coast concordia and cheerful

[Er Presidente]

known on the margins of how the "aglosassons" tend to a greater transparency in the investigations, as soon as possible make the reports public even with the investigations still not concluded.

 

[Exatem]

If you have any part that interests you in particular, please send me the page numbers and let's see if you don't.

All of them? :biggrin:
I'm joking, but not too much!

known on the margins of how the "aglosassons" tend to a greater transparency in the investigations, as soon as possible make the reports public even with the investigations still not concluded.

As we have, I don't cover anyone... amateurs vs true masters.

 

[athlon]

but another very interesting document is the report of the caib columbia investigation board that analyzes the incident of the spache shuttle columbia in detail, unfortunately the site of the nasa is closed because there are no federal funds anymore, but I think the pdf can still be found around the network

 

[DANI-3D]

Good morning.
I, however, did not understand one thing, since to be removed the coast concordia in any case must be put in conditions to float, with the appropriate cassoni. because, as it floats, to reach the destination port is not "simplely" driven with trailers, but are spent 30 mln of € to load it on the vanguard?
Surely there will be more than one reason, but to me it is not clear. Is it possible to have clarifications from who is more experienced?
Thank you.

 

[Exatem]

Good morning.
I, however, did not understand one thing, since to be removed the coast concordia in any case must be put in conditions to float, with the appropriate cassoni. because, as it floats, to reach the destination port is not "simplely" driven with trailers, but are spent 30 mln of € to load it on the vanguard?
Surely there will be more than one reason, but to me it is not clear. Is it possible to have clarifications from who is more experienced?
Thank you.

from what I know for vanguard has not yet been decided anything.
the coast says you only booked the ship for three months as reported here:http://www.theparbucklingproject.co...vanguard_as_option_for_transport_of_concordiaonce again put in float, and if in the meantime the policy will have done its duty for such important work to remain in Italy, the system for transport will be decided.
If the wreck should be transferred to a nearby port and the conditions ensured its safe transfer, the trailer option would be cheaper.

 

[Tequila]

... once floated, and if in the meantime politics will have done its duty for such an important job to remain in Italy, the transport system will be decided.. .

I do not want to open up useless on politics, but from how I see it, with the current mega sale of the country, the new taxes coming, the new cuts to health and who knows what other novelties will be introduced, I see it hard that the dismantling of the harmony remains in Italy.
Unfortunately with the current situation that worsens more and more, I think that such a contract will be just a new "ecomoster" that will remain unfinished for the usual bureaucratic problems and after lack of money.

I've seen her like this since this morning.

 

[DANI-3D]

.... the trailer option would be cheaper.

and for me, always speaking as a profane, even the safest. I have seen several times the animation where you see the vanguard that lifts the harmony as it was a model without weight, but the thing leaves me very doubtful. the ship after the radrizzamento has moved, although little, though resting on a platform fixed to the seabed, let's figure out what can happen if it is reacted on a plane that during navigation, will a little move of certain.

 

[Erikilrosso]

once again put in float, and if in the meantime the policy will have done its duty for such important work to remain in Italy, the system for transport will be decided.
if the wreck should be transferred to a nearby port and the conditions ensured its transfer safely, the trailer option would be cheaper

last autumn I was in a locality near piombino for work and a friend showed me the proposal that his group had or would introduce to the authorities, for the realization of a basin just south of the port, able to contain the harmony. a huge job, as it is all to create practically from nothing and bound by the gigantic characteristics of the boat to be dismantled. their intention was to bind the estimacy of the new basin to the development of the contiguous steel mills, which would then use it for the discharge of raw materials and the load of the processed.
in an industrial development of the area the proposal could also be interesting and, perhaps, the 30 mln (as agreed on the work) would have been better spent.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I think it'll take a little longer to decide. In the meantime, it'll all go to rust and disappear on its own.

