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SHIREN said:
Hello exa....... .
as we did in the 50-60s
then we were the
But I keep my mind (I'm always a confident optimist!!!!!)°v°
as already happened to other ships directed to the cheap unleashed goods
inhabitant
It's not like it would happen.
Thank you very much
a hug exa...... .
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hi shi, a warm embrace to you and family.
You tell me? My city has sacrificed miles of coast in favor of demolition yards and today we no longer have a "water front". but the world has changed as well as its rules even if not everywhere.

the president also hypothesized an eternal rest of the harmony on the bottom of the Mediterranean. . What you want me to tell you, I hope that being under the eye of the cameras around the world will create a special attention to the removal of the wreck. Of course, the vanguard solution would be the safest but I repeat a question I have already asked several times and to which I would like to receive an authoritative answer.
how can a ship fishing 18,5 meters (this is what would result after the installation of the dumps, and I do not consoder the necessary heels to the support of the ship in the basin) enter into one that plunges to the maximum for 16?
 
it turns out that the coast has now spent about 1 billion €
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I don't agree. returning to the automotive example, if you go banging against a pole of the polish, it is obvious that they charge you the removal with the carroatrezzi. Well, for now it's costing that.

then they will also charge you the cost to restore the pole. and this is paying him? I don't know. So how do you do with a normal citizen or even pay that, or seize the functioning ships. if necessary we can discuss whether part of the payment can be cancelled in case the disposal works are entrusted in Italy. reasonable.

but we Italians always do the sexes and then fill us with how tax the other states of the world are.
 
gil said:
I don't agree. returning to the automotive example, if you go banging against a pole of the polish, it is obvious that they charge you the removal with the carroatrezzi. Well, for now it's costing that.

then they will also charge you the cost to restore the pole. and this is paying him? I don't know. So how do you do with a normal citizen or even pay that, or seize the functioning ships. if necessary we can discuss whether part of the payment can be cancelled in case the disposal works are entrusted in Italy. reasonable.

but we Italians always do the sexes and then fill us with how tax the other states of the world are.
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I am not the lawyer of the coast though if you look here:www.theparbucklingproject.comfind information about the environmental safeguards carried out by the company.
In any case, we are talking about a disaster that has had, and it still has an undoubted environmental impact.
I agree that it would be desirable for demolition to take place in Italy, even for a reason for safeguarding the environment.
 
I am not practical of "naval" matter. ...I wanted to say that time ago in a transmission of those that do on discovery channel (now I don't remember well that channel was) they showed a huge ship demolition yard located in a region in northern Europe (type estonia or similar robe)....it is to see that you understand why ships prefer to make them demolish abroad: thousands of workers at work without any kind of safety and no respected environmental norms.

cmq also I am of the opinion that the ship will end on the seabed....maybe they hypothesize a "opppss..... a float is washed. . . "
 
They explain that before taking it away, they have to empty all the liquids, by danger of spilling. But I ask myself a few things: where do they remove liquids? not on site, but in a construction site we say, near? Well, how do they take it? If they take off the dumpsters, how do they drive her away? Do they take the water inside, stop the leak at best? If they charge it on the vanguard, I have to remove the dumpsters, but we are the boss, without, instead of fishing 18 meters, it pesks 28..exa hypotheses, that if we wait for newspaper articles I make more and more confusion. :qui today's article.
 
enri said:
They explain that before taking it away, they have to empty all the liquids, by danger of spilling. But I ask myself a few things: where do they remove liquids? not on site, but in a construction site we say, near? Well, how do they take it? If they take off the dumpsters, how do they drive her away? Do they take the water inside, stop the leak at best? If they charge it on the vanguard, I have to remove the dumpsters, but we are the boss, without, instead of fishing 18 meters, it pesks 28..exa hypotheses, that if we wait for newspaper articles I make more and more confusion. :qui today's article.
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I think I have repeated several times that on board the wreck there are tons of waste of all kinds. the most "dangerous" because of difficult management, are the liquid ones.

