coast concordia and cheerful

[Tequila]

I had not heard before the communication between the defalco commander (this must be written:wink and sketch (can we write it all tiny? )[youtube]1vkiwkmo_8[/youtube]Since what happened, I would say that I join the team of those who support the dick theory straight into the teeth, flanked by a kick on the opposite side of the butt...:angry:

I had put the link today on this thread... However as I wrote on facesbouk to him I would not command even a pedal

 

[riccardot5765]

since the commander declares the abandonment, having had to leave the ship last, the wreck is subject to the actions of the port captain, that therefore assumes, so to speak, the command. from that moment, however, it is not a matter of command of a unit, but of coordination of the rescues, that it belongs precisely to the captainship of port.

I would just like to make a general statement about whether or not a commander is competent, but not referring to the specific case. you start at the boat from which you come out with the title of official student. after a total period of 18 months of boarding, of which at least 6 registered as a student, you are aspiring captain of long course or in jargon you are in possession of the license. already now you can be boarded as 3rd or 2nd official and in the smaller companies also as 1st. the qualification of boarding is at the discretion of the shipowner. but usually also to board as the first officer, and however to be captain of long course, it takes a further qualification, the license. This is a quite complex examination and can be done after a further 30 months of actual navigation, i.e. when they have total 48. after another 10 years the title of superior captain of long course is followed. During these months you have to do some courses, such as the basic one of rescue and vogue, which release certificates. I don't know who of you did some of these courses, but they're really ridiculous yet they're in charge.
returning to a sketch, I would not say therefore that the coast assumes imbeciles, how much that the titles to become official via higher degree are linked rather to the time spent on board.

 

[Tequila]

since the commander declares the abandonment, having had to leave the ship last, the wreck is subject to the actions of the port captain, that therefore assumes, so to speak, the command. from that moment, however, it is not a matter of command of a unit, but of coordination of the rescues, that it belongs precisely to the captainship of port.

I would just like to make a general statement about whether or not a commander is competent, but not referring to the specific case. you start at the boat from which you come out with the title of official student. after a total period of 18 months of boarding, of which at least 6 registered as a student, you are aspiring captain of long course or in jargon you are in possession of the license. already now you can be boarded as 3rd or 2nd official and in the smaller companies also as 1st. the qualification of boarding is at the discretion of the shipowner. but usually also to board as the first officer, and however to be captain of long course, it takes a further qualification, the license. This is a quite complex examination and can be done after a further 30 months of actual navigation, i.e. when they have total 48. after another 10 years the title of superior captain of long course is followed. During these months you have to do some courses, such as the basic one of rescue and vogue, which release certificates. I don't know who of you did some of these courses, but they're really ridiculous yet they're in charge.
returning to a sketch, I would not say therefore that the coast assumes imbeciles, how much that the titles to become official via higher degree are linked rather to the time spent on board.

the only experience I have of ships is the wooden model that I am building of a fishing boat and watching TV the america cup competitions.
I can say that the coast of the cruises has no fault because it can certainly not predict that a wandering mine can be hidden between its organic.
if then as you say to have "the driver's license" is enough on this I can not discuss, because the same identical thing can be said that often and willingly they are released driver's licenses also to those who do not deserve it, as well as flight certificates (I can say it by experience), but certainly not being able to predict the future this is not possible precisely to ascertain it before.

the ship has not sunk for a technical problem or an unpredictable event, but only for a monstrous caxxata of its commander, and for this reason it can not put back the name of a company and all the people who thanks it live, otherwise if it were so should have already closed all the car manufacturers of the world as they would have allowed the sale to motorists who in the future would turn out to be alcoholic/drugged or otherwise mad at the wheel.

 

[riccardot5765]

You have a driver's license with nothing, just navigate. the driver's license is an exam and however having the license means having done at least 48 months of actual navigation. but the problem is always the same: lack control and verification. When you go to the license exam, you should make sure that you are able to manoeuvre, you know the rules (normatives, procedures and protocols), still have a certain attitude to the command. all this does not happen. I know several people who boarded, many of whom started inscribing to sea people with me even though I never boarded because at the last I changed my mind, and you know what tasks they have? all first officer with driver's license. One of these tried to take it more than once and then go to do it seems like ancone, where it seems to be particularly accommodating. moral of the fairy tale, technically he lacks little to be superior commander.

