consiglio per uan workstation per modeling (ptc-cocreate)

[gil]

taurus77, ma hai 64gb in ram?

 

[edy08]

great choice, is what cocreate retailers recommend, there is I also have with win7

 

[Stemox]

Hello, coat! I don't know if you solved the problem of ws but for a few days I've been testing a new ws and the amount I've spent is a lot under the 2.500€+iva you mentioned.

the characteristics of the ws are:
os windows 7 pro (licence recovered from a high pc)
cpu i7 3820 € 279
mb msi big bang xpower ii € 176 (on offer ) (7 slot pci express- 2 lan)
samsung 840 pro 256 gb € 199
hd 2 x seagate st1000dm003 € 55 each
ram 8x8gb crucial ballistix tactical 1600 mhz € 431
card reader manhattan € 10
5.25 to 3.25 silverstone fp55 black € 17
amd firepro w5000 2gb ddr5 € 425
noctua nh-d14 se2011 € 80
psu xfx 850w black edition € 147
wifi tp-link wdn4800 450mbps abgn € 45
cooler houses master cosmos ii € 320
total € 2239
the only advantageous component is the case but as many other entusiast band houses is built very well, alone weighs 22kg.
working with this beast is spectacular and everything moves smooth without impurities.
short place pictures and bench.
I want to bring back my experience because after several vicissitudes and negotiations I decided to make it to me but if you find a good technical-seller with about 100€ you already assembled and ready to work.
some on the bay for the same car asked more than € 3000, of this period does not seem much in the vein of discounts.
if you want more information please

Hello taurus,
I still have not chosen ...I have all the time, now I value how travels the ver. 18.1 on the current wks then decide. However I will consider your configuration ....even if for 200/300 € does not change much.

 

[gbing]

hi giorgiocu,
Thanks for the tips!

 

[TAURUS77]

a workstation of the t3600 with the aforementioned configuration costs less than 2000 euros, including the assistance of which has nothing to do with that date generally from the assemblers. I also occasionally assemble something, but when a component breaks (and sometimes it happens) it takes a sea of time to have the substitute in guarantee, you have to understand why it is not and what has broken, etc... This service, within the company, has no price.
Besides the houses of the are well ventilated, and the workstations are very silent, when my t3600 turns off the monitor (standby) I have to see if the led is on to see if it is so quiet.
I find extremely reliable and the components used are excellent (the same goes for hp).
a 1 tb hard drive from 55 euros, as I have seen, is a hd stanrda that would be expected little to work a lot. for such a task I would opt for top quality hds such as king wds, which can be used without raid but with a much higher reliability than normal hds.
for the vga I would take nvidia. I work with a firegl v7900, it's very good, but I saw that nvidia has performance higher than the same cost, so in the future I will opt for the latter.
for... you have to try to call, my workstation, taken a year ago, I paid it 2200, today the price fell and with 2000 you should take that with the nvidia k4000.
I press that before this I had taken some assemblies, with 3 years onsite warranty, etc... an error in choosing a component (which I had reported when I saw the offer) has blown virtually everything (one piece at a time), the assistance has intervened 8 times with 2 pcs over a year with various stops, etc.
in the future I am on brands as of.

Hello re_solidworks!!
also I would have liked to buy as I said before the t3600 and t5600 were too salty perhaps I mistake to use the configurator (k4000 is 391€ extra than the w5000, the ram purchased in of is too expensive even if it is etc, the same for ssd and hd, wifi card not present in the config.)
the assistance of what you say is not discussed... in the past I have used it. the price I wrote is iva included (to scans of misunderstandings).
right now I didn't leave iva and so the choice of the assembly a little helps me to save.
regarding silence when I turn on the pc is very quiet to the point that I approach the ear to the case to understand that everything is ok.
in any case thank you very much for the impts:smile:
If my finances improve I hope to go back to some for now I go to "do you care" in a while I grow two more arms and another head:biggrin:

 

[TAURUS77]

taurus77, ma hai 64gb in ram?

hi gil! you are 64gb ram.

