numero1
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I mean, did the coast have to plant this mollusc?http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/pinna_nobilis
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Exatem
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already, otherwise they would probably die.
a few days ago a national tg (I don't remember which) showing the moment of the "transplant" of one of these huge bivalves.
I also read that with the money that will be spent on the coast because of the shipwreck, you could have reconstructed the eagle.
think of human stupidity to where it can come. . .
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numero1
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Well... the environment had to be restored, as far as possible.
even if this news has left me puzzled.........
It's just as obvious that with the money you spend, you could've done a lot of other things.
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even if this news has left me puzzled.........
It's just as obvious that with the money you spend, you could've done a lot of other things.
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...hitler learns about the escape from the concord coast (parody). . .
...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neloatv1uy4...
...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neloatv1uy4...
Exatem
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coast cruises communicate that is online the new information website on the project of removal of the wreck of the concordia
the site is bilingual (versions in Italian and English) and you can find it at the following link: www.theparbucklingproject.com
the site is bilingual (versions in Italian and English) and you can find it at the following link: www.theparbucklingproject.com
numero1
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update on the button commander:http://www.tmnews.it/web/sezioni/top10/20121228_160630.shtmlhere is also the audio:http://it.notizie.yahoo.com/video/la-telefonata-tra-schettino-e-134408818.html
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Exatem
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I listened to her last night. .
do not call him commander, the true commanders turn into their graves at the bottom of the oceans... .
numero1
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That's why I wrote it with the minuscule c
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numero1
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Today has been a year, it is the first anniversary, it seemed right to remember it.
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Exatem
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a meeting was concluded at the prefecture of bigeto to fix the date of when the consortium of titan-micopers could start all the operation of removal of the wreck of the concord coast.
in practice from September 15 (there are those who hypothesized the 20 but everything depends on the weather) every moment could be good to try the straightening of the ship.
on 28 August two blister tanks were in fact placed and installed on the prora of the wreck. blister tanks are the "special tanks" that will provide a push of about 4,000 tons thus supporting the wreck's prora during the next three phases: the rotation that will bring the wreck to vertical position (the so-called "parbuckling"); the resting phase of the wreck on the artificial backdrop and the cladding. made of steel, the blisters were made at the yards fincantieri respective of palermo and ancona and then assembled, at the yard of palermo.
on their arrival at the island of the lily, they were anchored to the hull of the wreck thanks to special anchoring tubes that, subsequently they were installed in the tunnels of the propellers of maneuver.
the whole structure as a whole (i.e. the two blister tanks, the tubular structure and the three anchor tubes) weighs about 1,700 tons. the two only blister tanks measure a length of about 23 meters, a depth of about 15 meters and a height of about 20 meters.
the managers of the operation have stated that they believe possible that the rotation of the hull takes place within a day then, they will have to fix the kennel considerations on the opposite wall and finally, lift all the hull carrying it in float.
for the actual removal will take a long time so, we will talk about it.
Annex to the current section.
in practice from September 15 (there are those who hypothesized the 20 but everything depends on the weather) every moment could be good to try the straightening of the ship.
on 28 August two blister tanks were in fact placed and installed on the prora of the wreck. blister tanks are the "special tanks" that will provide a push of about 4,000 tons thus supporting the wreck's prora during the next three phases: the rotation that will bring the wreck to vertical position (the so-called "parbuckling"); the resting phase of the wreck on the artificial backdrop and the cladding. made of steel, the blisters were made at the yards fincantieri respective of palermo and ancona and then assembled, at the yard of palermo.
on their arrival at the island of the lily, they were anchored to the hull of the wreck thanks to special anchoring tubes that, subsequently they were installed in the tunnels of the propellers of maneuver.
the whole structure as a whole (i.e. the two blister tanks, the tubular structure and the three anchor tubes) weighs about 1,700 tons. the two only blister tanks measure a length of about 23 meters, a depth of about 15 meters and a height of about 20 meters.
the managers of the operation have stated that they believe possible that the rotation of the hull takes place within a day then, they will have to fix the kennel considerations on the opposite wall and finally, lift all the hull carrying it in float.
for the actual removal will take a long time so, we will talk about it.
