network cad3d designers in italy

[re_solidworks]

After passing point 1 we could find ourselves working on a project. the fact that there may be a single commercial is only one of the ways to redistribute the job, because my historical client could ask me to do an extra job of 5000 hours and not having the ability at that time I could ask for help to some network colleagues.
Here we have a parentheses and we have to understand whether the member will be authorized to call directly who he wants or if he has to ask the network manager, but I do not want to extend to this aspect.
to ask someone for help to carry out a business of a trusted client and where I put my face I have claims. For example, the work should be done as I say, according to my methods of work, of drawing layout, of solid modeling type and claim, not to fall into clamorous chapels due to various reasons, the quality controls I normally do. Can I really trust who assures me of these guarantees?
in recent years I have taken some work that had been left half by colleagues who had given all the guarantees of the case, leaving the customer in despair, with nothing done for not enough capacity. what guarantees will I have from other users of the network?
Moreover if I work in team and in my study I use a specific pdm, to develop a part to another study that does not have my own instrument is more harm than a gain. on the other hand giving up this tool brings me loss of quality, expenditure of resources, etc.... how do you do for large and shared projects between the various groups? who decides that tools are used and how they should be used?
then remains the fact that if you do not work side by side, a misunderstanding can turn into working days thrown in the wrong direction, to collaborate on the same project you need to see often.
Here I add: if even one is available to meet, is there the budget to be able to subsidize continuous travels for meetings and updates of the project? Are you putting minimum requirements for adsl connection to allow meetings to be held remotely?

 

[re_solidworks]

How do you do with the rates? For example, I would not be willing to work at lower rates than current rates (higher instead yes :biggrin: ).
What does the consortium take? If I ask a hand to a colleague that costs twice as much as I do, how do you do it?
Will the costs of the consortium not become additional costs that will throw out the final costs of the projects? Do you think especially if the project had to take off seriously and become a network that involves a few hundred people... what would there be to manage such a giant?

that we do not only play games, that is the activity in which I trained and that I continue to cultivate because it is the sector in which I am more specialized. In addition:
machinery for plants such as ribbons, screws, mixers, etc...
carpentry like catwalks, stairs, ramps, etc...
3d facade carpentry (like those of amusement parks).
caravan on trailer and semitrailer
Let's do something else, but that's enough for the moment. we are in 4 designers/designers + 1 programmer, the office is 90 m2 doubling in a week, the province is rovigo, if you need the list of software I write it.

 

[re_solidworks]

I have seen that others have already entered the list of software and then I put it myself:

licences cad/pdm
3 standard solidworks
1 premium solidworks
4 ready2works premium
1 proe wf 5.0 foundation + aax
2 autodesk product design premium suite
2 autocads
2 qs top (mechanical application for autocad)

Software licenses for publishing:
1 3dvia composed
8 office professional licenses

mark it teamviewer premium, just because in collaborations like this would definitely be useful.

from the point of view of use we are very experienced with solidworks, a collaborator is preparing proe. inventor I just took it and I can't declare usage experience, so I'm not experienced, but it could be the opportunity to put it under.
autocad is now practically abandoned, we use it to do stupid things (corrections, proposals/modifications to fly, etc...) but we do not plan. I used it a few years ago and had a discreet experience, but it's been a long time.

 

[SHIREN]

Well, I see the discussion goes on.

beautiful words, but the members will have ....

After passing point 1 could we?

How do you do with the rates? for example I do not.

I have seen that others have already entered the list of software and then I put it myself:
.

Hello, King......
What you write is right
But you think you want me or we don't have the same puzzles.
the same anxieties and the same fears
all that you have transmitted to us every one of us lives in our daily life
estimates
work
payments
relations with banks
relationships with customers
relationships with employees
fear not to make it
the fear of making figures of mxxxa
Ohhhhh taxist breaking suits

But I'm saying
but because we have to worry about all these things now
Right now, it's just "list"
if it really happens to take orders you ask the availability of others
If there were not this available, you don't do the job as the prob

I also add for the friend max.... .
The list is fine
Perhaps it would be the case of finding other users who have manufacturing reality
to customers you have to give the coconut already peeled
I wish you a good Sunday
Thank you very much

 

[maxopus]

Hello, King......

I also add for the friend max.... .
The list is fine
Perhaps it would be the case of finding other users who have manufacturing reality
to customers you have to give the coconut already peeled
I wish you a good Sunday
Thank you very much

We have to talk about this.
because this cannot be too heterogeneous, otherwise it becomes difficult to manage.
I'll call you later, so we'll talk about it.

 

[lattu]

[cut]... really does not scare you the idea of being able to find that same person on the other side of the table as a competitor in the future? ...[cut]

I am sure that it frightens me but as far as I am already doing it during my private lessons and considering that "insignment" mainly to the people of my area would not bother me to do it to people of other regions, or at least I would not think so much. there is to say that however you do not become able after only a dozen lessons, that does everything is experience and if then one becomes able to quickly so much of hat.

