cacciatorino
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Sorry the naive question: When they were clarified armoured ships like after pearl harbour or taranto attacks, was it simpler businesses or the degree of complexity was more or less similar?
Mike1967
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I am "curious" to see how they will (the technique for this operation is a novelty for me and not only) and I am
happy that they will document everything.
in a few months we will see this company on TV, maybe on discovery, and will be seen by millions of people.
I hope it will help to ensure that superficial and irresponsible behaviour is punished heavily.
It is "normal" that they have prepared a place for journalists, at least they will be at a precise place
and they will not hinder maneuvers.
I hope that all planned operations will go right, given the high cost in human lives that
This tragedy has acted.
happy that they will document everything.
in a few months we will see this company on TV, maybe on discovery, and will be seen by millions of people.
I hope it will help to ensure that superficial and irresponsible behaviour is punished heavily.
It is "normal" that they have prepared a place for journalists, at least they will be at a precise place
and they will not hinder maneuvers.
I hope that all planned operations will go right, given the high cost in human lives that
This tragedy has acted.
Exatem
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Well, I said here: http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthre...rdia-e-allegra&p=253224&viewfull=1#post253224the recovery of a warship, even of important dimensions as could be a battleship, is, at equal conditions, less difficult (!) even if it is anything but a simple operation.
keep in mind that both taranto and pearl harbour sinks have occurred within naval bases, equipped with means and workshops at hand. for the concordia instead has had to set up a yard to the lily.
However, in order to bring a sinked hull back into float following flooding, it is necessary to make it tin, therefore, emptying it, it will return to float (helping it with floats called "pump cylinders").
the warships had already at the time the minimum possible number of openings for obvious protection needs from the explosion of grenades and bombs.
to make an example, there were no air conditioning facilities such as current ones at the time, and the housings had, as a result, small portholes that were easily shuttered. the only room with relatively large windows was the control bridge.
Today the station is even better because to protect the crews from nuclear or nbc attacks, the military ships have further reduced the openings to the outside. look at the beautiful photo of the doria I attach. reduced openings to a minimum.
this is not valid for merchant ships or cruise ships that instead have to offer guests views of the sea, open-air pools, terraces, and who more has...
so to think to close all the openings that the harmony offered to its passengers, it is impossible. the only solution is that adopted, that is, to resort to "external means" that carry the ship in order. but, as mentioned, there has never been such an operation and therefore, there is no caseistic.
However it is decided. in the morning at 6:00 (except weather complications) the operation begins.
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Mike1967
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on the online channel skytg24 is the direct.
I don't hide that every now and then a cop gives it...:smile:
I don't hide that every now and then a cop gives it...:smile:
Tequila
Guest
also on the website of republic there is direct video
Exatem
Guest
I imagine many are informed about the progress of operations.
currently the ship has been straightened by 8 degrees.
currently the ship has been straightened by 8 degrees.
enri
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explained why palermo.
It seems that at a piombino, although it is widely sponsored by the Tuscan region of course, there are no necessary infrastructures, and even if the object of allocation of resources, can not be ready before two years.
a palermo would use the fincantieri basin, and it would be the only suitable site.
but fincantieri does not have a yard also in Tuscany?
It seems that at a piombino, although it is widely sponsored by the Tuscan region of course, there are no necessary infrastructures, and even if the object of allocation of resources, can not be ready before two years.
a palermo would use the fincantieri basin, and it would be the only suitable site.
but fincantieri does not have a yard also in Tuscany?
enri
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I see that in Tuscany there are not, but why do not die or sestri west? Maybe there's not a big enough basin.
Exatem
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to spice there is a large floating basin of fincantieri (I don't know if enough), to understand what the cauliur was assembled.
I don't know the reasons why spice wasn't taken into account but I can risk a hypothesis.
muggiano and slabs are engaged in the construction of the brakes and muggiano (sp) also in that of the new 212 and may have planned the use of the basin for this purpose for the next years.
