coast concordia and cheerful

[Erikilrosso]

I find myself quite in agreement with the Expatriate reader, although I think that 32 lives have no price and that any penalty is inadequate, especially if the cause of their loss is due to pure idiocy of performance. the problem is that, thanks to our judicial system, that bellimbusto, in a few years will be able to return to the market using discounts, good conduct, emptying prisons etc. always then, that it is incarcerated, because this fact is not certain for now.

 

[tecnico_plast]

for good civil education serves more: forced labor, for example.

Are you crazy? forced labor would violate the dignity and health of prisoners. . .

This is Italy, and I don't add any more:frown:

anyway, sketch has its faults, the cowardice first of all, but the summits of coast and also the captain knew of the "inchini", skewer was only the misfortune of turn, sooner or later the thing would happen, and it happened to him.

 

[Er Presidente]

It is necessary to take into account that the commander was convicted of anger, while the photographer for several crimes all very serious, unfortunately for him. extortion, blackmail etc. are very serious offenses each of which heavily punished, he made them all.
What's wrong with me is the interdition for only five years, if there's an appeal and a discount of predictable punishment, in 8 years we find it on television to lead "balling under the stars" from the tolde of some cruise ship.... :

 

[Exatem]

Are you crazy? forced labor would violate the dignity and health of prisoners. . .

This is Italy, and I don't add any more:frown:

anyway, sketch has its faults, the cowardice first of all, but the summits of coast and also the captain knew of the "inchini", skewer was only the misfortune of turn, sooner or later the thing would happen, and it happened to him.

I don't call it a misfortune.
a commander plays a role, he has such important responsibilities, that he cannot be considered "a misfortune" if he goes to slam against a rock, marked on the nautical cards and known to all those who pass them, with a ship of 500 million and 5000 people on board. It cannot be considered a misfortune who, taking this role (well renumbered) abandons the ship before the last of the passengers has been landed.
without reaching the extremes of commanders who have sunk with their ship, the commander must be the last to land.
He did a crap everyone knew about, both the coast and the captain, but the commander is him, just point.
There will be other responsibilities and will be ascertained but the commander is called a trick.
the commander is the commander, just point. on board his ship is second only to god. and if the helmsman was a Bedouin that spoke only the ancient Aramaic, and therefore did not understand the orders in partnopeous, the responsibility of having put it to the helm is of the commander.
I remember the commander of the Sibylla ship who, I am sure of this, did not voluntarily sink a bar of emigrants spurning it, and who was "defensed" for responsibility related to the command.
the coast may have forced the bow, but the commander remains responsible.
Mr. Skeleton also proved arrogant, savior, indisposable, appearing at the guidance of a motorboat, on tanned holiday as a dealer, at dance parties.. .
and it is very serious that in 5 years sketch can be considered suitable for command.
i "langsdorff" i "edward john smith", i "carlo fecia di cossato", i "piero calamai", etc. etc. . .

You have to take into account that the commander was convicted of shocking disaster, while the photographer for several crimes all very serious, unfortunately for him. extortion, blackmail etc. are very serious offenses each of which heavily punished, he made them all.
What's wrong with me is the interdition for only five years, if there's an appeal and a discount of predictable punishment, in 8 years we find it on television to lead "balling under the stars" from the tolde of some cruise ship.... :

Right! He was interrupted for life.

 

[tecnico_plast]

I don't call it a misfortune.
a commander plays a role, he has such important responsibilities, that he cannot be considered "a misfortune" if he goes against a snare. .

the fact is that he was already busy managing another "inking". . .

for the rest quoto all 100%.

 

[Erikilrosso]

the commodor anticipated me: I wanted to remember calamai, "forced" to abandon the ship from his crew.
question: if I with my boat, I go to rocks, on a full moon night, with calm sea, perfect visibility, while in the cockpit I " bow" with a passenger and a guest, following the shock loses my life, what happens to me? I'm being applied to the skeptical law or hang myself for allusions to the tallest pen of the ship and let me die of thirst?

 

[Exatem]

the commodor anticipated me: I wanted to remember calamai, "forced" to abandon the ship from his crew.
question: if I with my boat, I go to rocks, on a full moon night, with calm sea, perfect visibility, while in the cockpit I " bow" with a passenger and a guest, following the shock loses my life, what happens to me? I'm being applied to the skeptical law or hang myself for allusions to the tallest pen of the ship and let me die of thirst?

Unfortunately one of the biggest Italian problems is the absolute lack of certainty of the penalty so, in your case, depends on who you know, who you are friend, what color you are, what grades, who you pay, who pays you, who you trom....

