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[DANI-3D]

and in the concept of "push reserve".

if the ship that dives has a sufficient thrust reserve can raise another even very heavy. It seems to me that the vanguard has 120.000 tons of lifting capacity (but it is a data on which I go to memory therefore with all the risks that this entails).

Yes, I had already seen what it can carry. but there is a substantial difference, the platform is born to be transported, the concord is not... and to make a structure that allows to lift it and transport it safely seems to me a somewhat rash project.

 

[marcof]

that the ropes will be very robust. . .

so the trailers can "park" it with a spectacular headboard without waiting for it to stop before turning it, for example, 180°...

 

[Exatem]

Yes, I had already seen what it can carry. but there is a substantial difference, the platform is born to be transported, the concord is not... and to make a structure that allows to lift it and transport it safely seems to me a somewhat rash project.

Who said that?
when a ship is in dry dock, rests for the length of the keel on wooden heels (there are some my posts on the topic).
the famine basin, for its purposes, is indifferent if it is in masonry (so fixed) or floating. therefore the vanguard other is than a large basin of floating, self-propelled deflation.

then who says a platform was born to be transported? the same definition of the term :flat and solid structure artificially created with various material, soil level or higher position, which serves as a basis for various uses i.e. a "stop" structure, certainly not made to leave around.
the vanguard solution has some advantages. not as much can be said about the safety of the environment because of the inevitable spillage of the liquids currently held in the wreck.

 

[DANI-3D]

Okay, the expert is you so I can't contradict you, I'm the only "exceptional transport" I did is when I put two canoes and two bikes on the machina carrier to go on vacation.
I would be very curious to see the lifting and transport of the concord by vanguard, although this would mean that it would end its last trip outside Italy.

 

[Exatem]

Okay, the expert is you so I can't contradict you, I'm the only "exceptional transport" I did is when I put two canoes and two bikes on the machina carrier to go on vacation.
I would be very curious to see the lifting and transport of the concord by vanguard, although this would mean that it would end its last trip outside Italy.

I would also be curious to see how the vanguard can "get rid of" the concord considered the already described fishing problems of the wreck.

 

[enri]

I assume it is very complicated to pick up the concord, they have to stop the foul, empty the compartments of water, and all that increases the fishing, remove the dumps, and hope that during the journey, something is not lost on the street, and that not "bumps" is so or is it wrong?

 

[Er Presidente]

I assume it is very complicated to pick up the concord, they have to stop the foul, empty the compartments of water, and all that increases the fishing, remove the dumps, and hope that during the journey, something is not lost on the street, and that not "bumps" is so or is it wrong?

I don't think they're taking off the dumpsters.
Maybe they'll pick her up like that.


p.s.: "to know that during the journey," I agree, they definitely hope for something, but I have the doubt if they are hoping for what we hope...:frown:

 

[Exatem]

I assume it is very complicated to pick up the concord, they have to stop the foul, empty the compartments of water, and all that increases the fishing, remove the dumps, and hope that during the journey, something is not lost on the street, and that not "bumps" is so or is it wrong?

No, no. That's how they pick it up with the dumpsters.
It seems to me that there is not much clarity about how the transport of the wreck should take place.
I'm trying to make it clear.
after the perfectly successful operation of the rectification of the wreck to the same is in progress the application of the floating tanks also on the wall of straight (the one that had remained under water) even with some difficulty (2 dumps they have unleashed).
when all the bins are placed, the ship will be floating and will be detached from the platform on which it currently stands up to reach an immersion of 18,5 meters (so I read).
at that point there are two options, boarding on vanguard or trailer.

- in the first case, the vanguard, a self-propelled floating basin, after having prepared the floor of the notches on we must lay the famine of the condordy, flood the savoury cases until dipping for 16 meters (and here my doubt... there are still 2.5 meters. Once it is correctly positioned, the ballasts are emptied and the vanguard begins to emerge by lifting with it even the concord. emerging, the hull of the concord begins to emptiness pouring into the sea all that is still inside and with all the problems that this entails. when the vanguard has finished emptying the crates, it regains its float with the concord "on the groppa" and can head, alone, towards the port destined to demolition.

