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coast concordia and cheerful

this is what “you see” but in reality the differences are more “intime” and concern the service that they themselves have to perform. a modern cruise ship is not only a means of transport but also, above all, a real residential center that must offer countless attractions for passengers of every age.
characteristics of modern cruise ships are: the large number of cabins equipped with external balconies, large glazed surfaces, large public spaces, the large central hall that occupies vertically multiple bridges and which represents the heart of the onboard life.
offering hospitality to 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 people in floating hotels of over 10 floors means preparing a logistic system of exceptional complexity.
- 3,000 passengers and 1,000 crews consume 16,000 meals every day or more than 2 tons of meat, 800 kilos of poultry and as many fish. More than 20,000 pieces between sandwiches, croissants, pasta, etc., 700 liters of milk, 6,000 eggs, 600 kilos of ice cream, 12,000 drinks per day, 650 bottles of wine and champagne, 3,000 cans of beer and almost 6,000 cans of soft drinks.
- to cope with all these needs the ship must have refrigerators and kitchens of enormous capacity, of plants able to dispose daily, in an absolutely ecological way, almost 10 tons of waste, dissalators able to produce 750.000 liters of drinking water, washing machines able to operate on a continuous cycle, air conditioning systems able to maintain constant temperature and humidity in every external condition, etc.; it is also necessary to preview complex circuits of handling for the public board.
- on board, in addition to restaurants, there are numerous public areas: fully equipped cinemas and discos, gyms, fitness and beauty centers, saunas, shops and boutiques - real shopping centers, library, theater.
- the public finally has satellite communication systems that allow to receive television programs, make phone calls, send faxes worldwide.

to transport these “terrestrial” technologies to the marine environment, it was due
aim at what is best available on the market. so to improve comfort, it has been used composite materials, light and soundproofing. technical solutions such as diesel-electric propulsion have been developed to reduce vibration and noise from the engine. cruise ships today are equipped with diesel engines coupled with generators that feed both electric engines of propulsion, and other onboard services. to give an idea of the powers at stake just say that the plant of a ship from 3,000 passengers is able to generate 40 megawatts, enough to feed a city of more than 20,000 inhabitants.
to make it more understandable, I will mention for example some data derived from the experiences matured by the fincantieri which, in order to face the countless technical problems related to the design of the ships from cruise of new generation, had to redefine its relations with the suppliers at the same time managing to cope with the problems related to hydrodynamics, structures, etc.,. thanks to the great experience gained.
for those who had “limited” (if so can be said) to build ships, enter into a different system perspective and the relative technologies, for example, to the hotel system, to the entertainment system, to the conditioning, to the use of innovative materials, etc. was a remarkable step. the fincantieri has had to invent a new phase called "co-design" in which the systems of edge are developed jointly to the supply companies. and if to entrust to the suppliers the design phase and realized has allowed to contain the costs, on the other has made it much more complicated to coordinate and manage the assembly phase. the yard had to assume the role of coordinator succeeding in integrating the activities of the suppliers with that of the company. under the economic aspect, if you consider that a cruise ship costs between 400 and 800 million euros, about six times the cost of a large cargo ship, you must take into account that 75% and beyond is represented by supplies (for a conventional ship you stop to 60%). Here too, there has been great industrialization. if you think that once the cabins were set up by hand with artisanal care, today the same are “modularized” and are shipped practically already finished. this was the result of the improvement of the production phase that allowed a reduction of the construction time from the 19 months of the classical coast to the 16 months of the romantic coast; 23 months for the completion of the statendam, a ship of 55.000 tsl against the 25 months used for the sm princess, a unit of 76,500 tsl.
not within the merit of the financial problems because I would say only cabled but it is clear that the company had to learn how to manage financial issues of particular complexity linked from one side to the high unit value of a cruise ship, from the other to the duration of the construction period.

all this has given rise to a world-wide business, which has had a phase of growth and strong evolution on the level of markets and strategies. This is an activity in which the naval and shipowning component operates in close connection with a wider sector that we could call “free time industry”.
when, about 10 years ago, I climbed on board the classic coast (yes. I was there, and I don't mind if it's tamarro or not!), it made me impression to see the trucks entering the lower deck!
seen from above seemed bburago models in scale 1:24
 
In addition to countless food trucks and more I have seen the download of 6 mt. steel, round, picture, beams to different sizes, like when they bring the stuff to storage for the equipment.

