? ? ? ?

But I think there's something real at the bottom of all these beliefs.
the launch of a ship is a rather delicate operation, and everything should be designed ad hoc. if something goes wrong during the varo means that people have made mistakes, and therefore that probably something went wrong even during the construction.

I don't know, maybe it's just an extreme attempt to cling to the rally.

 

[enri]

if they empty it I think that having the steel structure already made, even if to repair for the squarcio, it costs less than to do it again.

 

[Oldwarper]

That doesn't mean anything. :smile:
Sure, "testing" a person for the command of a ship is certainly not like to do the examination of the driving license, but if between a visit and the other for the driver's license (10 years) something happens to you (sortness, decrease view, worsening of physical conditions etc etc.), you make an accident and leaves the pens someone you can give in toto the fault to those who declared you "honey driving"?

According to me, given for good the hypothesis of responsibility of the commander, it was simply the usual "brave" to Italian.
That's it.
"They all do it."
"what do you want it to be"
...
Until things go wrong.

There's a protocol.
hopefully it was not written by imbeciles and/or mentally ill.
must be respected: without "if" and without "but" except emergency situations (which: ship in avaria -> you try to make it beach if there is an island nearby)

That's funny.

But is it possible that onboard systems allow these ingenious raises? Wouldn't it take a procedure like "breaking seals at the helm" when you want to enter dangerous areas?

on the airbus the onboard computer prevents you from pulling the flaps to level to tear the wings, why on ships like that?

on the fly-by-wire planes obviously it is impossible to bypass the computer and the servoassistite pilots, but the "alternate-mode" is always available and allows you to tear away the planes of the tail as in the bus crashed into the Atlantic because of the faulty pitots or to make it stand with impossible manoeuvres, because the computer goes well, but when it has contradictory information does not turn out and says

ships are even worse. in the port and undercoast the "manual" is of obligation, also because at every port an officer of the port himself climbs on board to indicate the channel of entry (exa will be more precise, I am a plainer, I...) and take the ship to the pier without opening it as a draft on the rocks. It's impressive how they "talk" these beasts by leaning against the pier's parabords with the delicacy of a butterfly... You can't even feel deceleration when they go to full compression. . .

as for the captain's unbelief... I think it was a challenge between the various commanders to "who goes closer", the stupid goliardic ones that go well and nobody talks about it until the tragedy happens...

and it's not our prerogative. . .
remember the tragedy of cermis... a racing driver, from a real "ammerican boy" who competes with others to those who pass under the cable car... The rest you remember... under that cable car I pass every year and I can't understand how a hunt can pass without touching the tragedy by hitting the cables or crashing on the underlying road.

then returned home they promoted him. . .

Chissa', next time you'll touch a carrier...!!!:finger:

 

[maxopus]

I buy it for 7 cents per kilo:biggrin:

is +/- the price of scrap :-\

 

[maxopus]

if they empty it I think that having the steel structure already made, even if to repair for the squarcio, it costs less than to do it again.

It is a complex evaluation, it can be said that the costs of dismantling unusable works + 70 meters of keel are higher than the cost of making the steel structure.
in parentheses on ships like that I think that you work partially open hull, working closed hull could be a delusion.
I leave the judgement to those who understand something.

 

[Tequila]

today for tg they made feel part of the phone call between sketch and the port captain. I put the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odzeb9gmhsqthe captain of the port captain kicked his ass like a house, rightly. I wonder if this skewer captain made the selections to the great brother to become captain of a ship. ridiculous! !

 

[maxopus]

today for tg they made feel part of the phone call between sketch and the port captain. I put the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odzeb9gmhsqthe captain of the port captain kicked his ass like a house, rightly. I wonder if this skewer captain made the selections to the great brother to become captain of a ship. ridiculous! !

It's the classic case of those who have committed a huge caxxata, and looking for an appellation or justification, panicked, he recounts as a 5-year-old boy.

 

[Oldwarper]

It's the classic case of those who have committed a huge caxxata, and looking for an appellation or justification, panicked, he recounts as a 5-year-old boy.

No, the five-year-old girl had already noticed that the ship had something wrong... as he asked why all the glasses were tilted, and the dad was even more scared, trying to reconsider her. . :frown::frown:

I wonder, you, officer on the second deck while everything sounds like a nightclub between ball pump alarms, crazy flooding sensors, offline motors, electrical systems in cloths, emergency bulkheads, your unretired commander who calls to chissacchi and does not fall on the bridge and does not decide anything while the coast guard asks you possibly "what is happening on board?"

or perhaps, if it were confirmed that the first to rescue were the crew, it was only a pack of "topes" put in charge of a ship...:angry:

Perhaps they are just reasonings of the "left of the then" of those who, even more serious, are not in the middle, but in some cases the "procedures" should be read and executed "in the letter", like the checklists of the planes.. .

 

[francescodue]

I've always wondered why I spend money on a ship that's taking me off?
who goes on a cruise is practically always on board.
At this point I take a ship without engines and arrange the real cruise.
It definitely costs me less and I enjoy the same.

on this ideum I thought: empty the tanks of the concordia, the straightening, the raspberries for good and the rivet of fake rocks. at the end I organize guided tours or real estate cruises. I think it makes a lot of sense as tourism.

other thought, without wanting to offend and respect the dead: tourists have not read the book well. in braille it was written that among the escapes was included the shipwreck.

 

[Oldwarper]

a question like that... from the tone of de falco to sketch... Guys, what a... ! ! !
From the hierarchical point of view, how does the commander of a ship position himself with respect to the operating commander of the Coast Guard?

 

[Tequila]

It's the classic case of those who have committed a huge caxxata, and looking for an appellation or justification, panicked, he recounts as a 5-year-old boy.

Okay, did you make the biggest caxxata in life? You made it in your pants and the hardest one was like oil? I'm fine, but since you're an officer and to become such you attended an academy that I don't think it's like going to middle schools in the province, you'll have a certain discipline and at least should have had cold blood and take the situation to limit the damage, not physical of the ship, but that of the safety of passengers and crew.
But he seemed like a schoolboy who was questioned by the professor and he doesn't know what to say.

They talk that it risks up to 15 years in prison, for me are few, because knowing how our country is, it goes to end that it makes 1/3 and then when it comes they call it to the TV as an expert or worse still send it to the island of the famous... [Bleep]

 

[Tequila]

a question like that... from the tone of de falco to sketch... Guys, what a... ! ! !
From the hierarchical point of view, how does the commander of a ship position himself with respect to the operating commander of the Coast Guard?

We wait for the exatem friend who will more technically enlighten us the hierarchy.