- in the second case the concordia, in autonomous float even if due to the dumps, is detached from the base of support. still remains immersed for 18,5 meters. is "attached" by trailers and towed to destination. the speed of trailer is limited and to travel the distance lily-genova, will take 4/5 days. you need a perfect condimeteo window.
remains the doubt of what the waters contained in the wreck during the tow I remember, will go through the whole "sanctuary of the cetaceans".

If I wasn't clear, ask yourself.

 

[Exatem]

I add that the foul is not in any case stopped.

 

[enri]

I had previously hypothesized the trailer with the dumpsters, said it was impossible, so I didn't understand. :Smile: Of course the resistance of those so against water should not be irrelevant.

 

[Exatem]

I had previously hypothesized the trailer with the dumpsters, said it was impossible, so I didn't understand. :Smile: Of course the resistance of those so against water should not be irrelevant.

I don't think I ever said it was impossible unless the alzaimer... .

 

[DANI-3D]

seems that, sea permitting, within a couple of weeks will begin the reelinghttp://www.theparbucklingproject.com/article/83/al_via_la_fase_conclusiva_del_progetto_di_rimozionegreetings

 

[Exatem]

seems that, sea permitting, within a couple of weeks will begin the reelinghttp://www.theparbucklingproject.com/article/83/al_via_la_fase_conclusiva_del_progetto_di_rimozionegreetings

at this moment I find myself at the antipodes of the sea that is, in the mountains... I don't have any other news except the tg but it seems to me that yesterday the last push bag has been installed so technically we are now.... The problems seem to me that they are coming from the judiciary that does not allow demolition until the end of the process (or so I seem to have understood).

 

[Er Presidente]

at this moment I find myself at the antipodes of the sea that is, in the mountains... I don't have any other news except the tg but it seems to me that yesterday the last push bag has been installed so technically we are now.... The problems seem to me that they are coming from the judiciary that does not allow demolition until the end of the process (or so I seem to have understood).

All right, they're putting the last cassone and before the bathing season (!) they'll have finished the float tests.

Can I make some bets?

- The evidence will be fine.
- the tow will have to be done urgently (with all the crap in there you risk ruining the island)
- the trip will go overnight (they need to invent any security reason)

When is the next new moon? :wink:

 

[Exatem]

... the journey will be at night. .

But to go to genova at that speed of nights it takes five... will they wait for an eclipse?

 

[Er Presidente]

But to go to genova at that speed of nights it takes five... will they wait for an eclipse?

I read now, it will take 5 days, so 5 long nights, dark...:biggrin:

p.s.

 

[Exatem]

an interesting video in hd shot by the carabinieri:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k70cy6uw_aIn the meantime, it seems that the 14th will start floating operations. It is about lifting the wreck of 12 meters bringing the dive from the current 30 to 18.

 

[enri]

I do not understand one thing, but because they do not place it over the vanguard if there are risks, they have also booked it by paying, if it is for a matter of problems them, the state imposes it, if the sea suddenly grows up the risk is not little, then other than straightening, go to take to 700 meters of depth.

 

[Exatem]

I do not understand one thing, but because they do not place it over the vanguard if there are risks, they have also booked it by paying, if it is for a matter of problems them, the state imposes it, if the sea suddenly grows up the risk is not little, then other than straightening, go to take to 700 meters of depth.

probably because the concord at the end of the lift will still weigh 18 meters while the vanguard can dive to the maximum of 16. http://www.dockwise.com/page/fleet/vanguard.htmlat least 3 meters away. without contradicting the fact that putting it in full emersion, would result in the dissection of all waste within it including sea water.
but I think I've said it several times.. .

 

[enri]

but there was to be a plan b, because if they had sent it to the Turks, however they had to charge it, if the year booked a way must be, that I know, to get to a fishing of 16.