personal project selection

[Alex_M]

Good evening to all,
I hope I have taken the right section!
I would like to point out that I am completely acerbic in using these software but I have in mind to make two projects and I need to understand which program to start studying to achieve what I have mind!
I am a computer enthusiast and I need to design and draw a case per pc a little particular, consisting of various pieces and then let me cut it to the cnc.
I need to draw the various sheet metal parts with related hooks, folds, holes with thread and inks.
I was wondering which program is most suitable for my purpose and I was evaluating inventor, but honestly I don't know if it then allows me to pull out the ready files for the cnc or I have to pass for other software. the thing that attracts me particularly of inventor is the possibility (correct me if I am mistaken) to draw the pieces and then “assemble them” and see if they match the various holes, the pits and the various screws, as well as to see visually how the finished project would come. I was seeing autocad and autocad mechanical... I mean, I'm in the high sea and I hope you can direct me!
thanks in advance,
alessandro

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

any medium-range cad like inventor, solid edge, solidworks, I create what you need. models the individual parts, revenues the developments, steps to the cnc, make assembly, incastri verifications etc...
but if you don't know anything about cad instead of learning a paid software you should try to learn
a free one like freecad

 

[Alex_M]

any medium-range cad like inventor, solid edge, solidworks, I create what you need. models the individual parts, revenues the developments, steps to the cnc, make assembly, incastri verifications etc...
but if you don't know anything about cad instead of learning a paid software you should try to learn
a free one like freecad

Meanwhile thank you for the answer!
I agree with you starting from a free, but being a project that I would like to bring to a next level of the simple hobby, I would like to study a complete and "definitive" program.
If you can, would you tell me what inventor differs from autocad mechanical? Which one is more complete and offers me more tools? Whereas in addition to folded and perforated sheets there could also be a bit more complex pieces with welds (you can do to cnc?) or special processing!
Moreover, what allows me to obtain a realistic 3d rendering from the technical design?

p.s. all programs allow you to save the file ready for cnc?

Thank you so much!

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Since you don't know anything about it, not only at the level of software seems to me at least stunned by you to feel free software not only because it is free.
If you prefer to pay a few thousand euros, or a hundred a month for rent, I don't question your choice.
inventor, autocad, autocad mechanical... if you know how to use them are equvalent. the first native for the three-dimensional the othernatives for the two-dimensional. This does not mean that you can not use the first as a tecnigraph and others to make a 3d shuttle with a lot of rendering.

Whereas in addition to folded and perforated sheets there could also be a bit more complex pieces with welds (can be done to cnc? )

I think you don't even know anything about design and or simple mechanical technique. . it would be better to ask a friend who knows mechanical development and a software one hand and agree on the price. savings in software, time and fast implementation

 

[marcok625]

Hi.
I would also recommend you try to download free software and try to use it right to make an idea. Then you can also look for inventor who is a great program and also very intuitive according to me.
Given the questions you asked, I agree with Masses on helping you or even getting you to do the mechanical side project by someone competent. It is not a simple project what you have in mind, for you seem 4 folded and welded sheets, but behind there are reasonings that require a lot of experience to find the right compromise.
I am in your condition but in reverse, in the sense that I am carrying out my personal project and I am studying how to plan with arduino to begin and now I am studying the lua.
greetings

 

[Stan9411]

your problem is not cad, but mechanical training.. the learning curve of a cad is extremely soft until you extrude cubes and cylinders, but it becomes steep when you need to design something that is feasible and performs to certain features.
I also recommend you to rely on those who know a minimum and have access to licenses (university students often have complete software versions but their licenses should not be used for profit).

 

[TAURUS77]

Since you don't know anything about it, not only at the level of software seems to me at least stunned by you to feel free software not only because it is free.
If you prefer to pay a few thousand euros, or a hundred a month for rent, I don't question your choice.
inventor, autocad, autocad mechanical... if you know how to use them are equvalent. the first native for the three-dimensional the othernatives for the two-dimensional. This does not mean that you can not use the first as a tecnigraph and others to make a 3d shuttle with a lot of rendering.