 

[TAURUS77]

Hello taurus77,
I see that here you choose a w5000; how are you?
I also made quotes from some but I'm still on stand-by (xeon e5-1620 and firepro w7000).
I have to decide by the end of the month and do not know whether to go on w7000 or w5000 or stay on nvidia picture.
I will mark it (I don't think that if it is spoken in the forum) that until 30 July amd on firepro w5000 and w7000 recognizes a refund of approximately 50% of the purchase price (up to 350 euros per w7000 and up to 250 per w5000).

Hi, gbing!
I hope I didn't make the wrong purchase for the w5000. I look great and all row smooth on paper is a great card I liked k4000 but it costs almost double if you want to make a comparison
http: //www.tomcardware.com/charts/graphics-cards, 1.h tml
http://www.tomshardware. com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/compare,3277.html? prod[6163]=on&prod[6151]=

a little helps to clarify ideas but benches are always indicative and real performance are measured on the field and are influenced by various factors.
I must be honest with the second link I used it to give me an idea and helped me to choose in any case the forum serves to exchange advice and to avoid tangling on choices.
I repeat perhaps the k4000 is superior but the price compared to the w5000 is almost double.
in any case at the moment I am satisfied with the result.

 

[Stemox]

I just received this offer from:

precision t3600 : standard 635w
base q.tà:1

price: I would say goodcomponents
1 processor : intel xeon processor e5-1620 (quad core, 3.60ghz turbo, 10mb) (zr)
1 memory : 16gb (4x4gb) 1600mhz ddr3 etc. rdimm (zr)
1 media card reader : 19-in-1 media card reader (zr)
1 hard drive : 250gb 3.5inch serial ata (7.200 rpm) hard drive (zr) --- (This hd doesn't sound like a ssd, right? )
1 additional hard drive : 1tb 3.5inch serial ata (7.200 rpm) hard drive (zr)
1 hdd controller : perc h310 sata/sas controller for dell precision (zr)
1 hdd controller : integrated intel chipset controller (zr)
1 hdd configuration : c1 sata 3.5inch, 1-2 hard drives (zr)
1 unità ottica : 8x slimline dvd-rom unità (zr)
1 2 gb nvidia quadro k2000 (2 dp e 1 dvi-i) (2 adattatori dp-dvi e 1 adattatore dvi-vga) (zr)
1 mice : dell optical (not wireless), scroll usb (3 buttons scroll) black mouse (zr)
1 tastiera : italiano (qwerty) dell kb212-b quietkey usb tastiera nera (zr)
1 raid type : no raid (zr)

software
1 resource dvd : precision t3600 diagnostics and drivers (zr)
1 operating system : windows 7 professional (64bit) italian (zr)
1 os media : windows 7 professional (64bit) mui resource dvd (zr)
1 microsoft office 2013 trial (zr)
1 system management : no out-of-band systems management (zr)
1 ripristino sistema operativo dell backup and recovery manager per windows 7 sp1 (zr)
1 mcafee security center versione di prova per 30 giorni (zr)

servizi
1 base warranty (zr)
1 3yr basic warranty - next business day - minimum warranty (zr)
1 3yr prosupport and next business day on-site service (zr)

 

[TAURUS77]

I just received this offer from:

precision t3600 : standard 635w
base q.tà:1

price: I would say goodcomponents
1 processor : intel xeon processor e5-1620 (quad core, 3.60ghz turbo, 10mb) (zr)
1 memory : 16gb (4x4gb) 1600mhz ddr3 etc. rdimm (zr)
1 media card reader : 19-in-1 media card reader (zr)
1 hard drive : 250gb 3.5inch serial ata (7.200 rpm) hard drive (zr) --- (This hd doesn't sound like a ssd, right? )
1 additional hard drive : 1tb 3.5inch serial ata (7.200 rpm) hard drive (zr)
1 hdd controller : perc h310 sata/sas controller for dell precision (zr)
1 hdd controller : integrated intel chipset controller (zr)
1 hdd configuration : c1 sata 3.5inch, 1-2 hard drives (zr)
1 unità ottica : 8x slimline dvd-rom unità (zr)
1 2 gb nvidia quadro k2000 (2 dp e 1 dvi-i) (2 adattatori dp-dvi e 1 adattatore dvi-vga) (zr)
1 mice : dell optical (not wireless), scroll usb (3 buttons scroll) black mouse (zr)
1 tastiera : italiano (qwerty) dell kb212-b quietkey usb tastiera nera (zr)
1 raid type : no raid (zr)

