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coast concordia and cheerful

Have you ever bumped, even with a cruise boat, against a rock?
If he had hit the bow, even at low speed, I think the bow would have noticed the mass of the ship.
 
I didn't mean a front bump, think of the bulb that meets crawling the bottom tilted until it points on it, at that point the stern rolls in rotation.
 
I really think the company should watch over the people to whom it entrusts a ship from 500 million and 4500 people. It is not that a person's choice rather than another is an external factor to the company's choice.

If an airline chooses what has passed under the cermis cable car as a line pilot, would you climb? I don't.

now costs must pay the price of not being able to select the staff to whom to entrust the most important assignments.
It is not easy to watch, you can constantly check a person and realize that it is correct and reliable while inside itself is plotting how to destroy the world. Also many sleeping terrorist cells were made of people who had a life and a job and who did not lay suspicions of any kind and then suddenly made the disaster.

this commander could (I say it might because I have no idea, but it will be enough to search so google since it is the novelty of the moment) to have a curriculum of all respect in his naval history but who knows for what reason (always if he will tell or will jump out all the truth) has risked such a maneuver and worse still after the joke did not try to complete his obligations and duties. I don't think it takes 1500 euros a month.

the coast cruises definitely after this wedge will put with breath on the neck, for the remaining fleet, all the crew and will introduce new controls.

for me this commander was and will remain a coglionaxxo for what he did, but if he went ass he would not have heard any news and if the company asked him from the controls of the gps track as he had changed course he would have told him to avoid a bunch of whales taking the moonlight.
 
Have you ever bumped, even with a cruise boat, against a rock?
If he had hit the bow, even at low speed, I think the bow would have noticed the mass of the ship.
Well... I have a little prora collision experience...:biggrin:

As exatem says, if "point" with the bulb, it could also tear away without the living work seeing anything.
if the ship has given ground and to rotate so (the bow is on the opposite side to that of the course followed) should have done it with the anchor of babordo, how come from the photos and the movies do not see traces of the chain or of the signs that the chain could have left on the hull?
not that you remember the dynamics well, but it seems to me that after the shock, the agreed was straight, so, if made with the anchor, it should be straight, not the left one. Right? and the straight side is the one currently under water. I remember badly?
 
behind it does not have thrusters but uses the azipods, which if rotated and sent to all force along with the thrusters in front could be able to do something like that, but with the compromised machine room I do not know if there was enough power.

By the way, he still had the stabilizers all outside, I have other dementia if you walk near the rocks, or maybe he kicked them out hoping to stabilize the ship after the crash... Anyway, there shouldn't have been anyhow.
No dear old.
concord has no azipod but banal lines of axes.
I think the ship came right when they realized they were going down. This explains why the squarcio begins from half a ship and continues towards aft.
at that point it began to quickly board water that due to the disbandation resulting from the shock concentrated straight.
the weight of that mass of water has unbalanced more and more the ship than from that moment, still in speed of about 15 knots, begins to use the hull immersed as a drift and causes the rotation of 180 degrees.
rotation that stops when the ship is on the cliff where it is now.
Have you ever bumped, even with a cruise boat, against a rock?
If he had hit the bow, even at low speed, I think the bow would have noticed the mass of the ship.
the bow piles up to the colliding bulk. as the rock was immersed, the bow would probably "salita" above the rock and then continue who knows how. If, however, the squarcio cominiciando dal bulb had extended for 50, 70 meters, would open the naphtha speakers (by the way, why do the tg continue to repeat that it is kerosene? )
 
By the way, he still had the stabilizers all outside, I have other dementia if you walk near the rocks, or maybe he kicked them out hoping to stabilize the ship after the crash... Anyway, there shouldn't have been anyhow.
another consideration.
When I saw the extracted left fin, I asked myself a few questions the first of which was: how did he not destroy it in the shock because it leans several meters from the hull? apparently does not seem to have any signs due to contact with the rock.
but probably, as it looks old, the fins were extracted after the contact just to try to counter the bandage resulting from the shock.
I attach some images to you the last of which is of the fins that were used in its time on Michael and Raphael.
 

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qui There's a minute summary of the incident.

now my question is this: from the shock to the current position there are about 1.4 kilometers; ( google earth) would have been possible for the ship, considered the probable avary of the engines resulting in the flooding, the speed after the shock itself, and obviously the stazza, turn immediately to the left without losing time, and to lay immediately before the port, after maximum 400 meters? that is to stop the ship as soon as possible, and evacuate it immediately after? were the route inevitable, and the reaction times made after the shock?
 