I think you don't even know anything about design and or simple mechanical technique. . it would be better to ask a friend who knows mechanical development and a software one hand and agree on the price. savings in software, time and fast implementation

I agree with massivonweizen, the fact that freecad is free does not mean that it is scarce.....certo will not be at the most blasoned levels but know very well the fact of his....if someone before shouting at the scandal to the hearing "free" went to document ben ben ben benign on the site and on the net will soon notice that for many uses more than domestic is more than sufficent.

 

[TAURUS77]

I add this official video

 

[Alex_M]

Hello everyone!
I answer only now because this morning I could not access the forum in any way!
@massivonweizen Maybe I felt bad! I never said that a free software is less valued, indeed! but having the opportunity to use these programs (I would use the trial version a month to take care of it and then do the job together with a friend with the student license), I would like to study a software that has ample potential for anything!
Of course, I confirm that I do not have any competence in this matter, nor technical or design, but as a strictly personal project I like to break my head and do it myself, so much I have no time problems since there is a deadline!

would you be so kind to explain to me this thing you said better?

inventor, autocad, autocad mechanical... if you know how to use them are equvalent. the first native for the three-dimensional the othernatives for the two-dimensional. This does not mean that you can not use the first as a tecnigraph and others to make a 3d shuttle with a lot of rendering.

because of my technical limitations I did not grasp the concept... If you are equal where you should use one and where the other? and in what do they differ? in the technical design of the various components are the instruments equal from one program to another?

Thank you very much for your patience!
@marcok625 I know it's not a simple project, unfortunately! as I know that starting from scratch with something like this is not the easiest way, but as I said before it is a project that I would like to carry on more for passion than for anything else, doing it by someone would lose my taste of doing it but above all would not give me the chance to make changes in progress! That's why the idea of being able to virtually assemble the pieces and see the finished result was so much breeding!
@stan9411 in fact I would use the school license of my friend, of course without any purpose of profit!
Your emails Thank you so much for the video! I'm watching tonight!

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

If your friend already has the software it seems absurd to think about learning a different software. learn that

design doesn't just mean making the 3d model to see if everything is right; design means knowing how to make technical choices according to what you want to achieve with knowledge of cause, especially if you then think about making changes in progress.
basic questions: how long do you make the case sheet? from 1/10 and then maybe it gets stuck when you lean over the phone or from 5/10 and then you can't even lift it? How and where do you give them backup to stiffen the structure? how big the inside and how do you have to place the components to allow the fan to function properly? ....

I do not want to diminish your enthusiasm, but make you realize that a modeling software and a cnc are the last of the knowledge steps.
that then to make a house I think the cnc is quite useless

 

[stefanobruno]

inventor is a parametric cad, whatever you do, change two odds and change the piece to flight.
with autocad, once you have a piece done, if you have to change it, even slightly, they are cabbage.
in the month of the test, alone, you learn nothing, especially for the sheets, folds and various inks.
if you don't have a base of mechanics or light carpentry, you're risk of getting stuck in an amen.
If your friend is good, let me help you right away, working together helps.
If your friend gives you his own educational license, without cooperating, pass in the wrong field, even if you do not do it for profit, the license is his and you cannot use it.
passes to free programs, the time you learn, from nothing, is the same, but at least do not expire.
as regards the product "homes ", how do you assess the cooling flows? A nose?
You're picking up the cards, the components and the connections you need to do and then model them and insert them into the volume you're creating?
And finally, you find someone who does the work you designed, clearly after you spotted who can do what, you have any idea how much it will cost you?
with what you will spend, in euro and dedicated time, you will be able to buy nothing but a pc made and finished with those freaking gaming.

