consiglio per uan workstation per modeling (ptc-cocreate)

[Stemox]

Hi.
I should replace my old wks what I recommend with a badge of about 2.500€ + VAT
I don't understand much about hardware so I wait for advice.

 

[cacciatorino]

Hi.
I should replace my old wks what I recommend with a badge of about 2.500€ + VAT
I don't understand much about hardware so I wait for advice.

so much ram, nvida board, mouse 3d connexion.

 

[Stemox]

they offered me this:

hp ws z420, processor intel xeon e5-1620 3.6 10m 1600
4c, with 16 gb of ram, graphics card nvidia picture
k2000 2gb, hd from 256 gb ssd.

I'm not very convinced of the processor.
the mouse 3d connexion I have but I can't work on it... or abandoned for the moment.

 

[cacciatorino]

the mouse 3d connexion I have but I can't work on it... or abandoned for the moment.

Try to force you a couple of weeks, I refused it at first, but then I thought again. especially for modeling is an exceptional aid.

 

[Stemox]

I'll try again if you write me that way!
Can you give a judgment on the car? and advice on a preferable processor?

 

[cacciatorino]

I'll try again if you write me that way!
Can you give a judgment on the car? and advice on a preferable processor?

Unfortunately I can't advise you on this. The only thing I can tell you is that if you have any doubts, you better divert money on the graphics card and ram rather than on the cpu.

 

[MFT]

Try to force you a couple of weeks, I refused it at first, but then I thought again. especially for modeling is an exceptional aid.

but what type the one with palletized or what looks like an armchair:biggrin:

 

[cacciatorino]

but what type the one with palletized or what looks like an armchair:biggrin:

When I can get 50 euros per hour, I'll buy my chair. :wink:

 

[gil]

check if I create supports multicore processors! otherwise it is not an optimal choice.
as you can see from many tests risks that xeon "takes" from an i7 3770 that, I think, costs even less.

 

[Stemox]

check if I create supports multicore processors! otherwise it is not an optimal choice.
as you can see from many tests risks that xeon "takes" from an i7 3770 that, I think, costs even less.

What is written seems to be yes!

 

[nicksoft]

What is written seems to be yes!View attachment 33839

support multicore does not mean that you actually use multiple processors during use but only means that the application "can turn" on multicore cpu; to know if you actually use them you have to ask some users, but I doubt.. .
my experience however is limited to creo parametric.

 

[cacciatorino]

check if I create supports multicore processors! otherwise it is not an optimal choice.
as you can see from many tests risks that xeon "takes" from an i7 3770 that, I think, costs even less.

Actually, the multi-core could be useful even if modeling uses only one, for example to do more while the cad is generating a table. for my experience however the cpu is not very important in the cad, since the time spent waiting for the cpu to finish the calculations is infinitely less than the time the designer uses to understand what he wants to do, thinking about the average daily use.
The graphics card is very important, both for model rotations and dynamic sections, things in which modeling is particularly strong.

 

[giorgiocu]

Most 3d cads exploit a core (yes, just a core, not a whole cpu!) in the modeling phase, some manage to exploit two cores or more in the phase of regeneration of table 2d by model 3d, while if you make rendering exploit all available cores. so if you only make modeling3d + table a single station cpu is the right solution; for xeon 1620 is the best xeon for this task, because it is the highest frequency (3.6 ghz), and the frequency of the cpu is one of the most important factors. between xeon and i7 there are no performance differences, the difference between the two types of cpu lies in the fact that xeon are obtained from the better silicon wafer part to allow cpu greater reliability on commitments of 24 hours on 24 and 7 days on 7.
from their i7 have the possibility to be overcloaked to increase performance, and the thing is well exploited by cad 3d that are clock-dependent.
for the video card the k2000 is perfect, as well as the firepro w5000 (I can confirm it because the possessions both) and top-end cards will give you performance of very little superior.
from what I understand you are not a physically handy to the construction/update of a workstation, so I confirm that the solution they have proposed is the best they could offer you.
I prefer to build them from me and exploit the possibility of overclocking (I have two workstations i7 3770k to 4,6 ghz, one with the w5000, the other with the k2000).

 

[Stemox]

Most 3d cads exploit a core (yes, just a core, not a whole cpu!) in the modeling phase, some manage to exploit two cores or more in the phase of regeneration of table 2d by model 3d, while if you make rendering exploit all available cores. so if you only make modeling3d + table a single station cpu is the right solution; for xeon 1620 is the best xeon for this task, because it is the highest frequency (3.6 ghz), and the frequency of the cpu is one of the most important factors. between xeon and i7 there are no performance differences, the difference between the two types of cpu lies in the fact that xeon are obtained from the better silicon wafer part to allow cpu greater reliability on commitments of 24 hours on 24 and 7 days on 7.
from their i7 have the possibility to be overcloaked to increase performance, and the thing is well exploited by cad 3d that are clock-dependent.
for the video card the k2000 is perfect, as well as the firepro w5000 (I can confirm it because the possessions both) and top-end cards will give you performance of very little superior.
from what I understand you are not a physically handy to the construction/update of a workstation, so I confirm that the solution they have proposed is the best they could offer you.
I prefer to build them from me and exploit the possibility of overclocking (I have two workstations i7 3770k to 4,6 ghz, one with the w5000, the other with the k2000).

:finger: very satisfactory comment! ...I don't have any hardware knowledge that I can assemble a workstation.

 

[TAURUS77]

Hi.
I should replace my old wks what I recommend with a badge of about 2.500€ + VAT
I don't understand much about hardware so I wait for advice.