 

[SHIREN]

the rest are personal considerations that each of us is free to express.
by me, say that "There is no causal connection between his behavior and the death of the 32 passengers of the concord" It's madness, it's lack of respect for the 32 victims... but I am not a lawyer or a judge, so my personal considerations remain.

here ends one of the blackest pages of the Italian marinery, with a sentence that however, will make discuss between guiltyists and innocentists.[/QUOTE]Hello exa.......
many times the truths are different from the real truths
But I say,
because the process is only a trick
and not all the staff responsible for the whole ship
no process of ownership
because what I have understood of the process
all knew and
all approved
indeed the same sketch was considered as the maximum expression
how to manage such a business
Is there something wrong?
Thank you very much
a hug exa

 

[Exatem]

the rest are personal considerations that each of us is free to express.
by me, say that "There is no causal connection between his behavior and the death of the 32 passengers of the concord" It's madness, it's lack of respect for the 32 victims... but I am not a lawyer or a judge, so my personal considerations remain.

here ends one of the blackest pages of the Italian marinery, with a sentence that however, will make discuss between guiltyists and innocentists.

Hello exa.......
many times the truths are different from the real truths
But I say,
because the process is only a trick
and not all the staff responsible for the whole ship
no process of ownership
because what I have understood of the process
all knew and
all approved
indeed the same sketch was considered as the maximum expression
how to manage such a business
Is there something wrong?
Thank you very much
a hug exa[/QUOTE]Hello, Enzo.
I have already said that probably, indeed surely, there are other responsibilities, but these do not diminish those of the commander who, once fucked up, abandoned the ship with still many passengers on board.
1) went down like a beginner even if he obeyed orders.
2) tried to download the blame to the timoniere, to the rock, to the island of the lily, to the onboard pizzaiolo.
3) has mismanaged the emergency with contradictory orders, confused. giving the impression of not knowing what to do.
4) abandoned the ship in the chaos.
5) tried to justify his escape from board
6) showed no respect for the victims (not only the dead, there are also those who will never forget what had to be an amusement holiday) going on television as a star.
7) has demolished a ship of 500 million euros.
8) caused a damage of imagines to Italy and the coast
9) caused environmental damage to millions of euros.
10) I think that's enough...

A hug.

 

[Erikilrosso]

I think, then, that deep down, maybe we're a country. of poets and saints but navigators or we have never been or are not.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

excuse the delay in response and excess of crypticity. the "third effe" was the fork. party, flour and fork, the best way to keep the people at bay.

I agree on life-changing. and would be desirable.

I want to make three considerations:
- it wasn't skeptical to vent it in an unfair manner, but he who took the photo to get the scoop.
- go on holiday and tan, it is not crime, at least in Italy. the photo has bothered me too, but melanin is not persecutable
- the assumption of being able to take into account in a judiciary iter of holidays and tans shows impietoso that the "common" man is the case that he leaves the job to the judiciary and does not decide on the deprivation of freedom of his fellow citizens.

the third point in reality should be better developed because there are some cases where external behaviors can and should be taken into account, but I stop here not to go out of topic.

 

[Exatem]

excuse the delay in response and excess of crypticity. the "third effe" was the fork. party, flour and fork, the best way to keep the people at bay.

I agree on life-changing. and would be desirable.

I want to make three considerations:
- it wasn't skeptical to vent it in an unfair manner, but he who took the photo to get the scoop.
- go on holiday and tan, it is not crime, at least in Italy. the photo has bothered me too, but melanin is not persecutable
- the assumption of being able to take into account in a judiciary iter of holidays and tans shows impietoso that the "common" man is the case that he leaves the job to the judiciary and does not decide on the deprivation of freedom of his fellow citizens.

the third point in reality should be better developed because there are some cases where external behaviors can and should be taken into account, but I stop here not to go out of topic.

It is not possible that you have interpreted my observation on the color of the floppy as an aggravating of the facts relating to the shipwreck.
in doubt, however, I would like to point out that my assessments as a common citizen (not as a judge) are not influenced by holidays, tan, Ukrainians or Belarusians. . .
I have just said, and I repeat it for greater clarity, that Mr. in question has always held an arrogant, overwhelming and savior attitude (I do not know if you listened in what tone he answered the magistrate in court).
in his position he would have made more beautiful figure to hold a slightly lower profile.
the photographer did what he was paid for. instead could avoid being seen in motorboat and dance parties with 3 dead still to be found in the wreck.
I, who are probably just a romantic dreamer, idealize the figure of the commander otherwise.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

but yes, exa, I have clear your position and share it almost totally.
I think you're as clear as mine.
Unfortunately my answers are a little "in the pile" because from the mobile I have difficulty to quote. . .

