term licenses (note) or perpetual (owned)? !

[Albert.Dossena]

good morning to all, by now most cad manufacturers (but in general software) are moving - completely or in part - on a model of saas licenses (...to rent therefore) instead of ownership licenses. in practice works as the electricity bill: You pay it and the power comes, you stop paying it and the power is off.
clear that x customers exist cases where the flexibility of the rental is clearly advantageous. es: I have to adopt some technology for a limited time, to follow a specific project, then the rental is ideal solution.... but:
1) This is not the reality of May part of the companies... .
2) with cad we are not talking about current, but intellectual property. . fundamental asset of companies.. .
What do you think?
I think it would be interesting to share the reasons of who is in favor or disadvantage of one or other model

 

[Onda]

the speech is complex, because it must also take into account maintenance.
I see three scenarios:
perpetual license without maintenance
perpetual license with maintenance contract
licence for annual or multiannual rent

I use all three solutions depending on:
- if the program is mature, and undergoes few changes from year to year (typically autocad, package office) I prefer perpetual license without maintenance.
- if the program evolves from one year to another and this important evolution is considered, the maintenance contract must be opened. for example solidworks is under annual maintenance. purchased. when I bought it there was not even the possibility of software as a service, and now I keep it updated with the maintenance program.
- some programs are provided in a software bundle with an annual fee, it is the case of the msc one package, which I pay annually. buy individual programs and keep them up to date would have a prohibitive cost.

to make the choice you need to understand how much you lose by not updating the software and how many years you think it can be used without having to be replaced.
I do an example: I had 5 nodelocked licenses of autocad 2008 lt. I used them until 2020. so the purchase cost I spread it over 12 years of use. Obviously in 2020 the 2008 autocad was very exceeded, but the final annual cost posting was very low. If I had paid an annual fee I would have spent much more. Of course I have used obsolete software and in recent years I have had some difficulty with the interchange files (superable). some difficulties with updating operating systems, but paradoxically 2008 also installed on win10 64bit.
I have now passed to progecad without maintenance contract, because I have considered that the dry purchase is worth more than keeping the software in maintenance, and that the annual cost of autocad lt is not worth the product. once again purchase without annual updates, because I think that over time is the most convenient option and I do not need an update to the latest version.
I normally do a graph with the annual cost, maintenance cost and rent cost, and I see where the meeting point is, then I decide how to move.

 

[ale47p]

all the companies I know who have worked in the last 15/20 always with the same software cad/cam, which over time have bought permanent licenses and paid assistance/annual or multiannual updates, are inferocite from being "costrette" to pay subscriptions, especially if you had several licenses. those are dead.
for them there is absolutely no advantage in all this.
backup in the cloud I see it as something to fill the marketing leaflet. Imagine if a company doesn't have at least a couple of backups done well...
then, make sure that one hits with the car in the street the phone booth and stays without the internet.. Technical office of 10 designers. What are you doing? hotspot with your phone?
Moreover, if you look at the medium/long period economically is also worse

 

[Shotfree]

personally they are for perpetual licenses, I don't like the idea of having to be bound to management costs (although very high) in the face of a term software license. returning to the example of the electric current, if a manager proposes better fares to make the switch is in fact free, while in the world cad (but more generally than the vast majority of the software) once started with one I can not simply change "gestor", then I become hostage of the producer who can play it and sing it a little as you think. I want to make a very simple example, if I have a small medium company that uses creo and tomorrow I decide to dismiss this cad in favor of a new platform (because I find that the addition of the fluid analysis module costs 50000€ one tantum + annual license to renew and I can not or want to discourage this expense), the change will cost me an avalanche of working hours and the use of resources for the generation of the new library cad, often resulting, Another example (mera personal experience) are the licenses that change order, until yesterday I had a rendering module, from tomorrow if I want to add 600€/year, in this way, in addition to limiting competition, they place the companies in front of forced choices. instead of perpetual licenses would allow a gradual switch, considering that I can keep my licenses active on two cads and continue to maintain the old models while gradually stepping everything on the new platform.

 

[stevie]

He's been talking about it for a while. .
the rental software is very advantageous...for the software house!! !
for me it is a matter of not a scam of an attitude to the limit of legality, to which practically all the main software houses have joined in mass, creating a cartel (I fans smile at the various fanboys who defend to obscurity a certain software compared to others).
apart from very few cases (perhaps 10%) for most users it is a nice trick, we call things with their name.
I don't accidentally know a lot of people who now hold their old permanent licenses and arrange with those.
Moreover it is not a coincidence that the few products that have not "fair" to this bad fashion are gaining market bands. . .

 

[ragnol]

Am I wrong to think about it, or switching to subscription systems, cloud etc. allows software houses even a limitation of pirate software?

 

[aiq]

I bring back my experience:
to the seller who tried to make me "the subscription" in the vex of the perpetual license acqusite (at home I have so many boxes of software that I could do the domino effect), I told him that if I finished working and I did not renew the subscription I could not have opened the files in order to be able to do some studies (to make offers to take some other works and that would allow me to repay the subscription) and that therefore I would be difficult in my business. . .
he specifically told me to download a pirate version.
I didn't fight again. . .

result: if I had something really mine, and not "my customers", I do it on paper the project.. .