[cut]...there is already a parentheses and it is necessary to understand whether the member will be authorized to call directly who he wants or whether he will have to contact the network manager...[cut]

According to me a phone call to the manager would always be to do or even just an email

[cut]... can I really trust who assures me of these guarantees?

Of course we must know and admit our limitations but I am convinced that those who have proposed have good references, someone even excellent. I bet those who make bad figures here will have little to earn.

[cut]...how do you do for large and shared projects among the various groups? who decides that tools are used and how they should be used?

each customer follows certain types of project that in turn cover certain sectors to which it copes with specific sw. I think that not all orders could give job to all participants but could create internal micro groups where everyone works with the same sw, it is for this reason that it would be useful to find well diversified customers. I also believe that no one knows how to use only a sw and almost all sw can dialogue easily.

then remains the fact that if you do not work side by side, a misunderstanding can turn into working days thrown in the wrong direction, to collaborate on the same project you need to see often. Here I add: if even one is available to meet, is there the budget to be able to subsidize continuous travels for meetings and updates of the project? Are you putting minimum requirements for adsl connection to allow meetings to be held remotely?

the misunderstandings are there even if you work side by side, of course you will have to feel often. in my opinion it will not be necessary to move much, nowadays a connection adsl is the least that you can have

How do you do with the rates? For example, I would not be willing to work at lower rates than current rates (higher instead yes :biggrin: ).
What does the consortium take? If I ask a hand to a colleague that costs twice as much as I do, how do you do it?
Will the costs of the consortium not become additional costs that will throw out the final costs of the projects? Do you think especially if the project had to take off seriously and become a network that involves a few hundred people... what would there be to manage such a giant? . . .[cut]

to this question I would prefer to answer someone who has already had experiences about it

 

[maxopus]

hello king, these, which you have submitted, are just "the questions."
Once we have established who we are, we must immediately discuss it to understand if there are answers.
If we want to save money, we can also do it on the web, even if we have to do it sooner or later.
As far as your business commitments are concerned, we are aware of this.
If there's any project to work on and you won't have time to contribute, we'll look for an appropriate solution.

 

[maxopus]

ragassuoli, I updated the list and split it by type of users.
I have indicated the news I miss.
with regard to the category of employees, with regard to the software indicated to me the skills.
As soon as you send me everything, I will post the full list with all the data.
free professionals or company owners banda bassotti – softwarehuntergerod– software
ip design
lattulinch– software
marcof
matteo
maxopusmyface – provincia e softwarepaolocolombani – province and softwareprocatug – provincia e software
re_solidworks
shirenuluwatu _ 74 - Province e software
employees willing to cooperatecounterblow hammer – provincia e software
davide75 - attivita’, provincia e software
er presidente - softwareexatem - software
radio - activities and province and software usedmpomtequila - attivita’ e software
fulvio romano - software

 

[Er Presidente]

ragassuoli, I updated the list and split it by type of users.
I have indicated the news I miss.
with regard to the category of employees, with regard to the software indicated to me the skills.
As soon as you send me everything, I will post the full list with all the data.
free professionals or company owners
banda bassotti – softwarehuntergerod– software
ip design
lattulinch– software
marcof
matteo
maxopusmyface – provincia e softwarepaolocolombani – province and softwareprocatug – provincia e software
re_solidworks
shirenuluwatu _ 74 - Province e software
employees willing to cooperate
counterblow hammer – provincia e softwaredavide75 - activities, province and softwareer presidente - softwareexatem - softwareradio - activities and province and software usedmpomtequila - activities and softwarefulvio romano - software

Don't you know what sw I know?!? ! !
I ask the presence of a lawyer and the transmission of acts to the court of the Hague!
:biggrin:

The problem is, I don't know what it's called anymore, maybe ozzy knows.
:smile:

 

[Exatem]

...for example knowledge has never been shared.. .

...the question I would like to ask is as follows: would you really be willing to teach another member of the network your craft tricks, maybe you agree to be (at that time, on that topic) a step further? ....

Congratulations, King.
I cut your speech to underline these two phrases that I fully share for recent direct experience.
without entering into detail, right here, on cad3d, I tried to involve, to unite the knowledge and experiences to define a "procedure" that was useful and shared.
but it turned out to be an experiment destined to fail since I have not even received answers about it.
I think screening should consider and evaluate this fundamental aspect.

 

[lattu]

but in the end is not exactly what we do every day on the forum?
each of us puts into play their knowledge to share them with others, so many or few that they are

 

[Exatem]

but in the end is not exactly what we do every day on the forum?
each of us puts into play their knowledge to share them with others, so many or few that they are

Not everyone.
without going to look for the meteors that leave no sign, even among the assiduous frequetators I found hostility in sharing their knowledge. they push to a certain point but beyond you do not go.

 

[maxopus]

Don't you know what sw I know?!? ! !
I ask the presence of a lawyer and the transmission of acts to the court of the Hague!
:biggrin:

The problem is, I don't know what it's called anymore, maybe ozzy knows.
:smile:

All right, all right, I thought it was at least a dozen of the software you had.
I create direct for the moment, then it will become a toolbar of creo parametric. :biggrin:

 

[maxopus]

Not everyone.
without going to look for the meteors that leave no sign, even among the assiduous frequetators I found hostility in sharing their knowledge. they push to a certain point but beyond you do not go.