It's not like you agree to break it down in two weeks. . .
enri
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There must be a reason, but before drawing a wreck of the same 500 kilometers I imagine they should intervene on the dig further, goes in navigation with the tanks attached?
Exatem
Guest
If they don't want her to sink again...
enri
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right, :ddd
then stop the foul, and empty what is possible. . .
incredible that it costs more demolition than the construction of a new ship.
then stop the foul, and empty what is possible. . .
incredible that it costs more demolition than the construction of a new ship.
Exatem
Guest
think only of the costs that in Italy has the disposal of waste.
Tequila
Guest
we say that it is not that they are moving a bin of the pattumiera, and who is intervening to do it surely does not do it for charity, besides the fact that they are not building it in a yard, with safety norms and equipment of various kinds already available. they had to create ad hoc structures, they work at sea and there are a thousand unknowns that, while anticipating them, you never know how to trigger.
then you have to see who sponsored this company, if it will be crowded with the only insurance, if some television broadcaster will have bought TV rights for some special on all the procedure and construction of the parbuckling that we will see in a few months (type discovery channel, national geographicals, etc.).
anyway from 4 this morning the rotation at least has been completed.
Exatem
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Everything is good what ends well.
now the ship is "standing", rests on the Arctic seabed and can be secured for the coming winter.
now the vultures will rise in flight and drawing ever closer concentric circles, will cast off the fight to grab the succulent bite.
now the ship is "standing", rests on the Arctic seabed and can be secured for the coming winter.
now the vultures will rise in flight and drawing ever closer concentric circles, will cast off the fight to grab the succulent bite.
Tequila
Guest
What do you mean?
What are you talking about?
those who want to catch her to put her back to the sea or to demolish her?
Exatem
Guest
I feel I'm putting it back to the sea with some confidence that it won't be possible (although the hull still needs to be inspected).
will be the demolition to unleash hungry appetites... They've already started.
Tequila
Guest
Surely... I hope that the things that have been saved inside will not be revised for new ones, as often happens in other sectors.
enri
Guest
I was talking about the demolition itself. the costs of rotation and safety would be on the sixty million, but the demolition, at least so I read and felt would rise on the 600! This is the figure I just don't understand, build it, with everything in it cost 400 million. Then you start talking about piombino, it's okay the proximity, but if it takes two years to make a new basin, is it the case?
the ship now makes some impression, it seems that on the side was spurned by two ships. I guess it's the two rock spikes he was leaning on.
All good anyway a successful operation perfectly.
the ship now makes some impression, it seems that on the side was spurned by two ships. I guess it's the two rock spikes he was leaning on.
All good anyway a successful operation perfectly.
Exatem
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I think you are misapproaching the problem in the sense that the coast will spend 600 or more million for the whole operation and will recover it not know how many from the sale of scraps.
I make a very rough list of the "expense".
for straightening:
500 technicians for 20 months (at the moment) engaged on the site of which 100 divers who have now achieved 12000 diving.
30 naval means engaged in support of operations 24 hours a day.
a temporary and semi-galling site set up on site.
construction of 30 cassons for gallegging and succesive commissioning.
realization and commissioning of a platform of 30.00 tons consisting of 6 elements.
laying of 400 concrete bags to create a false backdrop.
on the ground side, a wreck-holding system based on 11 towers, anchored to the seabed, each carrying two hydraulic hammers to recover ropes, for a total of 22.
36 hydraulic jacks to recover ropes that have been placed on the outer upper end of 9 of the 11 bins.
this only to list "the big". there would then be chains, ropes, poles, gulfs, etc. etc. etc.
phase of transport.
safety and four/six or more trailers that will have to drive the complex to the demolition site.
demolition:
occupation of an equipped area, a basin (which will have to be wide enough to let in ship and bins over 300 meters long) for .... 24 months? How many are so big in Italy? Do you think they give it to you for free?
only to realize the laying plan will cost a few thousand €.
removal and disposal of special and/or dangerous waste.
demolition of structures, cutting to the cannello, with hydraulic shears. . .
In short, the first, very important step with great satisfaction and merit of all, but it is precisely, the first step.