 

[+forte]

Good evening to all,
I hope I have taken the right section!
I would like to point out that I am completely acerbic in using these software but I have in mind to make two projects and I need to understand which program to start studying to achieve what I have mind!
I am a computer enthusiast and I need to design and draw a case per pc a little particular, consisting of various pieces and then let me cut it to the cnc.
I need to draw the various sheet metal parts with related hooks, folds, holes with thread and inks.
I was wondering which program is most suitable for my purpose and I was evaluating inventor, but honestly I don't know if it then allows me to pull out the ready files for the cnc or I have to pass for other software. the thing that attracts me particularly of inventor is the possibility (correct me if I am mistaken) to draw the pieces and then “assemble them” and see if they match the various holes, the pits and the various screws, as well as to see visually how the finished project would come. I was seeing autocad and autocad mechanical... I mean, I'm in the high sea and I hope you can direct me!
thanks in advance,
alessandro

you could start with https://www.protocasedesigner.com/

and then maybe take a trip on sites like https://www.instructables.com/ where so many guys share their own projects as well as houses per pc

 

[stefanobruno]

you could start with https://www.protocasedesigner.com/

interesting, and they build it for you.

 

[Alex_M]

@massivonweizen

If your friend already has the software it seems absurd to think about learning a different software. learn that

My friend is starting a course of studies and would have at their disposal all 3... for this I was wondering what it is best to dedicate!

design doesn't just mean making the 3d model to see if everything is right; design means knowing how to make technical choices according to what you want to achieve with knowledge of cause, especially if you then think about making changes in progress.
basic questions: how long do you make the case sheet? from 1/10 and then maybe it gets stuck when you lean over the phone or from 5/10 and then you can't even lift it? How and where do you give them backup to stiffen the structure? how big the inside and how do you have to place the components to allow the fan to function properly? . .

I recognize my limits in the design field and I know very well that I will meet many issues on which "I want" to bang the head. High-end pc assembly for years, I know exactly how and where to place the components for everything to work. what I miss are the technical skills of design, of course, but since it is a personal thing to do for hobby and I have no deadlines I have all the time to study things one step after another, do research and deepen! for this I have asked, by virtue of the work I have to go to do, what program I should like to deepen and why!

I do not want to diminish your enthusiasm, but make you realize that a modeling software and a cnc are the last of the knowledge steps.
that then to make a house I think the cnc is quite useless

Don't forget my enthusiasm, indeed... the more challenge and the more it becomes interesting! We're here to talk, aren't we? Can I ask why you think the cnc is useless?
@ Stefanobruno

inventor is a parametric cad, whatever you do, change two odds and change the piece to flight.
with autocad, once you have a piece done, if you have to change it, even slightly, they are cabbage.

That's interesting. Can you explain it to me a little better?

in the month of the test, alone, you learn nothing, especially for the sheets, folds and various inks. if you don't have a base of mechanics or light carpentry, you're risk of getting stuck in an amen.
If your friend is good, let me help you right away, working together helps.
If your friend gives you his own educational license, without cooperating, pass in the wrong field, even if you do not do it for profit, the license is his and you cannot use it.
passes to free programs, the time you learn, from nothing, is the same, but at least do not expire.
as regards the product "homes ", how do you assess the cooling flows? A nose?
You're picking up the cards, the components and the connections you need to do and then model them and insert them into the volume you're creating?

I know that in the test month I will understand little and nothing but I can at least start to become familiar! My friend wouldn't loan me the license but it would be a job done together, but as for all things I like to understand and bang my head in person. free programs I have seen them and evaluated but more for personal knowledge than anything else. Having available the autodesk I don't think it makes sense to invest in other energies, however having to start from the most total zero! It's a bit like having office practice on open office doing the same things but it's much more limited! as I said before the operation of a pc, the disposition of the pieces and the flow of air and liquid that they have to pass inside me are clear... as to structure it I have a design in the head derived from the experience of the many houses that I disassembled and reassembled with the addition of ideas that I would very calmly try to make it concrete!

And finally, you find someone who does the work you designed, clearly after you spotted who can do what, you have any idea how much it will cost you?
with what you will spend, in euro and dedicated time, you will be able to buy nothing but a pc made and finished with those freaking gaming.

not having clear ideas I moved to great lines on this... I know that it will take me a long time and that the expense will be important, but if I am doing it is because I would like something different and more personal than what the market currently offers!
@+forte funny protocasedesigner, a look I can give us! as rigurda instructables there are various projects but are mainly modding of old pcs or just a little more...

