that 3d choose?

[enri]

I don't say it's the best solution, but it's not entirely out of place, I didn't recommend 3d studio. Rhino, however, is not the case you want to describe.

 

[mariuss.r]

Since the argument of the discussion to much to do with mechanics and the development of sheet metals, I move the discussion on mechanical cads in comparison.

 

[maxopus]

I don't say it's the best solution, but it's not entirely out of place, I didn't recommend 3d studio. Rhino, however, is not the case you want to describe.

Of course the goat is tough:biggrin:
I didn't say it was a bowl, I said that having to choose would be the wrong choice.
you can not take rhino to design in the field of mechanics.
and you can not make such a choice only on the basis of the price.
If half of the things I do is sheet metal (just to make an example) with rhino I will put 10 times the time I put on with a cad with specific functions.
therefore having saved 4000 euros at the beginning means to put them back within 4 months.
having to put in the table assemblies, explodes and sections is much faster with swx or if or pro/e than with rhino ... to the first together with a minimum of complexity to have to put on the table, with so much of distinct and bubble you have played the presumed initial saving.

If you go outside of these, the investment is wrong.

 

[re_solidworks]

This is not clear to me. in pro/e if I work in top-down (without aax), I do not worry about mating. I use the default positioning (sysco with sysco) and relay features to other components.
If instead I use the aax there is no piece, in the sense that the skeleton is directly published in the parts and then you can relate to what you want.

If, for example, models in the context of a sheet and you have to place another 10 using couplings, you will find apples if you have the plans positioned consistently with the part, at least for me it is. I do not use the faces and edges for matings therefore it is easier to have the whole aligned. with swx 2 line-line couplings (clear) are enough for you and are speeds to insert.
aax I have but never used it as it is not required by my customers and I can not use it. then when I was doing the course stopped work with proes and we stopped at the base.

What do you mean when you say it's impossible to change references to the tables?
If you use a start-part model with a connected table, the table is created automatically.

Okay, when I modeled a component and I have to do more for "clonation" if I don't complete the "master" table immediately then I'll be forced to do it all by hand.
with complete swx the model (all) and after approval finish the first table, I make so many copies as are the cloants models and then change the references.
with the pdm I can also "save a style" and propagate it automatically to more particular, even tens or hundreds.

on this I do not express judgments.
efx is definitely more evolved than the structural members of swx.
can be that by spending those 4500 euros extra you can employ a 1/3 of the time you use in swx.

I don't know efx well, I only saw demos. structural members are very powerful and little optimized "factory", I assure you that you can do very and very quickly.
the procedures with efx are similar and I do not think there are big differences. I think big differences are with specific cads for carpentry, but then you only have to do that.

 

[rickcick]

Thank you for everything, I almost decided.. .
are at the latest with inventor (product design suite premium) against solidworks (classic)... I believe that in the end, they are quite equivalent in regards to sheet and carpentry modules. . clearly who a little more performing for some things than for others... as I have already said we do heavy metal carpentry (he, cnp, sheet with development of complex geometries) and a bit of mechanics (movements of several parts) in the foundry sector, we make casting ovens ... I would ask you if any of you have had the opportunity to use both 3d well and considering that I am completely fast, as in his heart to advise me... I don't have time to evaluate anything else, considering that I started from rhino to get to these two midranges... according to you what is the most developed, the most sold and which of the two most intuitive, easy... and above all sold, in case one should change work, which of the two companies seek as known software. . .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I don't have time to evaluate anything else, considering that I started from rhino to get to these two midranges... according to you what is the most developed, the most sold and which of the two most intuitive, easy... and above all sold, in case one should change work, which of the two companies seek as known software. . .

I'm sorry about the banal question, but why don't you have time to consider anything else?
for my experience I tell you that it is better to learn something more difficult at first than an easy and accommodating one, on the question of the most sold or more intuitive it is useless to say, it is always subjective and any retailer you will meet will tell you that its is the most widespread on the market that is the most intuitive and that it is the least expensive, pulling you out sometimes colossal balls and reading statistics taken from who knows and where
If you make a choice based on this I'm sorry to say you've already made a mistake at the start and then... Today you make sheets and you know how to use that software that is even more suitable than another, tomorrow you have an unrelenting opportunity in another company that makes die molds, you really think that modeling techniques using the same software but in another field are the same?
Think. . .
greetings

 

[rickcick]

the fact is that I have to choose within 15 days... Please tell me only about these two. .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

the fact is that I have to choose within 15 days... Please tell me only about these two. .