Annex to the current section.
Exatem
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Then we are... indeed, there are!
Monday at dawn will be held the straightening of the concord coast.
after a year and eight months, Monday, September 16, five hundred people will be engaged in attempts to raise and rotate a floating city: at this point only adverse weather conditions, which are not expected, could cause a postponement.
the doubt until the last was whether to make the rotation of the coast agree now, in September, or wait for the next spring.
a question that, put by the room room committee to the head of civil protection gabrielli, has been turned from these to the technicians of the sector.
engineers had to demonstrate how it is better to straighten the ship now. and according to their opinion, not only would be desirable the straightening now, but the not having done it would have prejudiced the removal even in spring. in other words, leaving the ship overthrown a third winter, would compromise the possibility of a real safety mass.
why this “fretta”? because to straighten the ship now and then let it winter, so to speak, exposing it to the wavy motion throughout the autumn/winter period, would be extremely risky.
Will the company ever be tempted before? and we do not refer only to the size of the ship (114,000 tons) and to the system designed to make it rotate. here everything is absolutely new, there is no mathematical model to refer to, there are no precedents to learn from.
for the operation called “parbuckling” have been prepared models that indicate how remote the possibility of breaking the ship during the operation, but this does not mean that the risk does not exist.
to give an idea of the size of the enterprise you pay attention to the following data: to reach the vertical position the wreck must rotate about 65 degrees from the current position. for this purpose all the planned structures have been realized using more than 30,000 tons of steel, equivalent to 4 times the weight of the eiffel tour. Six platforms were set up by 21 poles in the rock at an average depth of 9 meters. in the operation will be used 22 naval means and 8 barges including the "mills 30", 122 meters long, and the "lone" of 160 meters. more than 500 people work in total.
it is impossible to predict the final of this operation. like all the things never experienced before, there are elements of uncertainty.
one of the possible final scenarios, the worst hypothesized, is that the ship is “smonti” during the rotation, pouring into the sea the equivalent of an entire city made of chemicals, lubricants, oils. we have already extensively discussed how fuel has already been removed, but inside a ship like this, there are chemical materials for hygiene and cleaning, lubricants, additives, hydraulic circuits and lubricants. for precaution around the wreck a double layer of absorbent cloths will be placed and as far as possible, liquids will be aspired.
Of course there is that the hull at once of the deformations and the hull could even have been perforated by the two rock spikes on which it had initially leaned.
We have nothing left for the moment but to follow the titanic enterprise and hope that everything will go as planned.
to the following address you can follow the work history http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/?lang=it
Monday at dawn will be held the straightening of the concord coast.
after a year and eight months, Monday, September 16, five hundred people will be engaged in attempts to raise and rotate a floating city: at this point only adverse weather conditions, which are not expected, could cause a postponement.
the doubt until the last was whether to make the rotation of the coast agree now, in September, or wait for the next spring.
a question that, put by the room room committee to the head of civil protection gabrielli, has been turned from these to the technicians of the sector.
engineers had to demonstrate how it is better to straighten the ship now. and according to their opinion, not only would be desirable the straightening now, but the not having done it would have prejudiced the removal even in spring. in other words, leaving the ship overthrown a third winter, would compromise the possibility of a real safety mass.
why this “fretta”? because to straighten the ship now and then let it winter, so to speak, exposing it to the wavy motion throughout the autumn/winter period, would be extremely risky.