Hello, coat! I don't know if you solved the problem of ws but for a few days I've been testing a new ws and the amount I've spent is a lot under the 2.500€+iva you mentioned.

the characteristics of the ws are:
os windows 7 pro (licence recovered from a high pc)
cpu i7 3820 € 279
mb msi big bang xpower ii € 176 (on offer ) (7 slot pci express- 2 lan)
samsung 840 pro 256 gb € 199
hd 2 x seagate st1000dm003 € 55 each
ram 8x8gb crucial ballistix tactical 1600 mhz € 431
card reader manhattan € 10
5.25 to 3.25 silverstone fp55 black € 17
amd firepro w5000 2gb ddr5 € 425
noctua nh-d14 se2011 € 80
psu xfx 850w black edition € 147
wifi tp-link wdn4800 450mbps abgn € 45
cooler houses master cosmos ii € 320
total € 2239
the only advantageous component is the case but as many other entusiast band houses is built very well, alone weighs 22kg.
working with this beast is spectacular and everything moves smooth without impurities.
short place pictures and bench.
I want to bring back my experience because after several vicissitudes and negotiations I decided to make it to me but if you find a good technical-seller with about 100€ you already assembled and ready to work.
some on the bay for the same car asked more than € 3000, of this period does not seem much in the vein of discounts.
if you want more information please

 

[giorgiocu]

taurus77, your is a great configuration for a cad station modeling 3d!
great also the case, I had taken it into consideration, then seen the weight and the imposing dimensions I opted for a cooler master haf xm and a corsair 600t (I have to load them on the shoulder to bring it to the customers and draw from them).
in June I wanted to take the i7 4770k but they made me a bad impression because only a few more powerful than the previous i7 3770k. I saw in September with the new ivy bridge-e (at least I try the socket 2011 :wink

 

[TAURUS77]

taurus77, your is a great configuration for a cad station modeling 3d!
great also the case, I had taken it into consideration, then seen the weight and the imposing dimensions I opted for a cooler master haf xm and a corsair 600t (I have to load them on the shoulder to bring it to the customers and draw from them).
in June I wanted to take the i7 4770k but they made me a bad impression because only a few more powerful than the previous i7 3770k. I saw in September with the new ivy bridge-e (at least I try the socket 2011 :wink

Hello, giorgiocu!
This ws was born after a little peripecies with some commercials that I think are no longer as malleable as once and several times I happened to talk to commercials that computer do not understand a tube to make him understand something you have to do the mortal jumps.
long ago I wanted to ask the adaptor for the third hd (what you put in place of the master) for the precision m6700 also present in the datasheet in pdf of the notebook.
the lady at the other end of the phone confused you want for the language or you want for anything else didn't know that fish plow, another commercial as soon as I asked more technical questions put me waiting and invited me to make the online configuration and then send it, in short questions so many answers null. I hope that of returning to be as once, more attentive to customer requests and if possible with more prepared commercials. a customer who spends several thousand euros for a laptop or a professional desktop deserves more.
my dear friend who works in the use told me that in America is more organized than in Italy
of the is but after various purchases made by them this time they asked too much to equal characteristics.
I flew some offers on the net and at local retailers in my area.
you are right the difference with i7 4770k is minimal but the i7-3820 and the motherboard at that price were to be taken to the flight only the motherboard oscillates between 340 and 430€.

:biggrin:

 

[gbing]

Hello taurus77,
I see that here you choose a w5000; how are you?
I also made quotes from some but I'm still on stand-by (xeon e5-1620 and firepro w7000).
I have to decide by the end of the month and do not know whether to go on w7000 or w5000 or stay on nvidia picture.
I will mark it (I don't think that if it is spoken in the forum) that until 30 July amd on firepro w5000 and w7000 recognizes a refund of approximately 50% of the purchase price (up to 350 euros per w7000 and up to 250 per w5000).

 

[giorgiocu]

hi gbing, I just took the w5000 co the offer to -50%, the offer expires 31/7, but eye, first you have to make the request giving the company data (private can not) and then you have 15 days solar (non-work) to buy it and recompil their form with the invoice. I find myself well with solidworks even though at the beginning I found some problems with certified drivers for solidworks, then, paradoxically using non-certified drivers everything went to the right direction.

hi taurus, good or bad the prices indicated by you are aligned to the various online stores (I buy the pieces that I need almost exclusively so) except for the motherboard that in fact less than 340 I do not find it (however a bit exaggerated for a work pc, seeing the heatsink and the rest surely you are going to overclock and for a cad that exploits only a core is a manna).
Bye!

 

[re_solidworks]

a workstation of the t3600 with the aforementioned configuration costs less than 2000 euros, including the assistance of which has nothing to do with that date generally from the assemblers. I also occasionally assemble something, but when a component breaks (and sometimes it happens) it takes a sea of time to have the substitute in guarantee, you have to understand why it is not and what has broken, etc... This service, within the company, has no price.
Besides the houses of the are well ventilated, and the workstations are very silent, when my t3600 turns off the monitor (standby) I have to see if the led is on to see if it is so quiet.
I find extremely reliable and the components used are excellent (the same goes for hp).
a 1 tb hard drive from 55 euros, as I have seen, is a hd stanrda that would be expected little to work a lot. for such a task I would opt for top quality hds such as king wds, which can be used without raid but with a much higher reliability than normal hds.
for the vga I would take nvidia. I work with a firegl v7900, it's very good, but I saw that nvidia has performance higher than the same cost, so in the future I will opt for the latter.
for... you have to try to call, my workstation, taken a year ago, I paid it 2200, today the price fell and with 2000 you should take that with the nvidia k4000.
I press that before this I had taken some assemblies, with 3 years onsite warranty, etc... an error in choosing a component (which I had reported when I saw the offer) has blown virtually everything (one piece at a time), the assistance has intervened 8 times with 2 pcs over a year with various stops, etc.
in the future I am on brands as of.