I just don't understand. . .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ps: buy swx even if it will change kernel....
if not buy creo (ex proe but here I would be part), inventor let it go.

greetings

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the fact is that I have to choose within 15 days... Please tell me only about these two. .

I just don't understand. . .

I'd say something.
there are dozens of software, you took two randomly (right? I didn't follow everything...) and now you have to choose between these two.
At this point, choose randomly among these two, you will get an evaluation that will certainly be wrong, but the magnitude of the error will not be much greater than what you would get with an oculated choice between these two alone.

I don't know if I explained. . .

 

[rickcick]

no, they are not two randomly, we say that they are the two that more or less have been defined until now and that, even economically they are on the same price range... What do you say? I accept advice.. .

 

[re_solidworks]

I'd say something.
there are dozens of software, you took two randomly (right? I didn't follow everything...) and now you have to choose between these two.
At this point, choose randomly among these two, you will get an evaluation that will certainly be wrong, but the magnitude of the error will not be much greater than what you would get with an oculated choice between these two alone.

I don't know if I explained. . .

Well, be careful that what he asked to do is done quietly with solidworks and I also presume with inventor, therefore the choice will not be wrong.
in my opinion solidworks in modeling is superior to inventor, but for example does not have a dwg editor up to autocad mechanical. some users say that in the table inventor is better, I do not know, I have not yet arrived and with the learning of inventor I am firm for lack of time.
In any case I chose solidworks 12 years ago and if I had to remake the choice with the hind of then.... I would make it even more equal.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

thank you for all the many advices.... I attend... to today I contacted the inventor and solidworks dealer, they came to visit me and have widely praised their product as the most sold, more complete etc... in the first analysis and despite the demonstrations, for me and my colleague, it is very difficult to choose. . economically speaking I have not yet arrived at the bottom of the pot, I have not yet treated... according to you, who would you choose and why? What are the most important differences?

I take this post written on 22/07.

no, they are not two randomly, we say that they are the two that more or less have been defined until now and that, even economically they are on the same price range... What do you say? I accept advice.. .

Forgive me I'll also be pedant, but... if you and your partner after receiving both dealers and seeing their demonstrations, you had difficulty understanding what it does for you and making an objective choice, how can a forum made of people, take away doubts? I think you only feed them more...
The only thing I need to tell you is to choose a level partner who knows how to support you properly in the initial start-up, that gives you a proper training plan, both in terms of cost and benefits and possibly that can help you in times of difficulty at counseling level.
have you evaluated this in their respective retailers?

 

[rickcick]

Yeah. both in a certain way, you are told to give strength in case of need. . .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Yeah. both in a certain way, you are told to give strength in case of need. . .

How many training days have you proposed to be operational?
and at the level of costs per day how are they located? transfer fees included or excluded?
customer references in your industry?

 

[Tequila]

How many training days have you proposed to be operational?
and at the level of costs per day how are they located? transfer fees included or excluded?
customer references in your industry?

add assistance/maintenance costs... 1 time a year change releases and keep aligned is not to be underestimated, so make yourself indicate on the offers these costs.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

add assistance/maintenance costs... 1 time a year change releases and keep aligned is not to be underestimated, so make yourself indicate on the offers these costs.

Of course, I assume that the maintenance offer is integrated into the software offer, better to emphasize it. :wink:

 

[rickcick]

the course for inventor is 5 days at ns the company, while for sw is 4... the cost is similar.
customer references we do not have, we occupy a sector enough niche and our competitors are few and especially big... In any case, I could inform myself. . .

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I had read somewhere that your company deals with casting ovens... Is that correct?

 

[re_solidworks]

for inventor maintenance costs less (1200 a year against 1500 swx) but swx includes direct support of a retailer, inventor would require it separately.
with swx you can suspend maintenance for 10 years and return with 500 euros extra, with inventor spent 3 versions you have to buy it again.
proe costs more than the other 2 (1920 for the found. if I don't remember bad) and politics is similar to that of autodesk, you should always stay in assince or when you return you pay for the time you stayed out. in reality both for autodesk and for ptc there are often promos to "reent".