at first it was talked about installing these floating bins which are a modern version of the push cylinders I had mentioned describing the recovery of the battleships after the alas sad night of taranto. in such case the operation previewed the trailer of the wreck at a port where you could start the demolition of the superstructures before the indispensable entrance to the basin. As the hull lightens, it increases the float thus discovering other waste to be collected and disposed of in conditions of relative safety (a port offers in this sense guarantees certainly greater).

the boarding on the vanguard presupposes the transport in a place sufficiently distant from the lily so as to justify the costs (it seems around 30 million €) of rental. in such case, if I did not understand badly, it occurs how many times I have wondered on the forum and that is: how can a hull fishing 18,5 meters (if the data provided are authentic) enter a floating basin (the vanguard) that at the most immerses you of 16?
It is clear that it will be necessary to lighten as much as possible the wreck in order to reduce its fishing as well as to reduce the liquid loads that represent the greatest threat to the stability of the transport (as mentioned in the article. liquid loads impair the stability of a ship.

but here is the hippo... in fact the lightening will involve the outflow of waste as mentioned above.
with the difference that here we are in open sea and not sheltered from moles and dams. that we are in a protected area with all the risks that such an operation could entail.

At this point, I suspect that the hull is in worse conditions than is supposed and that the risks of the train are actually excessive. I would not explain otherwise all doubts, rethinkings, route changes that seem to afflict the second part of the recovery (that apparently simpler).
 
Exatem said:
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At this point, I suspect that the hull is in worse conditions than is supposed and that the risks of the train are actually excessive. I would not explain otherwise all doubts, rethinkings, route changes that seem to afflict the second part of the recovery (that apparently simpler).
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exatem, you're a good person, too good..." you know me!"
 
DANI-3D said:
stop to the installation work of the bins:
http://www.lanazione.it/cronaca/2014/05/02/1059914-cassoni-concordia-galleggiamento.shtml#1Is it a move to make lifting and transport more difficult?
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the news is exceeded as the works are resumed. http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/p/italia/2014/05/02/aqwkkgic-lavori_concordia_ripresi.shtmlapparently a supplement had been required to the removal specification.
as repeatedly on these pages, the coast is full of waste. once embarked on the vanguard, the latter would rise 16 meters allowing all the sea water currently inside, to escape carrying these waste.
a remediation of the ship's interior would be necessary with the presence of the 19 containers and this is the subject of the required supplement.
 
We hope that the operation is confirmed, it would be an oxygen vent for the Ligurian naval sector.
I never believed the vanguard hypothesis, it would have been very spectacular, but also very risky, possible that a ship raises a greater than her?
Perhaps, this hypothesis, was set up as a scarf to lower the price to more feasible solutions.
 
enri said:
they have chosen genova, but the official decision will be taken in mid-June. no vanguard (and booking? ), the trailer. But they have to stop the foul? Technically how does a trailer like that happen?http://genova.repubblica.it/cronaca...enova_il_20_luglio_lascia_il_giglio-87625806/http://www.corriere.it/cronache/14_...no-c2fea934-e7d4-11e3-bc61-842949f24f5a.shtml
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the final decision must be taken by 16 June. piombino will be felt supported by the Tuscan region for a sort of "resurgence" of the damage immediately. inltre now there is also the "case" of the lucchini... We'll see.
DANI-3D said:
We hope that the operation is confirmed, it would be an oxygen vent for the Ligurian naval sector.
I never believed the vanguard hypothesis, it would have been very spectacular, but also very risky, possible that a ship raises a greater than her?
Perhaps, this hypothesis, was set up as a scarf to lower the price to more feasible solutions.
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Can a ship raise another ship? the answer is in this photo:
van.webpand in the concept of "push reserve".

if the ship that dives has a sufficient thrust reserve can raise another even very heavy. It seems to me that the vanguard has 120.000 tons of lifting capacity (but it is a data on which I go to memory therefore with all the risks that this entails).
Er Presidente said:
la rimorchiano...
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I know what your dots mean. . .
 

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