No dear old.
concord has no azipod but banal lines of axes.
Mea culpa... I thought as a profane that being Atlantic and Mediterranean to pod, it should be a standard for modern cruise ships, given the advantages that it carries as maneuverability' and comfort, even if at the expense of magagne series in maintenance. instead there are still many recent ships to axes and propellers, even if served by electric motors.:finger:
(by the way, why do the tg continue to repeat that it is kerosene? )
Because I'm used to air disasters...:biggrin: I wouldn't be surprised if the environmental disaster had talked about oil... even if as a consistency we approach more... Maybe some "wannabe" took for example the turbonaves using gas pipes (which I don't know which fuel they use, for precision...).
 
qui There's a minute summary of the incident.

now my question is this: from the shock to the current position there are about 1.4 kilometers; ( google earth) would have been possible for the ship, considered the probable avary of the engines resulting in the flooding, the speed after the shock itself, and obviously the stazza, turn immediately to the left without losing time, and to lay immediately before the port, after maximum 400 meters? that is to stop the ship as soon as possible, and evacuate it immediately after? were the route inevitable, and the reaction times made after the shock?
I think I already wrote it, but I repeat it in doubt.
a ship like the concord needs 1 km, 1km and a half to stop its race without the intervention of the motors (reversal of the bike).
If the mnacchine room flooded immediately, the engines are "lost" then go with the abbreviation. Not to mention that the resulting energy loss compromised the use of bow.thruster, thymoni, etc. etc.
 
the joke today heard at the tg is that the commander said he was tripped into the shawl...:eek: That sucks poor
 
not only, the second officer and the third officer are tripped....

So excuse me, if the six knot ship needed that space to stop, how could they evacuate it first? the delay therefore has been less than 20 minutes, (which is not however little) from 22.42, when it stopped permanently, at 22.58, when the alarm of abandonment took place. would it be possible to evacuate a two-node ship, i.e. speed from 21.58?
of course they remain, the caxxata of the collision, the lies given to the captain of the port, and the abandonment of the ship by the captain, and many officers.
all, if the engines were in the avary, which is very likely because the collision occurred at 21.45 and the engines, from a communication with the engine room, were already flooded at 21.48.
 
http://www.cesystem.it/codici/codice_navigazione/t25.htm
titleof crimes in particular
head i: crimes against the personality of the state
art. 1097(abandonment of ship or aircraft in danger by the commander)
the commander, who, in case of abandonment of the ship, of the float or of the aircraft in danger, does not descend last from board, is punished with the imprisonment until two years.
If from the fact comes the fire, the shipwreck or the submerger of the ship or the float, that is the fire, the fall or the loss of the aircraft, the penalty is from two to eight years. If the ship or aircraft is used as a transport of persons, it is worth three to twelve years.
art. 1098(abandonment of ship or aircraft in danger by crew member)
the member of the crew, who without the consent of the commander abandons the ship or the float in danger, is punished with the recruitment up to a year.
at the same penalty is the member of the aircraft crew who without the consent of the commander jumps with the parachute or otherwise abandons the aircraft in danger.
if from the fact comes the fire, the shipwreck or the submerged of the ship or the float or the fire, the fall or the loss of the aircraft, the penalty from two to eight years. If the ship or aircraft is used as a transport of persons, it is worth three to twelve years.
 
By the way, it was not even a novelty to go to satin coast.. .
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=160777
roma, 18-01-2012
the tragic bow at the lily is not a novelty in the customs of the coast. the cruise company, in fact, on its blog 'celebra' another 'passage' close to the coast agreed on 30 August 2010 in front of the island of procida. in charge, even in that case, frank trick. the investigating commander and now under house arrest after the lily catastrophe.
"the coast concordia - we read on the blog that for the summer season is carrying out the cruise " Mediterranean refugees", 7 magnificent days to visit Tunisia, whales, Spain and France, on August 30, 2010 before the arrival to napoli planned around the
13.00, he owed with his greeting and with his short stop in the ray of the courier, the island of procida, all this thanks to the Franciscan commander skeleton, of destination of sorrento".
"a great emotion not only for the procidanes but also for the many tourists present who have welcomed the great and mighty ship with applause, banners, trumpets and vuvuzelas, aboard motorboats, fishing boats, born of all kinds".
the arrival of the ship - we read - was greeted announced by 10 shots of mortar to which coast concordia has responded with 3 whistles of siren, ritual of greeting. as the first officer of the original blanket of procida declared "a feast, an act of love and a tribute to the marine tradition that procidani and sorrentini have in dna".
52 were the 'inchini' to reproduce a custom of marine that, however, in the light of the disaster of the harmony poses not a few questions. not last, on
regularity of this practice.
 
