Tequila
Guest
these things make the phrase "Sometimes, ignorance is good" of a character of the film matrix is truthful. . .
Oldwarper
Guest
For me it is a sign of the very serious deterioration of human relations and humanity in the broad sense of the term. If you save a person and his first thought later is how to denounce you to pull up some euro, we are really hurt and we deserve extinction.
If you need four clicks of a group of cocainemen exalted behind a consul of the city to spoil and starve whole countries or entire continents for your own evil thirst of power (the famous "battle of bet" of the duke brothers) we really deserve to be exterminated by an asteroid.
Exatem
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apparently the "debunkering" of the concord is about to begin.
the activity of bunkerage consists in supplying of petroleum products the ships for their own consumption (motor of propulsion and diesel alternators).
the products used are distillates of oil, such as fuel oil of the category "havy residual oil" generally called "fuel oil" (fo) and diesel (especially for smaller and faster engines).
the first is a typical “black” or “sporco” product, while the oil is considered “white” or “clean”. a more refined fuel in the "diesel oil"(do) category can be used in the start and maneuver stages. deposits and circuits for boarding, disembarkation, travase and fuel service must be approved by the class register (for the rena, ref. part. c, chapt 1, sect 10, 11 fuel oil system.
the circuits are divided into - boarding / landing, travaded and, service. the travased circuit serves, as it is understood by name, to travasare the fuel from one case to another for example for reasons of stability and thirst and, to travasare the fuel from one case to the decantation cases. the deposits for the fuel oil are heated, as well as the circuit, to decrease its viscosity. the fo is transferred into the decantation cases through the travased pumps and from here to the system of purification of filters and separators to centriguga.
the "smit salvage", a Dutch company specialized in this type of operations that in 2001 had taken care of the safety of the Russian submarine kursk.
Dutch technicians have surrounded the ship with a cordon of floating barriers, the "pannes", whose task is to contain any losses. then the 20 cases can be completely empty.
It will be a long and complex operation, which will last from two to four weeks and will involve 15 tankers on which the fuel aspirated by the wreck will be stored.
Dutch technicians will use the hot-tapping technique, i.e., they will drill the tanks of the ship and, after preheating the oil to reduce the density caused by the low temperatures of these days, will pump it on the ships support. At the same time, in order to maintain unchanged the weight, they will inject in the water tanks of sea.
but how much will this cost?
At the moment it is difficult to say: in 2007 the company louis hellenic cruises spends 4.5 million euros only to empty the tanks of the diamond sea, a ship large less than half of the concord, 143 meters long with 1,156 tourists and 391 members of the crew, shipwrecked off of santorini on 6 April 2007 after the impact with a snare.
the activity of bunkerage consists in supplying of petroleum products the ships for their own consumption (motor of propulsion and diesel alternators).
the products used are distillates of oil, such as fuel oil of the category "havy residual oil" generally called "fuel oil" (fo) and diesel (especially for smaller and faster engines).
the first is a typical “black” or “sporco” product, while the oil is considered “white” or “clean”. a more refined fuel in the "diesel oil"(do) category can be used in the start and maneuver stages. deposits and circuits for boarding, disembarkation, travase and fuel service must be approved by the class register (for the rena, ref. part. c, chapt 1, sect 10, 11 fuel oil system.
the circuits are divided into - boarding / landing, travaded and, service. the travased circuit serves, as it is understood by name, to travasare the fuel from one case to another for example for reasons of stability and thirst and, to travasare the fuel from one case to the decantation cases. the deposits for the fuel oil are heated, as well as the circuit, to decrease its viscosity. the fo is transferred into the decantation cases through the travased pumps and from here to the system of purification of filters and separators to centriguga.
the "smit salvage", a Dutch company specialized in this type of operations that in 2001 had taken care of the safety of the Russian submarine kursk.
Dutch technicians have surrounded the ship with a cordon of floating barriers, the "pannes", whose task is to contain any losses. then the 20 cases can be completely empty.
It will be a long and complex operation, which will last from two to four weeks and will involve 15 tankers on which the fuel aspirated by the wreck will be stored.
Dutch technicians will use the hot-tapping technique, i.e., they will drill the tanks of the ship and, after preheating the oil to reduce the density caused by the low temperatures of these days, will pump it on the ships support. At the same time, in order to maintain unchanged the weight, they will inject in the water tanks of sea.
but how much will this cost?
At the moment it is difficult to say: in 2007 the company louis hellenic cruises spends 4.5 million euros only to empty the tanks of the diamond sea, a ship large less than half of the concord, 143 meters long with 1,156 tourists and 391 members of the crew, shipwrecked off of santorini on 6 April 2007 after the impact with a snare.
MBT
Guest
how much consumes a ship, exa, we say at speed of cruise on the 15-16 knots like that of the harmony.
Thus, divided by the number of occupants, we will realize if it consumes more or less than one suv pro-passeggero. . ;-)
Thus, divided by the number of occupants, we will realize if it consumes more or less than one suv pro-passeggero. . ;-)
Tequila
Guest
In fact, my sentence was purely "sarchistic" and I wanted, without so much specification of the case, to say that if for a good action I risk taking a complaint from those who see a possible source of gain, that at my point it would be good to be "gnorrifying" (which is worse than ignorant) and if you find a dying on the street, just ignore it and move on or change the way.
