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coast concordia and cheerful

exatem said:
there is no peace for coast cruises.
I don't have much news because I'm in the white week and tg and newspapers are banned.
But one thing is certain.
luck is blind but the loser sees us very well.
In fact, after the minchite of sketch that we have widely discussed, here is another huge tile knocking down on the company, and while the skewer was hiding behind "it's just a black out", this time the black out is real and the ship, without energy, is drifting into the ocean.
Fortunately the fire measures, which on the ships are particularly severe, seem to have worked.
But maybe they won't save the company. this could indeed be "definitive" for the fate of coast.
but not only.
ships like these do not only take to walk for the seas, triple inflated money and heires bored.
as I repeat often, you should go beyond with your gaze. In fact, behind stuccoes and mirrors, there is all induced with the work of thousands of people who now fear for their future.
When you return to the accident, do you know what a huge problem you will find at these times to have to sprinkle on board the cheerful?
The toilets...
There's little laughing... food is not lacking even if kitchens do not work, but without energy hygiene services are "out" and with over 1000 people for 4 or 5 days... There is little to be "joy"!
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the "paperino" (emergency generators) what can they do? :confused:

Strange, but a ship like that wasn't taken into account by pirates infesting the area... even if I heard that even on the cheerful there were a couple of the san marco... known in india for the bullets "with the curve" that fired from 40 meters of height perforate the boats from below up...:mad:
 
Oldwarper said:
the "paperino" (emergency generators) what can they do? :confused:

Strange, but a ship like that wasn't taken into account by pirates infesting the area... even if I heard that even on the cheerful there were a couple of the san marco... known in india for the bullets "with the curve" that fired from 40 meters of height perforate the boats from below up...:mad:
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already... I have the impression that in this matter (that of Indian fishermen) the truth will never come "a galla"
 
PierArg said:
already... I have the impression that in this matter (that of Indian fishermen) the truth will never come "a galla"
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Well, I got an idea...
We put the military on our ships so the Indian pirates can't seize them. . .
Then the Indian government thinks about seizing them to compensate them for lack of profit...:mixed: rotfl!! !

a little like the English corsairs... something from former colony if they remember it...:biggrin:

I agree. There will be a secret "transaction" (there is talk of 350k euro, a bazzecola... You don't even buy us a house in the suburbs from us...) and everything will be put to silence.
 
Oldwarper said:
the "paperino" (emergency generators) what can they do? :confused:
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it seems only the electrical systems of emergency and communication. less bad than from "glass ship" did not turn into " crystal hell".
that attached is an image of the "annie johnson" that is the cheerful before it was purchased and transformed into a cruise ship.
 

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Oldwarper said:
the "paperino" (emergency generators) what can they do? :confused:

Strange, but a ship like that wasn't taken into account by pirates infesting the area... even if I heard that even on the cheerful there were a couple of the san marco... known in india for the bullets "with the curve" that fired from 40 meters of height perforate the boats from below up...:mad:
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but is it not possible that the bullets are "rebounded" with water (flat stone effect) and so hit the Indians?
 
more than anything, the fact that the farmer was pulled by a trawler, does not give "rights" to the trawler himself on the ship? or just laugh at them?

I don't remember what marine law says on the rescue of ships in the avaria... or must be abandoned... ? ? ?

and then what does the captain say that the ship "was not compatible" with the trailers? Was it for an improvised train?
 
myface said:
but is it not possible that the bullets are "rebounded" with water (flat stone effect) and so hit the Indians?
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If this is the law of Jacob makes us three points of voyager:biggrin:
Oldwarper said:
more than anything, the fact that the farmer was pulled by a trawler, does not give "rights" to the trawler himself on the ship? or just laugh at them?
I don't remember what marine law says on the rescue of ships in the avaria... or must be abandoned... ? ? ?
and then what does the captain say that the ship "was not compatible" with the trailers? Was it for an improvised train?
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on what will be the compensation to be recognized to the French vessel will take care of the insurance company. However, the vessel, like any other ship, is obliged to rescue a ship in the avary. This, however, is not entitled to any right on the property of the same as the ship has not been abandoned, it is not a drifting wreck.
I remember that instead for the concord, the cf of the Coast Guard said to sketch "from now I command" precisely because the abandon ship had been ordered and therefore the competence passed by hand.
I don't know what to say.
I'm not home and I have no news about it. I only heard a tg in which it was said that the commander had attempted the simultaneous trailer from the vessel and a trailer to have a greater speed but that he then preferred to give up for stability problems.
I don't know.
 