I also read about this practice and among other things noted that the evening of the incident on the site of the coast cruises have promptly removed the page where it was spoken...:rolleyes:

of the codes that we know about the escapade in Italy he will make a couple of years and then again to the command of a ship
 
Then:
- the ship turns to the passage between the two rocks at about 15 kn
- pulls right away because he realizes he's colliding with the coast of the island
- in qeull'attimo hit against the left rock that tears the flank
- the hull fills with water
- the comic ship to tilt on the right side
- the engines stopped and the ship continues for inertia (imagine the mass)
- the inclination increases due to the water taken
- the derapa ship turning like on a pin, leaning on the right side for 180° and slowly back
- the bulb goes to bump against a rock that stops the whole and the hull rests on the bottom almost in front of the mouth of the port:confused:
 
Then:
- the ship turns to the passage between the two rocks at about 15 kn
- pulls right away because he realizes he's colliding with the coast of the island
- in qeull'attimo hit against the left rock that tears the flank
- the hull fills with water
- the comic ship to tilt on the right side
- the engines stopped and the ship continues for inertia (imagine the mass)
- the inclination increases due to the water taken
- the derapa ship turning like on a pin, leaning on the right side for 180° and slowly back
- the bulb goes to bump against a rock that stops the whole and the hull rests on the bottom almost in front of the mouth of the port:confused:
three minutes from the impact the engine room was completely flooded.
reconstruction should be correct.
now I place the recovery of the cauliur as promised.:mixed:
thanks (or cursed, depending on taste) the influence.:frown:
I'm going.
 
a difficult recoveryon the evening of 11 November 1940 twenty “fayrey swordfish”, taken off from the carrier hms “illustrious”, attacked in two successive waves the Italian ships to the bottom in the great sea of the port of taranto. in a few minutes, three of the six battleships of which the director had until then, were put out of combat. the “littory” was hit by three torpedoes while “duilio” and “conte di cavour” took one each.
but while the first two were promptly brought to the bottoms, which allowed, despite the serious damage, to bring them back quickly afloat, the “cavour” was brought to the enchantment with guilty delay.
with the fully submerged hull, it took eight months for the complex recovery operations.
we see how such operations were carried out.

an air mark ii heated by 457mm, with an explosive charge of 170 kg and a steel type “duplex” i.e. shock and magnetic, exploded at 23.15 under the hull in the zone between the control tower and the tower above high of prora (the "b") opening a flaw of 12 x 8 meters and affecting the premises between the ordered 24 and 36 and the attached deposit.
the squarcio involves the immediate flooding of the ammunition stores of large and medium caliber, the local refrigerators, the viroles of the towers a and b. waterways affect the adjacent premises mainly because of infiltration between the stagnated passages of the electric cables. Fortunately the ship is already located with the sealed doors closed after the air pre-awakening of the territorial contraerea (dicat). the left anchor falls on the bottom as a result of the rupture of the deemed draft while the large pump exhaustion of prora cannot be started due to the impossibility of manoeuvre the discharge valve at sea blocked by the explosion of the siluro.

after the request repeated three times by the commander of the ship (c.v. ernesto ciurlo), that it still arranged the installation of the motors remaining indenni, finally between the 23.20 and the 23.45 arrive in rescue two trailers to which the cables of trailer have passed. after 15 minutes, the ammunition of the Brivonese takes command of the operations. at 00.30 one of the two trailers is recalled under the left mascone to use the means of exhaustion but the "tenace" has not with if the suitable sleeve therefore another trailer is sent in arsenal to pick it up. after more than an hour the trailer returns with the necessary sleeve while in the meantime the “vigorous” rim joins operations.
but other time is wasted in an attempt to “spin” the pump (which only manages at 04.00).
meanwhile the prora dive reaches 01.55, 14.3 meters against 10.4 normal, increasing about 50 cm per hour. at 04.15 the water reaches the cubes and submerges the prodier part of the blanket. Finally the trailers begin to move and the great battleship slowly turns towards lower backdrops. at 05.00, with an immersion of 17.15 meters, the prora of the cauliur touches the bottom. after ten minutes, during which the ship has remained horizontal, the hull begins to tilt straight reaching quickly the 10th of displacement. at this point is given the order to attach 5 compartments to the left but the drought, although slowed down, continues to reach 45°. then at 08.00, after all the crew was disembarked and the boilers were turned off, the ship radrizza transversamente and the stern leans on the seabed.

in the morning of the cauliur you can see only the highest superstructures slightly disbanded straight. the hull is completely immersed in a mudbed of about 18 meters a short distance from the pier “chiapparo”, the deck is about 4 meters from the surface while that of castle at about 2.
recovery operations immediately appear complex and probably not convenient. the cauliur is a ship with intrinsic structural weakness and the construction solutions that have already been overcome also evidenced by the severity of the damage reported. Although modernized between 1933 and 1937 by adopting brilliant technical solutions, the original defects were not completely eliminated. For example, with regard to underwater protection, also the adoption of the excellent “pugliese cylinders” has been conditioned by problems of space for which the structures are undersized. the structure of the bottom proves fragile and particularly vulnerable. to this is added the shortage of workers and materials mainly engaged in the work on litigation and duilio. for these reasons regarding the recovery of the great ship the decision late to arrive.