I wondered what they did...:confused:
 
I imagine material in stock for "ready intervention" in case of some avary!
I think it's not easy to find a hardware store in the middle of the Mediterranean. . .
 
Looks like he's taking over the vanguard hypothesis.
by courier of the evening:Now it's really official: will be the vanguard, the largest submarine ship in the world, to remove the wreck of the coast concordia from the island of the lily and take it to the place where it will be demolished. the Dutch company owner of the ship, the dockwise, in fact has awarded a contract from approximately 30 million euros for the transport and removal of the ship ship ship shipwrecked to the lily. the operation should take place in the second half of 2014.I find it difficult to understand how to land a wreck that, according to what is said until now should fish when placed in a float 18,5 meters, on a ship that can dive to the maximum for 16 meters.
but our considerations are taken from the news offered by the media that shoot minchiate tape (I remember that at the beginning the concody went to kerosene!!!) therefore, reduced to little more than chatting from bar.
for the record, article and video:http://video.corriere.it/costa-conc...-relitto/37dbee22-3292-11e3-b846-b6f7405b68a1
 
If you see the millions of money at stake and that all in all there is time you don't appreciate that you can make things compatible, after all the dive quotas of the vanguard are "nominal" it is not said that with some modification you can not recover a few meters (by moving some electric picture, welding some oblo' smoke or other), even from the "concordy" part you can still work for gussaadagne a
 
More than anything, I'm so worried about the moment the vanguard starts to "solve" at that point all the water inside the concord will begin to get out of the sea carrying garbage, pollutants, solvents and all that.
Honestly, I would have preferred a concord train to some dry dock and then emptied the wreck from the water in a closed environment to prevent all this stuff from going to the sea
 
I doubt they spend thirty million vanguards, to bring the ship to a piombino, it is like renting a helicopter to make three kilometers.
as they said it is unlikely to find a site in Italy for the real demolition.
I think they're taking the ship somewhere for emptying, then with the vanguard in Turkish for demolition. less you can save the adaptation for towing navigation, and take advantage of the contract with the vaguard in two distinct moments, bring it near in Italy, then in a second moment in Turkia.
 
If you see the millions of money at stake and that all in all there is time you don't appreciate that you can make things compatible, after all the dive quotas of the vanguard are "nominal" it is not said that with some modification you can not recover a few meters (by moving some electric picture, welding some oblo' smoke or other), even from the "concordy" part you can still work for gussaadagne a
besides the meter and a half of difference already mentioned, there is to add the height of the heels necessary for the laying plan of the concordia. I would say at least 50 cm or better another meter to add.
you want to remove electric paintings to earn 2.5 meters of float... smokers have already cut it. they will have recovered 0.00 nothing per cent. They didn't eliminate it for weight. it bothered the operations performed.
More than anything, I'm so worried about the moment the vanguard starts to "solve" at that point all the water inside the concord will begin to get out of the sea carrying garbage, pollutants, solvents and all that.
Honestly, I would have preferred a concord train to some dry dock and then emptied the wreck from the water in a closed environment to prevent all this stuff from going to the sea
water, here's what needs to be eliminated to recover the minimum height needed.
I doubt they spend thirty million vanguards, to bring the ship to a piombino, it is like renting a helicopter to make three kilometers.
as they said it is unlikely to find a site in Italy for the real demolition.
I think they're taking the ship somewhere for emptying, then with the vanguard in Turkish for demolition. less you can save the adaptation for towing navigation, and take advantage of the contract with the vaguard in two distinct moments, bring it near in Italy, then in a second moment in Turkia.
that of the second phase is a plausible hypothesis, but there are too many voices and few certain data.
it seems that there have been some not better specified "modifications" to the vanguard to make it compatible with the harmony.
I read. It would seem that the contract has been signed.
what I said, they know a thousand times better and know what to do. They proved it by straightening the ship without messing up so I would be willing to give confidence.
 