Will the company ever be tempted before? and we do not refer only to the size of the ship (114,000 tons) and to the system designed to make it rotate. here everything is absolutely new, there is no mathematical model to refer to, there are no precedents to learn from.
for the operation called “parbuckling” have been prepared models that indicate how remote the possibility of breaking the ship during the operation, but this does not mean that the risk does not exist.
to give an idea of the size of the enterprise you pay attention to the following data: to reach the vertical position the wreck must rotate about 65 degrees from the current position. for this purpose all the planned structures have been realized using more than 30,000 tons of steel, equivalent to 4 times the weight of the eiffel tour. Six platforms were set up by 21 poles in the rock at an average depth of 9 meters. in the operation will be used 22 naval means and 8 barges including the "mills 30", 122 meters long, and the "lone" of 160 meters. more than 500 people work in total.
it is impossible to predict the final of this operation. like all the things never experienced before, there are elements of uncertainty.
one of the possible final scenarios, the worst hypothesized, is that the ship is “smonti” during the rotation, pouring into the sea the equivalent of an entire city made of chemicals, lubricants, oils. we have already extensively discussed how fuel has already been removed, but inside a ship like this, there are chemical materials for hygiene and cleaning, lubricants, additives, hydraulic circuits and lubricants. for precaution around the wreck a double layer of absorbent cloths will be placed and as far as possible, liquids will be aspired.
Of course there is that the hull at once of the deformations and the hull could even have been perforated by the two rock spikes on which it had initially leaned.
We have nothing left for the moment but to follow the titanic enterprise and hope that everything will go as planned.
to the following address you can follow the work history http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/?lang=it
enri
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"why this "fright"? because to straighten the ship now and then let it winter, so to speak, exposing it to the wavy motion throughout the autumn/winter period, would be extremely risky. "excuse exatem, but I don't understand, it seems to me that this is what is done, they rotate it, and they leave it for all this winter, then in spring 2014 they carry it in a port, I hope they piombino, pull that acrocchio until palermo seems incomprehensible.
But you think they weren't gonna tear it apart right now without waiting all this time? at least I know in some trunks to move separately. but I don't know if the first hypothesis would have been worse.
I realize now that the hypothesis of recovering the ship to put it back in navigation that I had ventilated at the beginning, appears absurd, after two months was already deformed!
But you think they weren't gonna tear it apart right now without waiting all this time? at least I know in some trunks to move separately. but I don't know if the first hypothesis would have been worse.
I realize now that the hypothesis of recovering the ship to put it back in navigation that I had ventilated at the beginning, appears absurd, after two months was already deformed!
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until the hull is lying on one side there are a considerable number of risks also because it is not designed for such "unnatural" settings. first of all the hull rests on two rock spurs beyond which there is a backdrop of 70m. and is full half water. It's clear that if he slipped over there, the recovery would be extremely difficult. Moreover the hull still contains a huge amount of pollutants. oils for various machinery (there are not only engines), chemical products of various kinds, fats, detergents, solvents, etc. etc. think only of the amount of food that is still in the cells and in the cambuses. tons of material that would end up at the bottom of the sea. That's why she wasn't torn apart. cutting it in water, tilted by 65°, without crossing anything is unthinkable and unrealizable.
I'm not even talking about it. the hull has deformed irreparably.
at the beginning of the discussion I had made comparison with the recovery of the cauliflower armour after the night of taranto http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthre...rdia-e-allegra&p=253224&viewfull=1#post253224and I explained that for a warship recovery is easier. the wall of the concord is a window crawler, hundreds of openings that it is impossible to close to make them stagna, so that of the push boxes is probably the best method you could think.
Let us hope that bad luck will not be reversed.
