pc configuration for solidworks, catia

[Alescs1986]

Good morning to all,
My name is alessandro, I am a new graduate in mechanical engineering and I need to do a lot of practice with programs like solidworks and casket.
at the university I developed only one project with solidworks so the projects I learn to do will be, at least at the beginning, simple. However, as the market requires mechanical engineers who know how to work well with such programs, I would like a machine not too "base", but able to develop even more important projects in the short term.

summing up:
- I need a new pc that supports the above programs.
- My old pc is too dated to save something (maybe the case.. is an asus wind a8)
- the budget is 1000€ monitor excluded.
- I don't have a configuration in mind, I searched on the various sites but the ideas were even more confused

thanks in advance for the advice you will provide
alessandro

 

[meccanicamg]

You have a little budget. I suggest you look at the new hp z4 workstations that are coming out only that cost 2200/2400€... I am using them for a few months in the office and I am finding myself very well. there are also the oldest z440s that are not bad and approach more to 1100/1300€. before I had olivetti workstations and something but they are not to compare at all.

 

[TAURUS77]

Hello everyone!! actually the budget is a little low...the streets are two or take a used ws or you make a assembled with an i5 8400/8600k we are around 600€ a case with medium low level components and then with 400€ put in a p2000 5gb picture video card or a wx 5100 8gb.
As for the assembly I can assure you that if well done it will have nothing to fear against branded workstations...all of course for the use you requested.

 

[TAURUS77]

processor amd ryzen 5 2600x 3.6ghz six core 12 threads up to 4.2ghz in turbo core
16gb ddr4 2400mhz
Ssd sata3 240gb
hard disk sata3 1 tera byte
dvd burner
motherboard amd b350
video card radeon pro wx 5100 8gb
sound card 5.1 onboard
lan 10/100/1000 onboard
module wifi 300n
memory card reader sd
600w certified power supply 80+ gold
Midi tower home sound absorbent with control speed internal silent fans

about 1100€

 

[TAURUS77]

great for what you have to do and how performance inineated to an i5 intel 8600k

 

[Call85]

processor amd ryzen 5 2600x 3.6ghz six core 12 threads up to 4.2ghz in turbo core
16gb ddr4 2400mhz
Ssd sata3 240gb
hard disk sata3 1 tera byte
dvd burner
motherboard amd b350
video card radeon pro wx 5100 8gb
sound card 5.1 onboard
lan 10/100/1000 onboard
module wifi 300n
memory card reader sd
600w certified power supply 80+ gold
Midi tower home sound absorbent with control speed internal silent fans

about 1100€

They have proposed you a great config, but if I can I would take the hdd from 1tera and put one from 500gb with a ssd from 240gb is more than enough since at first it is not that you would have so much data to put: if you are smart you can also format the old hdd in fat32 or nfts and reuse it as storage media.
I would leve the wifi module, the reader sd.
I would evaluate whether to take the nvidia picture p400 (125€) or p600 (250€) since you could enjoy the heart cubes that with the fem/cad are not little. the cards have both 2gb but, I think they are more than enough at first since it is not said you will have to do great assemblies and in the future in the company should give you a fixed them.
with the saved mountain rams from 2933mhz (check the site amd those compatible), because ryzens are sensitive to frequency (the higher and the better they go).

 

[Call85]

p.s. you can also take the wx 3100 instead of the p600, price practically equal but 4gb ram and performance a little higher.

 

[stevie]

I also ordered the pieces for an assembly, if you care:

amd 1800x
mb asus x370 prime pro
32 gb ddr4 ram
hd 2 tb (not ssd)
graphics card amd wx3100

houses and power supply 600w we are on 1050,00 € VAT included s.o. excluded

When I get there, I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[Alescs1986]

Good morning.
First of all, excuse the delay in the answer but I was out of Italy and thank you for the configurations you are proposing.
I am actually interested in a assembled more than a ws already made.
I would have some questions to ask you:
- Why do you propose amd and unintel processors? Are they better to work in cad or is it an economic matter?
- I have the opportunity to buy for 350 euros a used pc of which I bring back the characteristics (of course I know well who is selling me the product and I know how it treats the things of its own property) :

characteristics:
processor intel i5 750 2,67ghz
mother card asus p7p55d usb3.0
memory ram 8gb dual channel corsair xms3 1333mhz
graphics card geforce gtx 550ti 1.5gb ram gddr5 dual dvi+hdmi
monitor samsung syncmaster 214t 1600x1200 60hz
hard disk 1 sandisk ssd 120gb (solid state with operating system)
hard disk 2 maxtor diamondmax23 500gb
master 1 bluray felicin ihbs112
2 plextor dvd px-820sa
power supply cooler master rs-500 500w front drawer for removable hd
apc continuity group back-ups cs 650
keyboard and mause wireless logitech k260
Windows 10 pro 64bit operating system
desktop case midi tower with two front usb, black color.

Do you give me a general assessment?
better make an upgrade of this seen the moderate price, or better switch to the proposed configurations above?
if you can bet on an upgrade, what do you propose?

 

[stevie]

we say that the exposed one is a configuration of 7-8 years ago, besides it is a generic pc, certainly not a workstation for use with software cad.
at this point with 400-500 euros you could buy workstation cad a few years ago, if you look for it on ebay, especially from germany and uk.
with regard to the advice of using amd processors is due to the excellent value for money.

 

[TAURUS77]

we say that the exposed one is a configuration of 7-8 years ago, besides it is a generic pc, certainly not a workstation for use with software cad.
at this point with 400-500 euros you could buy workstation cad a few years ago, if you look for it on ebay, especially from germany and uk.
with regard to the advice of using amd processors is due to the excellent value for money.