besides the meter and a half of difference already mentioned, there is to add the height of the heels necessary for the laying plan of the concordia. I would say at least 50 cm or better another meter to add.
you want to remove electric paintings to earn 2.5 meters of float. . .
2.5 meters is more or less the height of a bridge, in practice it must be made "compatible" with the going in water what to today is the first bridge emerged in order completely "giu"
smokers have already cut it. they will have recovered 0.00 nothing per cent. They didn't eliminate it for weight. it bothered the operations performed.
I thought more about a question of baricentro, however in the emerged part now that it is horizontal I think you can take away several robes (among other things that have not been damaged by water )


water, here's what needs to be eliminated to recover the minimum height needed.
the ideal would therefore be to find in the lower bridges of the congenial volumes to be sealed and emptied with air in pressure, or to the limit to use of the lifting balloons from 100-200 mc to place inside the various cabins, corridors , salons but I think it would be too expensive



what I said, they know a thousand times better and know what to do. They proved it by straightening the ship without messing up so I would be willing to give confidence.
Surely, but meanwhile it's fun to play hypotheses and chat about the subject.
 
right to play I'm trying to calculate how much weight it takes to take to earn these 2 meters...

from wiki the concordia is 290 meters long and 35 meters wide, this means that the volume of water in play is 290 meters x 35 x 2 (I'm making calculations definitely for excess) pairs to 20300 cubic meres, each cubic meter of water weighs a ton so to earn these meters it would have to remove approximately 20000 tons of stuff from the upper bridges, decidedly not feasible , I think the only lightening possible in the time

vice versa sub teams could place in various balloon booths to reduce water on board.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/costa_concordia_in_palma,_majorca,_spain.jpgfrom this photo I see about 300 (in defect) oblo (the two-hole style with central column) in the flank that can be reached agiably by the subs and inside which can be placed a ball.
the size of the window limits the dimesion of the folded ball that can be inserted, the maximum length I think is around 5-6 meters while the other size of the ball would be 3 meters (length of a bed more 'disruption) and height 2 meters (from floor to ceiling of the cabin )

total 10800 cubic meters of water removed, then it would gain about 1 meter of float , the other meter and a half I think it should handle the vanguard with some changes
 
the boskalis, has won the contract to remove the concord using the vanguard, (I thought he did all the dockwise... but I read now, this is a company directly controlled by boskalis) on their website there are videos and information. Perhaps exa can interpret the info, it seems to us all easy, but I do not understand the question of fishing, it seems that they raise the ship with the dumps, but you do not see a translation of the same widest.
to take her where? I'm still reading... " the customer must still make a decision according to the local authorities on the final destination. alternatives included the demolition of the ship in Italy." .dubito.. .
 
interesting the pdf annexed by the president from which it is evident that the squarcio affects the hull from the order 58 to 126.
In subsequent simulations, from p. 48 to p. 53, the floods resulting from the accident are simulated.
in the first screen, called condition 0, the first compartment floods with 2287 tons of water that lower the stern from 8.2 meters of normal fishing, to 9.39 causing a drooping straight.

after 20 minutes the flooded premises are two for a total of 6419.1 tons of water. the stern is now immersed at 9.85m.

the last screen indicates 5 local flooded for a total of 17641.2 tons. the ship is now disbanded to the left and the stern has reached 12.66 m dive while the average dive is 9.85m.
the ship has now compromised stability and will end as we know.

for the moment I can't explain how they can board on the vanguard bridge, which I remember is immersed to the maximum up to 16m, the concord that, when put in float with the push bins from both sides, will continue to fish over 18 meters.
as you deduct from the site (which I had already reported)http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/page.php?page=progetto#refloatingand of which I attach an image
14.webpto the difference of more than 2 meters, it is necessary to add the height of the laying plan since the hull can not support directly to the bridge of the vanguard.
the idea of filling it with inflatable balloons I can hardly see it viable (but you can never say) as well as hope to close hermetically all openings on a ship with hundreds of windows, portholes, stained glass, etc. etc.
However, something will have emerged if the company's price has already agreed.
for the diversification of the water currently contained in the ship (which I remember fishing more than 30 meters in the current conditions) will be placed containment cloths and I think they will slowly rise it just to better manage the outflow of the water.
 
Looking at this picture, I'm getting more and more convinced that it's not possible that an oil tanker is built better than a ship that has to bring 4,500 human beings.
 

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Damn it! :mad:
seen my English, it takes me a month to read everything (trying to understand it!):tongue:
Looking at this picture, I'm getting more and more convinced that it's not possible that an oil tanker is built better than a ship that has to bring 4,500 human beings.
I know how many monohull tankers are still around....
 
Damn it! :mad:
seen my English, it takes me a month to read everything (trying to understand it!):tongue:
If you have any part that interests you in particular, please send me the page numbers and let's see if you don't.
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