Tristan
Guest
ahahah...no, like many other things
Whooring
Guest
I'm evaluating it as purchase but even if at a first glance it looks like autocad under the differences there are.
I use a sheet with inside a set of blocks when I have to make certain tables and zw does not see all a series of objects that in autocad instead exist and use tranquellously.
I don't see 15 blocks that autocad makes me appear.
another problem I found on prints: How the hell do you print in monochrome?
It costs a third but the reason is there.
However in my opinion if you start using it and you configure it (if you can) so bad it is not.
I use a sheet with inside a set of blocks when I have to make certain tables and zw does not see all a series of objects that in autocad instead exist and use tranquellously.
I don't see 15 blocks that autocad makes me appear.
another problem I found on prints: How the hell do you print in monochrome?
It costs a third but the reason is there.
However in my opinion if you start using it and you configure it (if you can) so bad it is not.
ghirosoft
Guest
much less than a third if compared to autocad that is not lt
the problem of the blocks to me and my colleagues has never happened, the problem we have on the preview of print and on the layouts (eg the other day on some layouts you did not see everything while previewing print you and then printing everything.
I press that we do not make 3d but electrical and thermohydraulic plants, but of blocks we also insert hundreds at times, indeed many times.
the problem of the blocks to me and my colleagues has never happened, the problem we have on the preview of print and on the layouts (eg the other day on some layouts you did not see everything while previewing print you and then printing everything.
I press that we do not make 3d but electrical and thermohydraulic plants, but of blocks we also insert hundreds at times, indeed many times.
Tristan
Guest
I agree with you that autodesk is a little caruccia about its products, but do not think that zwcad costs little; it costs what must cost. Nobody gives you anything. there are no data fields, there are no annotative objects, there are no dynamic blocks, there are no geometric and/or dimensional constraints, there are no tables resulting in connection to excel and data extraction, there is no solid modeling and nurbs as in the new 2011 autocad (the commands of the 3d zwcad are those 4 tools in cross that had autocad 2006 and prec.) and away. Moreover, if I can afford, at the current state of things only a madman would spend 4775 euri + iva for autocad!! or stand on lt that with 1200-1450 European you take it home or go on a vertical: autocad civil 3d for those who take care of territory and civil engineering, autocad revit architecture suite for those who make construction and architecture, autocad revit structure suite for those who make structures, inventor suites for those who make mechanics and so on.
I give you an example:
autocad 2011 => 4775+iva
autocad revit architecture suite (which includes a license of autocad, 1 of autocad architecture and 1 of revit architecture, then 3 licenses of 3 products, installed also on 3 different stations and, if in sub, on 6 stations) => 6250+iva
You want to put?
for those who use the cad to pull 4 lines a month then ok, zwcad is a great compromise, but if you have to design with the capital p, you rely on a 300 euro software made by the Chinese and without any assistance? meditate.. .
ghirosoft
Guest
in fact for us that 3d we do not and not even direct links type excel, but we have customized (now since '98) with vba and autolisp/lisp and however such customizations through vba interface with access and excel.
Since we took 10 licenses... .
Well, come on. we do 5 rows per month
but we insert a few thousand blocks even one file. and then 5 per month x 10 people! !
cmq for those who like us do not need big things.. .
Since we took 10 licenses... .
Well, come on. we do 5 rows per month
but we insert a few thousand blocks even one file. and then 5 per month x 10 people! !cmq for those who like us do not need big things.. .
ghirosoft
Guest
toh.... I just downloaded the 2011 beta version and so first caught I saw that they added the "data fields"
spazialex
Guest
I just learned...
Note: I have the serial since 28.5.2010
that the upgrade from 2010 to 2011 costs me almost as much as the 1st purchase, in practice if I go to the fair and buy another with 90€ in + of the price of the proposed upgrade I have a new license 2011 and I remain a 2010 ....
and think that I abandoned an expensive autodesk architecture 2009 to not make subcription, I like to have updated versions also for consistency with operating systems, but you can't for minimal upgrades ask all that money.
Note: I have the serial since 28.5.2010
that the upgrade from 2010 to 2011 costs me almost as much as the 1st purchase, in practice if I go to the fair and buy another with 90€ in + of the price of the proposed upgrade I have a new license 2011 and I remain a 2010 ....
and think that I abandoned an expensive autodesk architecture 2009 to not make subcription, I like to have updated versions also for consistency with operating systems, but you can't for minimal upgrades ask all that money.
ghirosoft
Guest
But how much did it cost you?