 

[Exatem]

since the commander declares the abandonment, having had to leave the ship last, the wreck is subject to the actions of the port captain, that therefore assumes, so to speak, the command. from that moment, however, it is not a matter of command of a unit, but of coordination of the rescues, that it belongs precisely to the captainship of port.

I would just like to make a general statement about whether or not a commander is competent, but not referring to the specific case. you start at the boat from which you come out with the title of official student. after a total period of 18 months of boarding, of which at least 6 registered as a student, you are aspiring captain of long course or in jargon you are in possession of the license. already now you can be boarded as 3rd or 2nd official and in the smaller companies also as 1st. the qualification of boarding is at the discretion of the shipowner. but usually also to board as the first officer, and however to be captain of long course, it takes a further qualification, the license. This is a quite complex examination and can be done after a further 30 months of actual navigation, i.e. when they have total 48. after another 10 years the title of superior captain of long course is followed. During these months you have to do some courses, such as the basic one of rescue and vogue, which release certificates. I don't know who of you did some of these courses, but they're really ridiculous yet they're in charge.
returning to a sketch, I would not say therefore that the coast assumes imbeciles, how much that the titles to become official via higher degree are linked rather to the time spent on board.

You have a driver's license with nothing, just navigate. the driver's license is an exam and however having the license means having done at least 48 months of actual navigation. but the problem is always the same: lack control and verification. When you go to the license exam, you should make sure that you are able to manoeuvre, you know the rules (normatives, procedures and protocols), still have a certain attitude to the command. all this does not happen. I know several people who boarded, many of whom started inscribing to sea people with me even though I never boarded because at the last I changed my mind, and you know what tasks they have? all first officer with driver's license. One of these tried to take it more than once and then go to do it seems like ancone, where it seems to be particularly accommodating. moral of the fairy tale, technically he lacks little to be superior commander.

the iter to become commander is what I indicated here:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=252861&postcount=36and it is also true that to take the nautical driver's license there is no need to be phenomena.

 

[riccardot5765]

Look, it's like what I wrote, which is then taken from the site of a naval institution. The point is that it draws it, however long, is not at all difficult. I repeat that I know several people, enrolled 15 years ago to sea people with me, that you wouldn't give them a sorrentine gozzo. and yet they have the rank of first officer. Just ask some people to find out that the real driver's license (I don't say the nautical driver's license) is bought.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I just want to make a statement. the difference between the license of the car and that of the "boat", whether it is smaller ship or cruise ship.

the driver's license is a "guide agent" or a certificate that allows driving the vehicle. that marina is a "command empowerment agency" or a certificate that allows you to assume civil and criminal responsibility of your choices made on board any floating medium where someone is not present with a greater degree of their own.

I don't know if the difference is clear.

 

[riccardot5765]

I didn't even refer to the nautical driver's license, which is quite different from that car. I was referring to the "patient", that is, the one who generally calls himself so, which is then the ability to pass by grade.
because you can take the exam for this skill. a very little friend of mine, in fact we call it malefix or vicienzo 3 c, and is enabled. I think that in that situation he would not even have been able to say a word impunity on the first consonant, yet he can be boarded as commander.

 

[Tequila]

I just want to make a statement. the difference between the license of the car and that of the "boat", whether it is smaller ship or cruise ship.

the driver's license is a "guide agent" or a certificate that allows driving the vehicle. that marina is a "command empowerment agency" or a certificate that allows you to assume civil and criminal responsibility of your choices made on board any floating medium where someone is not present with a greater degree of their own.

I don't know if the difference is clear.

the difference is clear, my intervention was only to punctuate that the coast of cruises has no fault in this regard, the problem was not of the ship but welcome from a maneuver of a Commander I guess it wasn't supposed to be done.

he has to take all the responsibilities and if there are other officers who have wrong they also have to pay, but already we are seeing how it works in Italy... They put him under house arrest.