 

[stefanobruno]

I don't accidentally know a lot of people who now hold their old permanent licenses and arrange with those.

I upheld until I could, and I would continue with my fine perpetual licenses kept annually, sin that autodesk decided that they would not have kept them on the list anymore.
Of course, they made me a great price and until 2028 (!!), but the feeling of injustice and frigging flanks me every holy day.
every time I open up and see thisI can cry.
If I want a lathe, I can decide to buy it "my" or make a lease, who knows why a software must be renting?
The answer lies in the fact that they have now reached a point where there is no more margin for improvement, every rel. changes for marginal issues, all moments there is to give a judgment on the new ui, on the novelty to make holes and series, but in essence " nothing new under the sun".
the improvement of speed is always theoretical, the big assemblies are always left to the handle of those on the other side of the monitor.
one thing, however, changed immediately and always, the file format, so the old did not read the new.
I have written specifically to the past, I see and predict that I miss this will change, there will no longer be need, so that we will always be all aligned and covered, by force.

 

[Shotfree]

Am I wrong to think about it, or switching to subscription systems, cloud etc. allows software houses even a limitation of pirate software?

the annual licenses do not solve this problem, since already for several years (before the licenses to annual renewal) the software house identified the firms that used pirate versions of their programs and forced them to adjust. I have heard cases (people I personally knew) with all paid licenses and a pirate being caught using the pirate license and then forced to buy a further license, penalty the complaint. This is, of course, right, because piracy is not good, but it is not good for the current licensing system, which I think is beneficial only for studies that take account of third parties and for the same manufacturers of the various software.

 

[cacciatorino]

Am I wrong to think about it, or switching to subscription systems, cloud etc. allows software houses even a limitation of pirate software?

I don't think, I think the transition to subscription software is forcing you to pay annually even when updates are really minimal and therefore would be superfluous. A benefit is perhaps taxable, it seems to me that the depreciation of the permanent software is doing it in four years, while the renter downloads it all over the current year.

 

[320i S]

Am I wrong to think about it, or switching to subscription systems, cloud etc. allows software houses even a limitation of pirate software?

with the spread of 3d printers, piracy in this sense is more than ever active.

 

[cacciatorino]

I bring back my experience:
to the seller who tried to make me "the subscription" in the vex of the perpetual license acqusite (at home I have so many boxes of software that I could do the domino effect), I told him that if I finished working and I did not renew the subscription I could not have opened the files in order to be able to do some studies (to make offers to take some other works and that would allow me to repay the subscription) and that therefore I would be difficult in my business. . .
he specifically told me to download a pirate version.
I didn't fight again. . .

result: if I had something really mine, and not "my customers", I do it on paper the project.. .

it would be a good habit to save the project documentation in neutral formats, at the end of work (pdf, step, dxf), but nobody does it....

 

[ragnol]

with the spread of 3d printers, piracy in this sense is more than ever active.

ah...I thought that the new licensing systems (and their type I read here on the forum: servers etc.) were much more effective in countering the use of pirate software

 

[Shotfree]

it would be a good habit to save the project documentation in neutral formats, at the end of work (pdf, step, dxf), but nobody does it....

ciao @cacciatorino , the point and that export is good for all those projects "use and throw", or rather all those details of projects that remain crystallized over time and do not undergo changes. I bring you my case, I realize drawings for production items in series that undergo changes with high cadence, the export would not allow me to redefine work or vary them if not passing by size and sewings (which makes sense to the parametric cad), so it would be a great thing to crystallize the job, but would represent only a safety exit for emergencies (at least in my case)

 

[cacciatorino]

ciao @cacciatorino , the point and that export is good for all those projects "use and throw", or rather all those details of projects that remain crystallized over time and do not undergo changes. I bring you my case, I realize drawings for production items in series that undergo changes with high cadence, the export would not allow me to redefine work or vary them if not passing by size and sewings (which makes sense to the parametric cad), so it would be a great thing to crystallize the job, but would represent only a safety exit for emergencies (at least in my case)

yes yes yes.... in your case you should consider whether to resume the rental license for specific work or to start from the neutral format with the current cad.

 

[Gabriele SWX]

According to me rental licenses can be convenient for design studies that, due to specific customer requests, are forced to use more cad.
maintain active licenses of nx, creo, etc. for perhaps not to use them frequently is honorable.
in this way you "activate rental" only when needed.
for those who work assiduously with the same cad I think it is convenient a purchase formula + possible maintenance contract.
According to me the software houses have realized that more and more users buy software and then do not renew the update contracts, preferring to "buy them" every tot years and thus saving something.

 

[ragnol]

already, problem that would turn out less if the updates always contained "fast" important new, or if the price of the update was proportional to the new introduced. . .

 

[cacciatorino]

The latest updates were more dictated by the seven to 10 pass than anything else. .

 

[320i S]

ah...I thought that the new licensing systems (and their type I read here on the forum: servers etc.) were much more effective in countering the use of pirate software

It's the secret of fleas how to get around the problem.