 

[Exatem]

a short video shot on the left side of the wreckhttp://www.affaritaliani.it/cronache/concordia-ecco-che-cosa-hanno-visto-i-palombari171013.html

 

[Exatem]

Remember it costs cheerful?
We talked about it when a fire in the engine room stopped the cruise but then, taken by the titanic firm of straightening of the harmony, the "minor sister" had ended in the forgotten.
the allegra ended his life and is located at the yards of demolition of aliaga in turkey where it was towed after being removed from the fleet of the cruise coast following the fire that last year had damaged it in the waters of the Indian Ocean. initially towed to the seychelles and subsequently to genova, it was considered not convenient to repair it because of the vetocity of the ship and the remarkable works necessary to make it again efficient. the hull in fact dates back to 1969 when it was built in finlandia as portacontainer and later, transformed into a cruise ship.
here some pictures:http://mondonavi.forumfree.it/?t=64126001http://www.naviearmatori.net/ita/foto-174680-1.html

 

[Exatem]

it is that the enterprise is multinational but the Englishmen are sometimes useless forced and as we are still Italian, we talk about “invernalization”.
with this however horrible term, both in Italian and in English, is meant the safety of the wreck in view of the winter season, that is, all interventions aimed at making the wreck able to face the most adverse weather conditions.
this intervention included the installation of steel dots that connected the wreck to the platforms, 100% work done. the bow needs an additional restraint system while some concrete bags are placed between wreck and ground-side rocks, other structures will connect the underwater platforms to the wreck through attacks on the upper part of the bins.
At the same time, the structural reliefs are carried out to establish the necessary repairs and repairs on the right side in view of the positioning of the 15 tanks that will serve for the next phase of retiling. .
the concord currently is stable on the platforms according to the results from the continuous monitoring activities. the confirmation coast cruises and the consortium titan micoperi. the stability of the wreck was ensured by the safety interventions that should be completed by the end of the month. Finally, environmental monitoring activities continue constantly with results that confirm the quality of the lily water while you are always on the alert on the eventual release of materials from the wreck.

 

[Erikilrosso]

question: is it possible to hypothesize how many tons of unrecoverable pollutants are still on board the wreck of the concord?

 

[Exatem]

question: is it possible to hypothesize how many tons of unrecoverable pollutants are still on board the wreck of the concord?

We start from the consideration that ships like the concord are floating cities in which there are stocks of detergents, lubricants, paints for any eventuality on board and that, like a city, is not made to remain immersed months in salt water.
the internal premises are covered with carpets, decorative panels, upholstery, fire-retardant materials, etc. etc. for which glues of all kinds were used. there are paints everywhere, wood products, chlorine for swimming pools, furnishings of all kinds, furniture, sofas, TVs, computers...
there are tons of food, both fresh and preserved, meat, fish, eggs, fruit, vegetables that unclean and melt in water.
then there are kitchen waste, service waste, gray water and black water. According to a communiqué of civil protection published the first days from the disaster, the ship would contain at least 18 pollutants for a total of 1950 tons. the following data are easily available on the network.
an estimated 1051 cubic meters of grey and black water, 3.504 cubic meters of sea water in the crates, about 41 cubic meters of lubricating oils, 10 tanks for a total of 400 litres of oxygen, 7 cylinders for a total of 280 litres of acetylene, 128 cylinders for a total of 5.120 litres of nitrogen, 104 cylinders for a total of 3.929 litres

 

[Erikilrosso]

Therefore, making an account "of the maid", there are, pollutants, more dirty water, more paints and colors, more fuel, more diesel, more some ton of soaps and detergents, which could spread at sea following possible structural cedimens of the hull, more tanks of various gases. all for a few thousand tons. a beautiful ecological bomb in a very delicate stretch of sea. in fact the whole Mediterranean ecosystem is delicate. that you know, were predicted on the hull resistance during and after lifting fuor from the water to transport the carcass to the demolition site? Is it not that it happens like some garbage wagons that go around sowing sludge and discards of garbage? the route to the turkey is long enough, that, then, to the bangladesh even longer. and again, raising the hull the sea water that fills it somewhere must escape, where will it end? free at sea with all the content of disintegration materials or can it be pumped out to be brought to the purifiers and then poured into the sea?

 

[Exatem]

Therefore, making an account "of the maid", there are, pollutants, more dirty water, more paints and colors, more fuel, more diesel, more some ton of soaps and detergents, which could spread at sea following possible structural cedimens of the hull, more tanks of various gases. all for a few thousand tons. a beautiful ecological bomb in a very delicate stretch of sea. in fact the whole Mediterranean ecosystem is delicate. that you know, were predicted on the hull resistance during and after lifting fuor from the water to transport the carcass to the demolition site? Is it not that it happens like some garbage wagons that go around sowing sludge and discards of garbage? the route to the turkey is long enough, that, then, to the bangladesh even longer. and again, raising the hull the sea water that fills it somewhere must escape, where will it end? free at sea with all the content of disintegration materials or can it be pumped out to be brought to the purifiers and then poured into the sea?