exatem said:
However, the vessel, like any other ship, is obliged to rescue a ship in the avary.
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I do not know if the navigation of height has other laws, but in coastal navigation the only obligation (of law, not only moral) is to help people, not the boat. If it is not possible to rescue people (they are too many and the vessel is small) then it must remain nearby, but it has no obligation to trailer. I repeat, I am sure (I am enabled to command) that is so in navigation within 20 miles, besides I do not know.
exatem said:
This, however, is not entitled to any right on the property of the same as the ship has not been abandoned, it is not a drifting wreck.
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Here too, Articles 491 and 492 of maritime law do not speak clear. if the ship is towed (without the "expressed and reasonable" refusal of the commander) the rescuer has the right, in addition to the compensation of any damage reported, also to a not better defined compensation proportional to the value of the saved good.
This means that if I pick up the allegra I have the right to ask for a compensation equal to the commercial value of the ship. This does not, of course, mean that I am granted this right, on the contrary, is quite unlikely.

with the abandonment ship the situation is different. the ship at that time becomes a wreck, and it is of those who find it.
exatem said:
I don't know what to say.
I'm not home and I have no news about it.
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is it not that "compatible" means "close enough"? However, ok that a trailer is a boat designed to pick up, but it must be taken into account that a high-rise vessel is not exactly a rhyme-shaped wet...it could be much bigger than the trailer.
 
Fulvio Romano said:
... the only obligation (by law, not only moral) is to help people, not the boat. If it is not possible to rescue people (they are too many and the vessel is small) then it must remain nearby, but it has no obligation to trailer. I repeat, I am sure (I am enabled to command) that is so in navigation within 20 miles, besides I do not know.
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It seemed to me that it was clear that the rescue was reported to people but obviously it was not. However, the obligation to provide relief remains.
thanks to the clarification.
Fulvio Romano said:
...isn't that "compatible" means "close enough"? However, ok that a trailer is a boat designed to pick up, but it must be taken into account that a high-rise vessel is not exactly a rhyme-shaped wet...it could be much bigger than the trailer.
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I heard that the trailer (in fact, if I didn't get it wrong I am 2) arrived in the area and took to pick up the cheerful but then the commander thought it was preferable the trailer given by the vessel.

However, I do not go beyond maritime law. I am not aware of matter.
 
exatem said:
It seemed to me that it was clear that the rescue was reported to people but obviously it was not. However, the obligation to provide relief remains.
thanks to the clarification.



I heard that the trailer (in fact, if I didn't get it wrong I am 2) arrived in the area and took to pick up the cheerful but then the commander thought it was preferable the trailer given by the vessel.

However, I do not go beyond maritime law. I am not aware of matter.
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depends on the trailers sent. If they were port, I think they didn't have big powers. the peach still had 5000kw, therefore a power not at the level of oceanic trailers, but still of all respect (the cheerful has 20,000kw installed, but at least half' is reserved for electricity on board). I mean, it wasn't a "parance." :redface:

They complained about the poor speed (6 knots), but I don't think that even for reasons of stability (ship without control, without stabilizers, not even the timones) you can go so far. We remember that we are not in Adriatic, but in the ocean.
 
Oldwarper said:
depends on the trailers sent. If they were port, I think they didn't have big powers. the peach still had 5000kw, therefore a power not at the level of oceanic trailers, but still of all respect (the cheerful has 20,000kw installed, but at least half' is reserved for electricity on board). I mean, it wasn't a "parance." :redface:

They complained about the poor speed (6 knots), but I don't think that even for reasons of stability (ship without control, without stabilizers, not even the timones) you can go so far. We remember that we are not in Adriatic, but in the ocean.
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by your lips...:biggrin:
As I said, I'm in a white week and I have no news if not something heard on the radio on the chair.
Monday I am unfortunately again in the office and I document myself. :mixed:

However the operation went well, the ship arrived at port. Now it will have to be put in condition to arrive at a repair yard, I do not think that the seychelles are equipped for such a job.
 
I saw that on the d-max channel tomorrow night or Tuesday evening:confused: they make a special on the sinking of the concord.. .
 
radio said:
this evening on heaven, at 21.00, documentary of the national geographic on the disaster.

Bye.
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also on d-max this evening at 21.00. what I indicated last week was wrong as date, it referred to today Tuesday 13.

that is the same as they do on heaven? I suppose so.
 
radio said:
this evening on heaven, at 21.00, documentary of the national geographic on the disaster.

Bye.
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quoton,
I saw it a few days ago directly on national geographical channel.

It was really impressive!
well done both as content and as video editing (they took the official ones of the divers of the firefighters).

I highly recommend to everyone to see it
 

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