I also agree with you...it is a configuration too dated....the only way to give it a wake up is to put in an i7-875k or an i7-880 and maybe give it a 4ghz pump (on the bay still found) and to change the video card with a more performant to work well with cad. a configuration similar the rag assembly in its time with an i7 860 that today the ownerhttp://www.c-amie.co.uk/technical/r...d-an-i7-860-with-32gb-ddr3-12800-1600mhz-ram/https://www.asus.com/it/motherboards/p7p55de/specifications/.
I think if you put a professional vga and an above mentioned i7 you're fine and don't go to misfortune, the ssd is a little small and the mechanical hd is not a lightning of war.
I carry the result of specviewperf 12 with a p1000 picture.... it could be interesting to install this professional vga in this configuration.https://www.spec.org/gwpg/gpc.data/vp12.1/dell/t5820_p1000/resulthtml.html

 

[TAURUS77]

we make two accounts: i7 875k or i7 880 about 100€, picture p1000 about 200€, 16gb ddr3 2x8gb 1333mhz about 120€ all for a total of 420€ to be added to 350€ and we are 770€.

 

[Alescs1986]

ok, we discard the upgrade option of the pc from 350€, from what you have written it does not suit at all!
Taking inspiration from what you have previously written, I propose this configuration per pc new:- motherboard

asus prime x370-pro scheda madre, socket am4 x370, aura sync, 32 gb/s m.2, dp/hdmi, usb 3.1​

- processor

amd ryzen 7,1800x - processor 4,0 ghz - socket am4​

- ram

high performance desktop memory, 16 gb (2 x 8 gb), ddr4, 3000 mhz, c15 xmp 2.0, black​

- graphics card

amd radeon pro wx 3100 4gb gddr5​

- power supply

thermaltake smart se 530w​

SSD

fire 860 evo 250 gb​

-hd

western digital blue 1 tb​

total expenditure: 893,4 € (basic prices)

What do you think?
changes to be made?
Do you recommend me a house?
which heat sink for cpu?
Is there any hardware vendor you recommend?

thanks as always for the answers!

 

[Alescs1986]

another doubt. .
the rams I brought up, can I take full advantage of them without overclocking?
the question arises because on the site asus is reported:
amd ryzenTM processors4 x dimm, max. 64gb, ddr4 3200(o.c.)/2933(o.c.)/2666/2400/2133 mhz etc and non-ecc, un-buffered memory amd 7th generation a-series/athlon™ processors
4 x dimm, max. 64gb, ddr4 2400/2133 mhz non-ecc, un-buffered memory
dual channel memory architecture
* refer to www.asus.com for the memory qvl (qualified vendors lists).

 

[TAURUS77]

1) Ask thirsty make a soft overclock on all 4.5ghz cores with a good liquid heater or a decent air noctua about 100€
2) default rams go to the minimum frequency 2666mhz if then go to dismantle you can bring to the oc frequencies
3) the thermaltake smart if 530w according to me is a bad power supply put something decent certificate at least 80 gold + what comes to mind now is a supernova modular evga about €120
4) For houses there are all prices....what do you want to spend?

 

[TAURUS77]

I try to follow what the owner of the i7-860 I mentioned above
- enermax liqmax 240 heat sink
- psu evga supernova 650 g3
- houses nzxt h500i/500 series

 

[Alescs1986]

1) Do you think it is necessary to make the pverclock of the cores? I read here and the internet that amd, unlike intel, already provides good dissopators cn the processor. among the sinks I have seen (type the nh-d15) an am4 socket compatibility kit is always provided. do you know the reason for these changes to be made and if they can trouble?
2) Are rams good or if I do not do better to seize something cheaper? (they cost 160 euros, if I have to save 10 euros for something less performing are good these obviously)
3) for the power supply I look for and tell you
4) for houses.. not so much, just be quiet, with a pair of fans maybe or a big one that still doesn't make noise. With what I have now I wouldn't sleep at night if the pc remained on

 

[TAURUS77]

1) Do you think it is necessary to make the pverclock of the cores? I read here and the internet that amd, unlike intel, already provides good dissopators cn the processor. among the sinks I have seen (type the nh-d15) an am4 socket compatibility kit is always provided. do you know the reason for these changes to be made and if they can trouble?
2) Are rams good or if I do not do better to seize something cheaper? (they cost 160 euros, if I have to save 10 euros for something less performing are good these obviously)
3) for the power supply I look for and tell you
4) for houses.. not so much, just be quiet, with a pair of fans maybe or a big one that still doesn't make noise. With what I have now I wouldn't sleep at night if the pc remained on

1) I think you...for what I can if there is margin I try to optimize the use of cpu without compromising its reliability
2) no problem for the noctua nh-d15....I have nh d14 with the adapter for socket 2011 intel...the liquid would not discard it
3) the rams are fine but if you do a soft oc something more bad does not
4) where there are fans there is noise.... reduce noise is possible but the costs rise and not little. the fans of my nh-d14 are set to 500rpm and if the temp of the cpu rises beyond the 45°c reach up to 1200rpm.

 

[Alescs1986]

Since I have never had a liquid heat sink, do they give any extra management problems than those with air? If you think you need to install a heat sink, would you recommend one to air?
in the configuration I hypothesized a rice 7 1800x. better this or amd ryzen 5 2600x 3.6ghz sei core 12 threads fino a 4.2ghz in turbo core that I was initially proposed? As they have the same price about, I ask myself this question.

 

[Alescs1986]

ok you have already answered the first part of the text.. :