At the end, the general of the naval genius umberto Apulian, a planner of the quarrel but dismissed in 39 following racial laws as a Jew.
Apulian calls to itself the best technicians available by establishing an exceptional team. the palombari carry out the checks of the damage then begin the works of lightening disembarking the weights placed higher. is removed the tree, the armoured tower of the direction of the shooting, the secondary weapons from 120mm, the anti-aircraft, the entire tower “b”, the weapons of the tower “c” and part of the tower “d” completely submerged. to protection of the hull is placed a parasiluri net while the intervention of a Trieste firm, tripcovich, specialized in naval recoveries is required.
the recovery project previews the closure of the main foul the installation of two "tures" to prora and aft to bring the walls beyond the level of the sea. At this point you can start emptying the hull by means of pumps while simultaneously eliminating the threads between compartments. aft they have installed “pump cylinders” to ensure floatation and stability.
in March of 41 the first elements of the prodier can be installed by pointing them and making them ponds and on April 1 the operation is completed.
thanks to powerful pumps you immediately begin to exhaust the premises of prora while in the aft you place the cylinders of push and you begin to mount the relative.
the ship takes off from the bottom and slowly, begins to rise.
on 20 June the castle bridge emerges from the waters while the tower “d” is completely dismantled. finally on July 2 also the stern returns afloat and the tures can be dismantled having finished their task. when the fishing reaches the 12 meters the battleship is in condition of being towed in the faking basin even if to compensate for the weight of the water still contained in prora, three of the cylinders used for the float are arranged in a stern in blanket.
on the morning of 12 July, with all the crew deployed on deck and the flag at the peak, the cauliflower, with the help of 6 trailers, enters the small sea and heads towards the floating basin go12.
after three days the hull is now dry and an accurate inspection begins.
Actually, the battleship is little more than a wreck. the engine apparatus, despite not having suffered direct damage from the explosion of the torpedo, remained eight months under water.
all electrical system, wiring, equipment, must be replaced. turbulent groups and sleeping boilers recoverable in the face of a big economic commitment. However, the works resume and start by landing the three cylinders while the “cabiniere hat”, i.e. the characteristic telemetric turret armoured, resumes its place over the tower. In the meantime, the engine system is restored and the internal premises are shaved.
the works are much more challenging than expected and require a month and a half more than initially estimated. in December, however, the cauliur is able to move with its own means, although still devoid of the main and secondary armament, and starts to reach Trieste where it would have finished the preparation.
is the last trip of the old battleship. the few resources available are used for the completion of the “roma” before and of the “empire” after (the latter never ended).
in June 43, when the fate of the conflict is now irreparably compromised, it is decided to permanently suspend the work. on the evening of September 10, after having secured the fighting flag, the cauliur is abandoned. the Germans judge it not usable and have the cannibalization of what can be reused.
now partially dismantled, it remains at the mooring under two allied bombings following which it turns up sinking.
the partially emerged hull remains there until 1951 when it is re-launched and then demolished.

in the course of the war he had only had the opportunity to confront the enemy once on the occasion of the battle of peak stylus.
It remains to be wondered why it was decided for an economic and industrial commitment so heavy considering that it was still a ship over and not without defects. It is curious to remember that even the twins demonstrated a chronic transversal instability. the “julio cesare”, ceded in the post-war period to the Soviet union paid for war damages, quickly fell overturned as a result of the explosion of a mine under the hull, while the “leonardo da Vinci”, sank to taranto in 1916 after the explosion of the poppiero deposit of ammunition that caused it also in this case, the overturning.
Annexes:
1) the point where the fault occurred
2) the ship sunk
3) you start placing the “tura”
4) the tures mounted and the ship that begins to rise
5) complete tura.
 

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If you command the abandonment of the ship, the shipowner loses its property, which becomes a rescuer.
the shipowners stipulate contracts with the recovery companies, before abandoning the ship you must be sure that the rescuer "right" is "prossimo".
question: but has the order ever been given (officially)?
I would have a bet to make.

p.s.: who knows how many calls between "our" and the shipowner.
 

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