 

[maxopus]

in fact the situation could be the same as the car license.
How many people take their driver's license or even pay?
I remember that it was so already in my time, I took it as a privatist and it was really hard, for the paying ones coming from the driving school was a game or a little more.
this is Italian beauty and who has a license and is an imbecile can be equally dangerous ... as we can daily see on our roads.

 

[cacciatorino]

the difference is clear, my intervention was only to punctuate that the coast of cruises has no fault in this regard, the problem was not of the ship but welcome from a maneuver of a Commander I guess it wasn't supposed to be done.

I really think the company should watch over the people to whom it entrusts a ship from 500 million and 4500 people. It is not that a person's choice rather than another is an external factor to the company's choice.

If an airline chooses what has passed under the cermis cable car as a line pilot, would you climb? I don't.

now costs must pay the price of not being able to select the staff to whom to entrust the most important assignments.

 

[Oldwarper]

Two questions from such ideas, but not confirmed.
1) the cruise coast should have a system of control of the routes of the ships that if they differ from that communicated and authorized by the company itself warns "any".
2) the ship to carry out the maneuvering has executed what in jargon is said to "turn on the anchor", that is to throw the anchor and turn the ship by making pivot on the chain with the drunk? Isn't it a manoeuvre at the limit of structural impairment, apart from the violent contraction to the ship? possible that no one was thrown on the ground during the manoeuvre?

 

[Exatem]

Two questions from such ideas, but not confirmed.
1) the cruise coast should have a system of control of the routes of the ships that if they differ from that communicated and authorized by the company itself warns "any".
2) the ship to carry out the maneuvering has executed what in jargon is said to "turn on the anchor", that is to throw the anchor and turn the ship by making pivot on the chain with the drunk? Isn't it a manoeuvre at the limit of structural impairment, apart from the violent contraction to the ship? possible that no one was thrown on the ground during the manoeuvre?

from the latest news it seems that the "head" is not a consequence of having given birth to the anchors but that it was a natural evolution of the accident. So there's no merit in that.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

from the latest news it seems that the "head" is not a consequence of having given birth to the anchors but that it was a natural evolution of the accident. So there's no merit in that.

But with the thrusters? How do you make such a narrow curve? or perhaps it seems so from simulations, but is reality different?

 

[Erikilrosso]

if the ship has given ground and to rotate so (the bow is on the opposite side to that of the course followed) should have done it with the anchor of babordo, how come from the photos and the movies do not see traces of the chain or of the signs that the chain could have left on the hull?
If he had built up both contemporary anchors at that speed maybe he would have discarded the bow?
What do you mean by natural evolution of the accident?
if the ship was drifting what made it rotate 180°? The shock?
would he continue to climb on the rocks after the port?
Do you think, then, that the official results of the reconstruction of the incident will be made public?

 

[MBT]

If an airline chooses what has passed under the cermis cable car as a line pilot, would you climb? I don't.

Well, when you get on board the plane, they don't tell you the pilot's resume... You just know the name.

However, the ship is always the usual lucky ones.
a plane commander can't leave the vehicle if he's in the air. and if he does, no one can shout to him "torniabbordo, caxxo!":biggrin:

 

[maxopus]

Can't it be that the bow "turned" on the cliff a few meters deep and did it as a fulcrum?

 

[MBT]

But if it were true... given the ship's stazza, I think the bow would be visibly damaged...

 

[Oldwarper]

But with the thrusters? How do you make such a narrow curve? or perhaps it seems so from simulations, but is reality different?

behind it does not have thrusters but uses the azipods, which if rotated and sent to all force along with the thrusters in front could be able to do something like that, but with the compromised machine room I do not know if there was enough power.

By the way, he still had the stabilizers all outside, I have other dementia if you walk near the rocks, or maybe he kicked them out hoping to stabilize the ship after the crash... Anyway, there shouldn't have been anyhow.

 

[Oldwarper]

But if it were true... given the ship's stazza, I think the bow would be visibly damaged...

You can't see how the bulb is. the bow the water sees it right so, en passant, more than anything in these ships makes "scene", very beautiful to see so spinning when you are on the port. It doesn't have the appearance of a barge or a boat of the mississippi what it is...:biggrin: