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coast concordia and cheerful

a nice trailer "safe", then something goes "stored" and the sea claims its "peg". problem solved. .

p.s., how long is the "relitto"?
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Er Presidente said:
a nice trailer "safe", then something goes "stored" and the sea claims its "peg". problem solved. .
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certainly would be, economically, the most advantageous solution. but also a world figure by all.
but possible that a ship demolish costs so much?
 
DANI-3D said:
certainly would be, economically, the most advantageous solution. but also a world figure by all.
but possible that a ship demolish costs so much?
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but it is not the demolition from which metals of all kinds are recovered, as the disposal of waste. see the photo on the links I suggested? And that's nothing...
 
I would like someone to list me military ships that in the last 25 years have been demolished in Turkish because this is a fact that I ignore...
 
boh if you couldn't find news you...... I imagine that being military ships is not an easily recoverable data, I found these links:
http://www.robindesbois.org/recherche.php
http://www.robindesbois.org/dossiers/demolition_des_navires/a_la_casse_25.pdf
http://www.robindesbois.org/english/shipbreaking/2013_1119_ships_for_scrapping.htmlthat is then the same site, first in French and then in English, on truth I do not bet, if you want you (as an expert) to discard some among these links and others that jump out. :

Hi.
 
there is another article about done with interesting information, but something escapes me:
"doing some rapid calculation you immediately understand that – as usual for naval demolitions – in reality the Turkish shipyard asks nothing to dispose of the wreck: it was known for some time, in fact, that the rental of vanguard (owned by the Dutch shipping company dockwise) from the coast cruises would have had a cost of 30 million euros, that is approximately 40 million dollars. the yard will then get its profit, as do all the societies of naval demolition, from the sale and recycling of the scrap"But how? They pay the vanguard 30 million euros to take it to the Turks, and they demolish it for free? pull it to genova, (without vanguard) and demolish it there why would it cost 100 million? I think they hurt the accounts. but the disposal is not the main item of expenditure, since the materials are sold?
 
enri said:
there is another article about done with interesting information, but something escapes me:
"doing some rapid calculation you immediately understand that – as usual for naval demolitions – in reality the Turkish shipyard asks nothing to dispose of the wreck: it was known for some time, in fact, that the rental of vanguard (owned by the Dutch shipping company dockwise) from the coast cruises would have had a cost of 30 million euros, that is approximately 40 million dollars. the yard will then get its profit, as do all the societies of naval demolition, from the sale and recycling of the scrap"But how? They pay the vanguard 30 million euros to take it to the Turks, and they demolish it for free? pull it to genova, (without vanguard) and demolish it there why would it cost 100 million? I think they hurt the accounts. but the disposal is not the main item of expenditure, since the materials are sold?
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if the ship "do not arrive" to genova:
- penalty with the yard, to pay.
- trailer insurance, to be cashed.

if the ship had to "not arrive" in Turkish:
- Penalties with the yard, zero.
- trailer insurance, to be cashed.

Why don't I mention vanguard? because with the vanguard the ship in Turkia would come to us for sure, but you will see that at the last moment on the vanguard the concord will not "go", too high, probably, and will opt "justly" for a nice trailer.. .

I count someone if it's done very well...


p.s.: am I too pessimistic? No, the problem is, I'm too optimistic, but...
 
enri said:
there is another article about done with interesting information, but something escapes me:
"doing some rapid calculation you immediately understand that – as usual for naval demolitions – in reality the Turkish shipyard asks nothing to dispose of the wreck: it was known for some time, in fact, that the rental of vanguard (owned by the Dutch shipping company dockwise) from the coast cruises would have had a cost of 30 million euros, that is approximately 40 million dollars. the yard will then get its profit, as do all the societies of naval demolition, from the sale and recycling of the scrap"But how? They pay the vanguard 30 million euros to take it to the Turks, and they demolish it for free? pull it to genova, (without vanguard) and demolish it there why would it cost 100 million? I think they hurt the accounts. but the disposal is not the main item of expenditure, since the materials are sold?
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Er Presidente said:
if the ship "do not arrive" to genova:
- penalty with the yard, to pay.
- trailer insurance, to be cashed.

if the ship had to "not arrive" in Turkish:
- Penalties with the yard, zero.
- trailer insurance, to be cashed.

Why don't I mention vanguard? because with the vanguard the ship in Turkia would come to us for sure, but you will see that at the last moment on the vanguard the concord will not "go", too high, probably, and will opt "justly" for a nice trailer.. .

I count someone if it's done very well...


p.s.: am I too pessimistic? No, the problem is, I'm too optimistic, but...
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generally works (at least for us) so.
a sale price is determined by calculating the scrap value of the ship, reduced the costs of demolition and any expenses for the disposal of asbestos or other pollutants.
the company buyer deals with everything else i.e., demolishes the ship and obtains scrap to be sold on the market of the metals.
all that is irrecoverable and considered a refusal, must be disposed according to the marbles in force in the country where demolition takes place.
This is why in some countries it is more expensive to demolish than in others.
 
but in theory the vanguard if it goes to genova instead that in Turkish should cost less, with the advantage that the work is done here in Italy, and remains the doubt, but in Turkish are magicians in disposal, since they do it free, or put everything under? :
after all that there will then be to be disposed of that not saw disposed of every day? plastic materials, oils and similar materials, rubber, wood, various insulators, in short, materials disposed of from already existing plants Italy, the big is disassembly and cut everything, (but the steel will sell it) and the Turks do it free, because they say that the sale compensates for the dismantlement, continues not to return anything.
 