When an accident like that of the concord occurs, "collateral" damage is inevitable. Fortunately, the ship did not sink into a seabed of 80 or more meters but it reacted on one side and it was possible to put it "standing".
The only thing you can do in these cases is to limit the damage that is still there.
for this reason, about ten kilometers of benches were placed in a concentric way around the wreck and the perimeter, submerged nets and floating anti-torbidity barriers to prevent the entry of any pollutants into the sensitive area up to a depth of 5 meters. when the ship has been rotated, about 80,000 m3 of water has been spilled without this causing particular problems. there are still more than 260.000 and the risks, it is undeniable, there are.
However, the incident, which took place in a protected faunal area, has caused such a mediatic dust for which the attention is maximum and every action monitored also by environmental groups that would not bring further negative events.
also greenpeace for example, keeps an eye on the harmony and on its site you can read the reports in this sense.
http://www.greenpeace.org/italy/global/italy/report/2012/mare/come-sta-il-mare-del-giglio.pdfHowever, the wreck continues to pose a threat and the possible spill of fuel was only one of the many threats to the lily waters. the list of materials on board, what I reported earlier, is visible here:
http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/jcms/it/view_com.wp?prevpage=comunicati_stampa&contentid=com30464and it is significant that the only food items listed are 1272.
It's logical that first you remove the wreck, the less risk you run. the emergency can be said to end when even the last piece of concord will have left the Tuscan archipelago.

 

[Exatem]

update.
the head of civil protection, frank gabrielli has confirmed that the planned timing will be respected then by June the harmony will be removed from the lily. by March will be defined which port will be in charge of the demolition of the wreck. currently there are 12 locations that have been offered of which 4 Italian. if the ship is unable to be picked up to the destination, it will be "parked" in an intermediate location until September/October and then bring in the famous vanguard.
Anyway here:http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/ar...e-9b4c-450a-a380-b9e4b7b4e28d.html?refresh_cethe full article.

 

[enri]

as you wanted to prove, the concord with all probability will be dismantled in the Turk. exatem if you were consluent of civil protection you could save a few months, and hypothetical rivers. :http://firenze.repubblica.it/cronac...altimento_in_turchia_pi_conveniente-83821088/

 

[Exatem]

as you wanted to prove, the concord with all probability will be dismantled in the Turk. exatem if you were consluent of civil protection you could save a few months, and hypothetical rivers. :http://firenze.repubblica.it/cronac...altimento_in_turchia_pi_conveniente-83821088/

Thank you! If I were a civil protection advisor, I would gain infinitely more given the evacuation of the consultations in Italy, however we hope that gabrielli read you

was right who, I think dani-3d if not erro, in some previous post had remembered the dockwise vanguard. It seems that the coast has already booked the ship for a long time, therefore, given the figures on the ground (from 40 million Turks to 200 civitavecchia, passing by 80 of genova and piombino) the Turkish appears a more than probable solution. the trailer of a semi-crowded ship, "frenated" also from the resistance offered by the added side bins, is not easy. I don't say it's not possible, but it hides a sufficient number of unknowns to keep you awake at night. the vanguard could charge the wreck and take it to Turkia where the laws on waste disposal are likely different from ours and allow such operations to 1/5 of the Italian costs. remains in me the doubt of how a ship that can be immersed to the maximum of 16 meters, can load one that fishing 18,5... but I probably miss some info.

about the article of the quoted republic, I read that according to the author "proprio in Turka, has remembered for 25 years we send our military ships to be dismantled". . .

I of Italian military ships sent to the Turks for demolition in recent years I do not remember if not the castor, sold however for the demolition to an entrepreneur of southern Italy who, after having taken possession, tried to make it to turkey. Unfortunately things did not go into the right direction and from March 30, 2001 the wreck is located at the bottom of the Mediterranean.
here the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dongj42dsxa

 

[enri]

I don't imagine how they can do it, they'll have to change it.qui there is another article with other information.
It seems that even in Norwegian costs little, but not if they come to prey. :