Tristan
Guest
have also inserted tables and constraints...and good yellow muses:biggrin:
Tristan
Guest
Well, abandoning architecture for zwcad... it's daring. Beyond the initial investment you made for arch, but zwcad does not even have a third of the tools of the autodesk product.
ghirosoft
Guest
in fact costs almost 10 times less than autocad.. .
spazialex
Guest
I paid 8 months ago €390+iva now ask me more €300+iva
is not so much the cost in itself, but the proportion between the bait (it buys the first time) and maintenance. . .
is not so much the cost in itself, but the proportion between the bait (it buys the first time) and maintenance. . .
spazialex
Guest
I bought full autocad 2002 at the time of the law tremonti, once I was a real designer ... now I have less time. .
(I made miracles in 1988 with autosketch 1.07 for dos and cga monochromatic set 640x200 on compatible ibm xt
:smile: )then I broke up paying for updates....
jeanclaude
Guest
Dilemma: bricscad or zwcad?
ghirosoft
Guest
Hi.
we took zwcad because he had server licenses, now I don't know if briscad updated from this point of view.
briscad couldn't prove it as much as zw since we've had it for a year.
the positive thing of briscad is that as a menu, lisp/vlisp and vba is compatible while with zw there are small differencies in lisp and in vba there is mainly the cad object that is not cad/acad but zwcad or zcad.... Sort of.
3d we don't use it.
customize with zw the menu you go again with .mnu or mns. but it is rognose if you have to change often a menu with toolbars (it loses especially the location of toolbars) as in our case of company. then I leave the custom toolbars (I mean both as icons and commands) fixed, and for the drop-down menus I make practicing a "carmenu".
has a limit on the preview zoom of print which is a little limited.
a positive thing about zw is that Chinese technicians are very available.
I know for certain that you can have licenses (keys) at least for a month (if you have a valid commercial. the demo is complete but has the limit on the rescue 800 kbyte.
now 2011 also has fields.
I don't think of anything at the moment.
at the end however it is very compatible (except for lisp and vba, but all solved) with autocad.
I will have changed about 150 lisp programs 3-4 then where certain parts of code were repeated, copying what was to be changed. but in re-examine the code to fit it right on a hand.
with vba you can step by step while with vlisp no (this is also valid for briscad)
If you can get you licensed, do it. we asked for another month, but we took 10 at the end.
Bye.
p.s: if you want some clarification on zwcad I'm here.
we took zwcad because he had server licenses, now I don't know if briscad updated from this point of view.
briscad couldn't prove it as much as zw since we've had it for a year.
the positive thing of briscad is that as a menu, lisp/vlisp and vba is compatible while with zw there are small differencies in lisp and in vba there is mainly the cad object that is not cad/acad but zwcad or zcad.... Sort of.
3d we don't use it.
customize with zw the menu you go again with .mnu or mns. but it is rognose if you have to change often a menu with toolbars (it loses especially the location of toolbars) as in our case of company. then I leave the custom toolbars (I mean both as icons and commands) fixed, and for the drop-down menus I make practicing a "carmenu".
has a limit on the preview zoom of print which is a little limited.
a positive thing about zw is that Chinese technicians are very available.
I know for certain that you can have licenses (keys) at least for a month (if you have a valid commercial. the demo is complete but has the limit on the rescue 800 kbyte.
now 2011 also has fields.
I don't think of anything at the moment.
at the end however it is very compatible (except for lisp and vba, but all solved) with autocad.
I will have changed about 150 lisp programs 3-4 then where certain parts of code were repeated, copying what was to be changed. but in re-examine the code to fit it right on a hand.
with vba you can step by step while with vlisp no (this is also valid for briscad)
If you can get you licensed, do it. we asked for another month, but we took 10 at the end.
Bye.
p.s: if you want some clarification on zwcad I'm here.
jeanclaude
Guest
Thanks for the advice! !
Tristan
Guest
zwcad 2011 I think it has also inserted the constraints...but as long as they do not add the annotation scales and dynamic blocks in my opinion remains always a serial product c
ghirosoft
Guest
I'm sorry. for that money what you claim.
Tristan
Guest
in fact...but it does not cost little only for "essential" features; the cost is also due to the fact that the development is not linked to the work of the ingenuity of the programmers (or those for them) but is all copied of healthy plant! so all the research part is jumped to evener. and we don't talk about irresponsible costs!
GP.
Guest
two weeks ago I attended one of those conventions that are organized for the obtainment of training credits, the software house sponsor of the event offered zwcad (listino 450 €) to 300 € if you bought within thirty days, to 150 € :tongue: if you bought it immediately.
Regardless of the economic evaluations that must rightly make those who buy (the value for this product looks great), I have always wondered how it can be legal to copy so shamelessly the interface of a software.