 

[stefanobruno]

parametric means I make a parallelepiped with sides 10 x 20 x 30, then I find that instead of 10 I need 15, I change that value and the piece adapts to the new measure, to the infinite.
with autocad, I build the parallelepipedo and, if I want to change it, I have to add another solid and join it to the previous one, if I want to reduce it I have to make a solid of the excess part and then subtract it.
I don't know if it's still worth with the latest versions of autocad, it may have become more flexible, certainly not at the level of inventor.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Can I ask why you think the cnc is useless?

because if the sheet prepares it already perforated and shaped then it is only to fold (and also here opens a world of knowledge not to laugh).
In fact the laser cutting machine is to be considered a cnc, but I am quite convinced that you had in mind machines like lathe and milled.

 

[Stan9411]

uses inventor that is parametric, now almost everyone has been oriented for years towards parametric modeling. It is much easier to go back into your modeling to make changes to the project. even if in the future you want to avail yourself of freecad the logic is that, although it is (in my opinion) less intuitive and complete than inventor.
in any case if the license is not yours you could not use it ... but we are looking at the fur in the egg: If you use your friend's pc, presumably in his presence, you don't hurt anyone. So much the autodesk was paid by your friend’s university, your friend pays his university and voluntarily decides to make you use a stuff that has “indirectly bought” . the only thing that does not transige is that you can’t market what you plan.

 

[Alex_M]

@massivonweizen

because if the sheet prepares it already perforated and shaped then it is only to fold (and also here opens a world of knowledge not to laugh).
In fact the laser cutting machine is to be considered a cnc, but I am quite convinced that you had in mind machines like lathe and milled.

No absolutely! When I talk about cnc I think mostly about laser cutting. I'm gonna need some more. I know that it will seem madness to you to try something like this without skills, but I'm just trying to understand something about a totally new world to me, so I ask everything that goes through my head (although risking to look stupid) to people who know it infinitely more than me just to try to learn!
@stan9411

uses inventor that is parametric, now almost everyone has been oriented for years towards parametric modeling. It is much easier to go back into your modeling to make changes to the project. even if in the future you want to avail yourself of freecad the logic is that, although it is (in my opinion) less intuitive and complete than inventor.

Very well! At lunch I was reading that many use autocad mechanics to make the 2d, which has many objects like screws, threads, etc. already ready, and then import into inventor for the 3d. is it a correct thing?
I attach you some images of already existing pieces but which represent a big way what I have to do. of course shapes and sizes are different but make the idea pretty good!

in any case if the license is not yours you could not use it ... but we are looking at the fur in the egg: If you use your friend's pc, presumably in his presence, you don't hurt anyone. So much the autodesk was paid by your friend’s university, your friend pays his university and voluntarily decides to make you use a stuff that has “indirectly bought” . the only thing that does not transige is that you can’t market what you plan.

fully agree with you in everything!

 

[Stan9411]

the objects in figure 3 and 4 models and assemblies in a few days following the basic tutorials found within inventor. other objects are made with the sheet module, which I personally do not know, but I believe that in 1-2 weeks of “study” you could become quite operational on that too. Of course, I'm telling you to copy an object you see in the photo or you're actually underhanded. When you have to think about it, you are another pair of sleeves: you have to have in mind in advance functionality, thicknesses, bulk and feasibility before even taking the mouse in hand. but I see you determined and I think that for a simple carpentry it can come to head even being novice of this world.

I believe that all the parametric cads have the tools to derive on the table a thread in standard (because you do not come from the mechanical field I do not assume that you know that a thread does not put on the table drawing it physically .. there is a graphic representation in norm easy to identify even if you are a boy of the technical institute). Clearly those of the autodesk must also sell autocad and therefore make you pass it as unpredictable to do things 2d.. but now from a good 3d pull out perfect boards.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

At lunch I was reading that many use autocad mechanics to make the 2d, which has many objects like screws, threads, etc. already ready, and then import into inventor for the 3d. is it a correct thing?

is a thing that makes little sense because inventor already has its own library of all, or almost, standardized standards. what does not have them on the net on sites, such as tracepart, where there are thousands of standards in 3d or 2d. other site where you find models of various kinds is grabcad.