software
1 resource dvd : precision t3600 diagnostics and drivers (zr)
1 operating system : windows 7 professional (64bit) italian (zr)
1 os media : windows 7 professional (64bit) mui resource dvd (zr)
1 microsoft office 2013 trial (zr)
1 system management : no out-of-band systems management (zr)
1 ripristino sistema operativo dell backup and recovery manager per windows 7 sp1 (zr)
1 mcafee security center versione di prova per 30 giorni (zr)

servizi
1 base warranty (zr)
1 3yr basic warranty - next business day - minimum warranty (zr)
1 3yr prosupport and next business day on-site service (zr)

How much does it cost?
yes the 250gb 7200rpm is not a ssd. Just put 250 gb and then with the difference of 68€ iva excluded buy a hd wd re4 from 1tb as it says re_solidworks in previous posts.
the ssd buys it from you with 200€ samsung 840 pro 256gb a ssd bomb.
for the video card you can compare with the following link that allows you to compare multiple cards simultaneously.http: //www.tomcardware.com/charts/g...s-cards, 1.h tml:smile:

 

[Stemox]

cost of the amount offered 2128.40€ VAT

 

[TAURUS77]

cost of the amount offered 2128.40€ VAT

I think a little caruccio if I make comparison with my ws but if I look at the assistance included in the 2128€ then we can stay
(no ssd - no 64 gb ram- no 2 hard disk- no wifi - no firepro w5000 according to me more performing than k2000)
questions:
buy it as a company or as a private company?
Is assistance essential to you?
as you see according to your needs come out different directions.
For example, our colleague re_solidworks prefers the continuity of service and total assistance, instead I point to the performances leaving the assistance I carry out from me.
According to me with that figure comes out a similar assembly to mine with superior performance but repeat are purely personal choices.
for example on the dassault forum dedicated to solidworks many users work with assembled without problems and many of them do some overclocking on cpus.
at the end of tastebus not est disputendum.

comparison k4000 vs k2000 vs w5000http://www.tomshardware. com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/compare,3277.html? prod[6163]=on&prod[6195]=on&prod[6151]= on

 

[enri]

look that with pro-e on specviewperf 11, the 2000 picture is even faster than w9000, let alone the w5000, of course I do not know in everyday use, and it is not even specified if there is some version of creo, where I think things change. the benches are found online, I have jpeg downloaded right from tom's.

ps- for curiosity, but with pro-and you make us 64 giga of ram as and where is it used?

 

[re_solidworks]

I think a little caruccio if I make comparison with my ws but if I look at the assistance included in the 2128€ then we can stay
(no ssd - no 64 gb ram- no 2 hard disk- no wifi - no firepro w5000 according to me more performing than k2000)
questions:
buy it as a company or as a private company?
Is assistance essential to you?
as you see according to your needs come out different directions.
For example, our colleague re_solidworks prefers the continuity of service and total assistance, instead I point to the performances leaving the assistance I carry out from me.
According to me with that figure comes out a similar assembly to mine with superior performance but repeat are purely personal choices.
for example on the dassault forum dedicated to solidworks many users work with assembled without problems and many of them do some overclocking on cpus.
at the end of tastebus not est disputendum.

comparison k4000 vs k2000 vs w5000http://www.tomshardware. com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/compare,3277.html? prod[6163]=on&prod[6195]=on&prod[6151]= on

careful taurus that your pc is more performing but in terms of stability with xeon and ram etc things improve, are products of higher quality and cost something extra, especially ram.
It is also true that it is slower than an overcloaked i7, but it is a lady workstation and travels very fast. 3 years warranty nbd cost, in recent quotes I asked quality components and 3 years warranty (in 5 days and not nbd) and workstation cost more than.
in my opinion could come via something, perhaps proposing immediate confirmation with bank transfer in the day, I always play it as last card.

I add that 100 euros for assembly and testing are few and if you take the components from a assembler you probably pay them more than purchased online.