 

[marcof]

. the "third effe" was the fork. party, flour and fork, the best way to keep people at bay

Thank you, I didn't know this Bourbon saying and I would never have arrived.
I was wrapped up with fight for freedom, then it didn't fit with the catarsis and the penalty of more in use and cina so I gave up

 

[Erikilrosso]

as well said by the Commodore in another message, it would be the case of closing the speech and dealing with technical issues that perhaps, there are closer to the legal issues and gossip related to the life of the subject. my fear, however, is that, from good italiotes, the majority of spectators of this story will soon forget and that the tragedy is robbed of "fact" and that the subject is remembered as a victim of the system, in the hands of the masters (costa crociere), the bad (magistratura) and the ignorant of things of sea (we all). to the damage will be added the beffe for the 32 and families.

 

[Exatem]

as well said by the Commodore in another message, it would be the case to close the speech and to deal with technical issues ...

Well, let's go back to the questions we're interested in.
Since it hasn't been known much since the ship arrived at genova, we throw two numbers there.

the appearance on ebay of objects taken on board the wreck of the coast concordia has convinced shipowners and responsible for the disposal to take every precaution during the phases of the demolition. thousands of objects, furnishings, plants, fixtures will therefore be catalogued, disassembled and disembarked following a basic criterion to divide them: on the one hand those to be eliminated, on the other those to be recycled so as to avoid the macabre hunting to the "trophies" started after the shipwreck to work, so far, of strangers.
and while the hull will be cut into pieces and started to the ovens, the fate of the furnishings and the most diverse items of board, such as taps, casino chips, cut of restaurants, paintings, sheets and mattresses, which are among the most suitable parts for any hunters of relics, will be decided during cataloguing.
one part will certainly end up in landfill while another will be recovered. it is up to the companies become today owners of the ship and gathered in consortium - saipem and san giorgio - decide their final destination. but the commitment to avoid that pieces of the concord can become macabri souvenirs will be maximum (so ensure).
I remember that on board they were: 5 restaurants, 13 bars, 1500 guest cabins and 601 for crew, a 2000mq spa, 1 theater, 1 cinema, 1 library, 1 laundry, 14 lifts, 27 kmq tablecloths, the equivalent of 9 football fields of sheets, 3200 km of electric cables, 6000 art works, a beauty salon of 1900 square meters.

 

[numero1]

Look, I'm not close, physically I mean to the place where concord is moored.
this fact, and the fact that I do not care (in no way), of the procedure of disposal of the wreck; All this doesn't allow me to tell you anything about the current state of work.
I had found a very interesting interview (cartacea) to the 2 people who deal directly with it, but I can't find + that damn magazine.
and since I don't remember the title (of the magazine) as much as I tried to search on the net, I didn't find it.......
growl
so I think you know + of all of us.
Bye.

 

[Exatem]

Look, I'm not close, physically I mean to the place where concord is moored.
this fact, and the fact that I do not care (in no way), of the procedure of disposal of the wreck; All this doesn't allow me to tell you anything about the current state of work.
I had found a very interesting interview (cartacea) to the 2 people who deal directly with it, but I can't find + that damn magazine.
and since I don't remember the title (of the magazine) as much as I tried to search on the net, I didn't find it.......
growl
so I think you know + of all of us.
Bye.

Well, I was hoping maybe at a free time you'd go into some "spionage" operation

 

[numero1]

Well, I was hoping maybe at a free time you'd go into some "spionage" operation

ah ah... Now I understand!!!
Well, you'd be surprised to know that I do it, but not for my own sake.
:36_1_18
or maybe not... and I'm just a poor little angel
:3513:
to you the choice.

 

[numero1]

Look, I'm not close, physically I mean to the place where concord is moored.
this fact, and the fact that I do not care (in no way), of the procedure of disposal of the wreck; All this doesn't allow me to tell you anything about the current state of work.
I had found a very interesting interview (cartacea) to the 2 people who deal directly with it, but I can't find + that damn magazine.
and since I don't remember the title (of the magazine) as much as I tried to search on the net, I didn't find it.......
growl
so I think you know + of all of us.
Bye.

I found it, but I found it again, and I found the digital version, because I already have that paper.
I came to mind at the end...... Sometimes age makes weird jokes.http://www.ecoera.it/news/argomenti/demolizioni/2927-eco-28-settembre-2014I hope only that, at this point, it has not already been mentioned in + 60 pages of 3ad.
otherwise good reading to all.
Hi.