If something like this happens to me and they report me after I saved a life... I say it is okay, if I have to pay for my error of goodness and for trying to do good ok, I pay everything, but first you give me back who I saved that I take his life with my own hands.
Exatem
Guest
it is not so easy to find this data therefore, all with the inventory benefit.
the concordia should mount 6 diesel engines wartsila 12v46c from 11384kw to 514 g/m. 2 21mw electric motors. weigh 176 tons, each, 12 cylinders arranged in v diameter mm 460 stroke mm 580. consumption 172 gr /kw per hour.
MBT
Guest
well, then given the data and proceeding by mental elucubrations we have that:
Suppose using 60% of power
11'384 kw*6*0.6 = 40'982,4 kw
consuming 172 gr/kw/h, the time consuming for the above power is 7'048'973 gr/h, i.e. 7,050 t/h and i.e. 8812.5 liters/h (specific weight 0.80 kg/dm3)
if it proceeds to 21 knots per hour are 38.892 km/h
consumes therefore 0.0044 km/l (!!!!!)
if there are 3700 passengers, the consumption should be divided by each "participant", then 0.0044 *3700= 16.28 km/l
if instead we take off the 1100 crew travelers, the participants become 2600 and the consumption becomes 11.44 km/l
bhe, if the accounts are correct a luxurious sedan consumes more....
Suppose using 60% of power
11'384 kw*6*0.6 = 40'982,4 kw
consuming 172 gr/kw/h, the time consuming for the above power is 7'048'973 gr/h, i.e. 7,050 t/h and i.e. 8812.5 liters/h (specific weight 0.80 kg/dm3)
if it proceeds to 21 knots per hour are 38.892 km/h
consumes therefore 0.0044 km/l (!!!!!)
if there are 3700 passengers, the consumption should be divided by each "participant", then 0.0044 *3700= 16.28 km/l
if instead we take off the 1100 crew travelers, the participants become 2600 and the consumption becomes 11.44 km/l
bhe, if the accounts are correct a luxurious sedan consumes more....
numero1
Guest
Don't worry. for such a tragedy there is always an app ready:dhttp://it.notizie.yahoo.com/blog/wi...eva-salvare-la-concordia-ma-091640775.html?ncI laugh for not crying...
Oldwarper
Guest
I think 21 knots are almost 100%...
I remember that in the day, not "handed" (almost, because the maximum speeds are held at night, otherwise the passengers "fly away" from the bridges), the smokers smoked a lot. . .
There is also to consider that much of the energy is the electricity for the "city" and that the maximum velocity is at night also because the availability of energy is maximum (spegni le luci del casino" and you have 50% more power...:biggrin
it seemed to me to remember that the power of the engines (eliche) was 11kw each, in the Mediterranean... But I might be wrong. ..confused:
I remember that in the day, not "handed" (almost, because the maximum speeds are held at night, otherwise the passengers "fly away" from the bridges), the smokers smoked a lot. . .
There is also to consider that much of the energy is the electricity for the "city" and that the maximum velocity is at night also because the availability of energy is maximum (spegni le luci del casino" and you have 50% more power...:biggrin
it seemed to me to remember that the power of the engines (eliche) was 11kw each, in the Mediterranean... But I might be wrong. ..confused:
MBT
Guest
the order of magnitude of consumption "per capita" is however that...
passing even 90% power, we would end at 7.65 km/l ...
Who has a suv how much?
passing even 90% power, we would end at 7.65 km/l ...
Who has a suv how much?
Exatem
Guest
the fuel used is the ifo380 (ifo stands for intermediate fuel oil). It is one of the main fuels used in marine engines of large size and power. Such fuels are often collectively referred to as bunker fuels. number 380 refers to the measure of viscosity.
maxopus
Guest
But if in a car you put 3 people... the calculation goes to a ball.
if you go in town with electric trams or hydrogen... and the cars remained outside, at the interchange stations
By the way... hydrogen for the car is still a mess but
Where are we?
if you go in town with electric trams or hydrogen... and the cars remained outside, at the interchange stations
By the way... hydrogen for the car is still a mess but
Where are we?
maxopus
Guest
Does minxxia have a more than double viscosity than oil for change and differential?
MBT
Guest
the number of people on board I got it from wikipedia, I hope it's correct... :tongue:
I do not know if it includes Moldova and other entertainers
When did you ever see a car in town with 3 people on board? :frown:
Oldwarper
Guest
...in the parking lot...
If you can make us 4km/liter, I think you're one with a velvet foot.:biggrin:
the data that write on four wheels make them take as a bologna city circuit... yes '...giu' from san luca, with the change in crowds all in brakemotor (so' the control unit "cut" the power) and brake (senno' abs and pompine various "succhiano" power). with the mass that is found arrives on the avenues without even putting the first.:finger:
extra-urban road? down from the pordoi until now.
Oldwarper
Guest
a blue car with white striscies with one behind that always held his hands. . .the number of people on board I got it from wikipedia, I hope it's correct... :tongue:
I do not know if it includes Moldova and other entertainers
When did you ever see a car in town with 3 people on board? :frown:
MBT
Guest
He was praying... he was a very devoted person!
Exatem
Guest
practically goes to tar. . .