enri said:
but in theory the vanguard if it goes to genova instead that in Turkish should cost less, with the advantage that the work is done here in Italy, and remains the doubt, but in Turkish are magicians in disposal, since they do it free, or put everything under? :
after all that there will then be to be disposed of that not saw disposed of every day? plastic materials, oils and similar materials, rubber, wood, various insulators, in short, materials disposed of from already existing plants Italy, the big is disassembly and cut everything, (but the steel will sell it) and the Turks do it free, because they say that the sale compensates for the dismantlement, continues not to return anything.
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I'm not in the industry.
But I'll show you something.
in Italy, and generally in Europe, to dispose of certain products you have a detailed and complicated procedure. logs, special equipment to use, specialized staff. . .
example: exhausted motor oil
You can't take the exhausted oil and pour it with the bucket in a couple of stems! And the gloves? And the glasses? And boots? and the device that controls the amount of oxygen and nitrogen in the atmosphere to ensure that the operator remains alive? All this has a "costo". . .
Do you know how to empty the oil in the turkey? They send in a couple of workers in slippers, maximum rubber boots. They give him a couple of buckets (hiking not laundry..), a couple of stems and a couple of funnels. When they are finished, they pick up the stems and the workers, if they are still alive. otherwise, only the stems!
After that, in Italy the oil should be sent to specialized companies that filter it, treat it, recycle it. . .
in Turkia, move the stem to another ship that uses it as fuel. . .

here's how "of the" costs little....
 
if disposal will happen abroad for a thousand reasons will be cheaper.
Italy remains the damage to the island of the lily, the loss of image of the Italian cruises, the costs for the management of the emergency. Did the coast pay for all this?

that is why a serious country would tell the owner society: “You have done a damage for a thousand thousand now you pay the damage and the cocci are yours, bring them wherever you want. otherwise since the Italian shipbuilding company langue discount you 99% of the figure if you dispose it in Italy”.

If, for example, I do the fool with the car and break a light pole, the commune asks me for damage. Why don't you get the skewers with the ship worth the same rule?
 
MBT said:
I'm not in the industry.
But I'll show you something.
in Italy, and generally in Europe, to dispose of certain products you have a detailed and complicated procedure. logs, special equipment to use, specialized staff. . .
example: exhausted motor oil
You can't take the exhausted oil and pour it with the bucket in a couple of stems! And the gloves? And the glasses? And boots? and the device that controls the amount of oxygen and nitrogen in the atmosphere to ensure that the operator remains alive? All this has a "costo". . .
Do you know how to empty the oil in the turkey? They send in a couple of workers in slippers, maximum rubber boots. They give him a couple of buckets (hiking not laundry..), a couple of stems and a couple of funnels. When they are finished, they pick up the stems and the workers, if they are still alive. otherwise, only the stems!
After that, in Italy the oil should be sent to specialized companies that filter it, treat it, recycle it. . .
in Turkia, move the stem to another ship that uses it as fuel. ...that's why "the" costs little....
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exactly what I meant here:
Exatem said:
all that is irrecoverable and considered a refusal, must be disposed according to the marbles in force in the country where demolition takes place. from here we should deduce why in some countries it is more expensive to demolish than in others.
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Excuse me, but I insist on a not strictly relevant subject, but that blows my nose.
also in the last linked article, we talk about military ships demolished in Turkish.
Perhaps they confuse themselves with the "state snow" type Tyrrhenian (which I do not know where they are demolished).
but our gray ships, wait for their time in the arsenals.
in the photos that allego you see bold and bold, from winnings and moored marconies, then not in the photo, there are still carabiniere and alpine in addition to numerous smaller ship.
demolizioni.webp I do not know the situation of taranto or augusta but for example, I find that toast there are still some (if not all) hydrofoils sparrow class.
but are these journalists or daily?
 
gil said:
if disposal will happen abroad for a thousand reasons will be cheaper.
Italy remains the damage to the island of the lily, the loss of image of the Italian cruises, the costs for the management of the emergency. Did the coast pay for all this?

that is why a serious country would tell the owner society: “You have done a damage for a thousand thousand now you pay the damage and the cocci are yours, bring them wherever you want. otherwise since the Italian shipbuilding company langue discount you 99% of the figure if you dispose it in Italy”.

If, for example, I do the fool with the car and break a light pole, the commune asks me for damage. Why don't you get the skewers with the ship worth the same rule?
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I find that the coast has now spent about 1 billion €.
 
enri said:
therefore the hypothesis "put everything under" expanded in the signed seems right.
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Have you ever seen how they demolish in bangladesh, or in wool, or india? how can you be competitive (as prices) with them?
 
Exatem said:
Have you ever seen how they demolish in bangladesh, or in wool, or india? how can you be competitive (as prices) with them?
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Hello exa....... .
as we did in the 50-60s
then we were the
But I keep my mind (I'm always a confident optimist!!!!!)°v°
as already happened to other ships directed to the cheap unleashed goods
inhabitant
It's not like it would happen.
Thank you very much
a hug exa...... .
 

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