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enri
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But I don't understand why not pull it right away, why do you think they wait at least until spring?
after all the time at least for a two months should hold, then if we talk about piombino are 70 kilometers 340 meters ( google earth )
after all the time at least for a two months should hold, then if we talk about piombino are 70 kilometers 340 meters ( google earth )
Exatem
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because to stabilize the hull you need to symmetrically place the same pressure boxes on the currently submerged wall and for this it takes time. then, once symmetrical the arrangement of the crates, it will be necessary to empty them so that their thrust lifts the hull from the artificial platform placed on the bottom of the sea while at the same time providing to reclaim the areas emerged. at this point the water contained above the floating plane will spontaneously exit from the hull, however, carrying who knows what pollutants not previously removed, which will have to be aspired/bonified.
now you can pick up the ship to a suitable port. is the next one, it does not have enough fishing, so alternative solutions are evaluated and here we demonstrate the Italians that we are. These economic interests will move (€600 million for demolition) that make me think badly.
and think bad too often you guess!
some info:http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/noti...cordia-mondo-occhi-142724.shtml?uuid=ab6m9pwiand the simulation videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbu-hchkkgk
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enri
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So all these operations occupy the months between here and April we say.
Thank you, tomorrow you tell us minute by minute I hope
they say there will be 90% of the chances of success, in the worst case it will be difficult I think that the ship is split in two, most could be transversal cediments due to to torsion, certain disadvantages however.
Thank you, tomorrow you tell us minute by minute I hope
they say there will be 90% of the chances of success, in the worst case it will be difficult I think that the ship is split in two, most could be transversal cediments due to to torsion, certain disadvantages however.
numero1
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thanks exatem, precise and clear as always.
The only thing is that it seems to me that there is an excessive show of the event.
I understand that the fateful day of the lily would have been assaulted (loans or nolents) by journalists, I also understand that the islanders try to profit from this; Since the presence of the wreck damaged them during the summer season, although parallelly a tourism from "disastro", we call it so............ .
I understand everything, but even pull up a stage for journalists and authorities, leaves me a little puzzled......... :
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The only thing is that it seems to me that there is an excessive show of the event.
I understand that the fateful day of the lily would have been assaulted (loans or nolents) by journalists, I also understand that the islanders try to profit from this; Since the presence of the wreck damaged them during the summer season, although parallelly a tourism from "disastro", we call it so............ .
I understand everything, but even pull up a stage for journalists and authorities, leaves me a little puzzled......... :
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but for the "rendering of the project" could not consult us?http://www.corriere.it/cronache/fot..._9b194a22-1b9d-11e3-bb5a-be580d016df6.shtml#1
Exatem
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mah, it is a highly spectacular enterprise that has never been tempted before and it is normal that you attract attention in a world where news travel in real time. We have the chance to make a great figure, hopefully it's okay.
the "comandante" of operations is a South African, nick sloane who declares himself quiet and confident. fears only the weather conditions but are favorable. could be one of the last "windows" available. If they start the strikes of season then it is a big mess.
the very first hours will be fundamental, those in which the hull must be disincasted by the rock spurs that have settled in the hull then the ship should then start to “work” alone to return to a board. the dumpsters will slowly fill up with water, thus helping the hull to hire the correct setup.
cover and take an article on the average topic released yesterday:a pass to be able to move on the port of the island of the lily also for the gigliesi. without that residents and giglio port traders will not be able to enter the lower part of the island during the vertical rotation of the wreck. to adapt to the news since this morning many people have lined up in front of the head office, which distributes the badges. for now about 230 permits have been delivered but until Monday, the 1000 could be touched because they are also provided for the collaborators of those who have commercial activities and for the tourists who are staying at the port lily. only residents are almost 700.. .
350 journalists so far accredited to follow the operations of rotation of the wreck of the concord coast. and others should add it to Monday. many TVs that will broadcast live the phases of the enterprise. The farthest from Australia and China, besides cnn and jazeera. tomorrow at 9:00 p.m., he will open the press tent set up at the port for the delivery of the accreditations. inside planned about 240 seats with constant technical updates on the parbuckling operation.
also set up a TV mediacenter and a stand-up station equipped at the green pier.
also sky tg24 will make an integral direct for the rotation of the concordy coast.However if you go to the site I indicated at post 432, there is a possibility to request accreditation