 

[re_solidworks]

look that with pro-e on specviewperf 11, the 2000 picture is even faster than w9000, let alone the w5000, of course I do not know in everyday use, and it is not even specified if there is some version of creo, where I think things change. the benches are found online, I have jpeg downloaded right from tom's.

ps- for curiosity, but with pro-and you make us 64 giga of ram as and where is it used?

at the time of my last purchase we talked about tom's tests and if you remember we found the same test with opposite results. in my opinion these tests leave the time they find.

 

[cacciatorino]

ps- for curiosity, but with pro-and you make us 64 giga of ram as and where is it used?

I think we're talking about the former cocreate, not pro/engineer. Maybe ram needs it to make fem.

 

[TAURUS77]

careful taurus that your pc is more performing but in terms of stability with xeon and ram etc things improve, are products of higher quality and cost something extra, especially ram.
It is also true that it is slower than an overcloaked i7, but it is a lady workstation and travels very fast. 3 years warranty nbd cost, in recent quotes I asked quality components and 3 years warranty (in 5 days and not nbd) and workstation cost more than.
in my opinion could come via something, perhaps proposing immediate confirmation with bank transfer in the day, I always play it as last card.

I add that 100 euros for assembly and testing are few and if you take the components from a assembler you probably pay them more than purchased online.

I agree with you and without doubt a professional workstation with xeon and ram etc on the long term has something extra.
I want to point out once again that I like ws pro of, hp, lenovo-ibm but often the costs and services offered certainly of excellent level are not within reach of everyone.
Still now I have an old ws lenovo-ibm p4 2.8 ghz (it works perfectly) a bomb for the time only the house is a masterpiece and my friends and colleagues when they see it remain in open mouth.
with some time ago I broke the caveat of the power supply of the precision m90 I was working on the thesis in the period between June and July in four days from the honda I arrived the new power supply delivered with courier ups.
when at the time about eight years ago I bought at dell'I had a trustworthy business that responded to all my technical questions and technical support there was a certain marcus of which I do not remember the very prepared and courteous surname.
now with some I feel in the high sea without references if someone has some num of tel of some serious and competent commercial and that understands Italian let me know so to the next round I reorganize.

 

[TAURUS77]

look that with pro-e on specviewperf 11, the 2000 picture is even faster than w9000, let alone the w5000, of course I do not know in everyday use, and it is not even specified if there is some version of creo, where I think things change. the benches are found online, I have jpeg downloaded right from tom's.

ps- for curiosity, but with pro-and you make us 64 giga of ram as and where is it used?

Hello!
true in specviewperf 11 with pro-e the picture k2000 beats w5000. You know I missed this comparison:redface:
I had passed directly to comparison k4000 vs w5000 and altogether if they play it a par with the plus that amd costs half.
However until now the card has given me no problems and altogether it is okay to see later putting it to the whip.
64gb ram for fem, ramdisk, render
:smile:

 

[enri]

I remember, and I agree that the tests on the field are worth more, because in more than one occasion, for example with maya, there were various inconsistencies, in that case the painting beat the firepro in a daily use, in contrast to how it was from specviewperf, but I argued that from swx benches were better firepro, but the picture to what it seems to be even better. you also have to understand if they have updated the drivers, the w are just out. However pro-e has always gone better with the painting, as a casket, and not recently. But now I have no idea what you are talking about, there will be four versions of creo, and I remember already seeing that there were considerable differences, moreover they are cad different practically. :
known now that there is no creo written, as the hunter writes, but cocreate, that would be if I do not err the ex osd, I think things change then.

 

[Stemox]

I think a little caruccio if I make comparison with my ws but if I look at the assistance included in the 2128€ then we can stay
(no ssd - no 64 gb ram- no 2 hard disk- no wifi - no firepro w5000 according to me more performing than k2000)
questions:
buy it as a company or as a private company?
Is assistance essential to you?

business purchase and assistance is fundamental

 

[TAURUS77]

business purchase and assistance is fundamental

Okay!
then as re_solidworks says he tries to pull as much as possible on the price and proponi immediately confirms with transfer in the day.
another way to save a few snipers without affecting the warranty (I'm not 100% sure ask re_solidworks that with more experience) is to take a minimum configuration and then upgrade ram and hd by buying them elsewhere.