Don't worry, things never die.
next week we will resume the speech:biggrin:
I'll give it to you four enchanted.

 

[marcof]

ragassuoli, I updated the list and split it by type of users.
free professionals or company owners (cut)marcof(cut)

If it is a refusing, it takes little to correct it.
If this is an obligated enlistment, I can only express my gratitude for the trust accorded, but I am sure that my powers could serve you very little, just to keep together the chair of the President, and that I can also do it from outside to the consortium, and also for free, that two well-repealed nails do not deny to anyone:tongue:

said this I repeat that I do typhus for you, because I am convinced that the formula could be really winning and as long as you are "clear" I will continue to read you with interest.

 

[maxopus]

If it is a refusing, it takes little to correct it.
If this is an obligated enlistment, I can only express my gratitude for the trust accorded, but I am sure that my powers could serve you very little, just to keep together the chair of the President, and that I can also do it from outside to the consortium, and also for free, that two well-repealed nails do not deny to anyone:tongue:

said this I repeat that I do typhus for you, because I am convinced that the formula could be really winning and as long as you are "clear" I will continue to read you with interest.

Hi, Marco, I'm expressing my opinion... It's not an oversight.
that you are a competent person no one can question it.
I know that you take care of a sector that has little to do with laser cut sheets, cnc milling, electronics less, robotics and that of.
But I'd be sorry if you weren't part of the group.
because you have spent half your life in your hands and in one way or another your opinion on certain decisions can be qualified.

so at the moment I leave you on the list, when we meet you will decide what to do and we will hear the opinion of all the participants.

We are not here to count bristles to pigs:biggrin:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

but in the end is not exactly what we do every day on the forum?
each of us puts into play their knowledge to share them with others, so many or few that they are

I would say not exactly. One thing is to ask for advice and receive an answer, one thing and pass a piece of design and get a finished brick.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

How do you do with the rates? For example, I would not be willing to work at lower rates than current rates (higher instead yes :biggrin: ).
What does the consortium take? If I ask a hand to a colleague that costs twice as much as I do, how do you do it?
Will the costs of the consortium not become additional costs that will throw out the final costs of the projects? Do you think especially if the project had to take off seriously and become a network that involves a few hundred people... what would there be to manage such a giant?

I was trying to answer these questions with this post:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=234476&postcount=54In my opinion, such a structure could give that plus, both in technical, organizational, and in reliability, and justify the affiliation to such a consortium. What do you say?

 

[Matteo]

I read the re_solidworks intervention that has rightly brought to light the most "difficult" points.

I do the devil's lawyer by bringing some "pessimism" on some points (not sure to break the project, on the contrary to make it grow by removing the shoots too much): I've been working on a network project for years and I've had some experience.
inclusion of nonprofessionals: I continue to be against, both for a reason of "mind approach" to the concept of "business", and for practical reasons: availability on working hours, billing mode ( occasional performance? with the limit of 5000€/year? mmm...), availability of regular licenses
tariffe: it is useless to hope to find agreements, I am for a mechanism of self-regulation. a partner becomes a "promotor of a job" that is entrusted to another partner: the second makes a price, the first invoice with a margin that covers responsibility and investment in the phase of fitting to the customer. in both cases there is the convenience to be as competitive as possible by automatically balancing the relationship.
manufacturing companies: I am against, at least at first. It would be much easier to manage a small network of complementary services, at least at first.
various cultural contributions: I sincerely appreciate and admire the technical culture of many who write on the forum, but "being on the market" is another thing (unfortunately

in summary, I would start in agility with small numbers (10 members are already many) and minimum investment: coordination of web visibility and brand, structure of data exchange (common server with archive, dropbox and internal forums?), software correlation (useless to have all the same cad). then if the thing takes off and grow bigger initiatives ... better!

 

[maxopus]

I was trying to answer these questions with this post:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=234476&postcount=54In my opinion, such a structure could give that plus, both in technical, organizational, and in reliability, and justify the affiliation to such a consortium. What do you say?

That's the last problem.
we are talking about a structure that does not go to take existing customers.
on those everyone is free to continue with their own commercial modes.
you will try to undertake new ways.

I'll give you an example.
I could potentially work for ferrari and duchies.
On the contrary, for the horse I have already done indirectly a job and I went out from a hammer with the packages on the shoulders.
But since then they have not called me and I think it is only for my size, because I have nothing to envy to others in terms of quality and efficiency.
definitely turn to more structured companies able to provide a much higher number of hours.
the network could provide this possibility.
a team of 10 people who work in advanced modeling, compared to subscribers, has another presentability and reliability.
In parentheses I could make available my reverse stumentation which is equal to that used by the horse.

If the arm with laser probe I used worked full time, behind me could shape a team of 10-15 people.