zw3d chi lo usa?

[Kattivo83]

the point is this: in the design phase the operator must have the focus on the project, not on the software. now vien from if that at the time of changing a software, the attention moves on the software to look for those functions that you knew before they were without thinking about it. Anyway, by past experience (years 2012 - 2104) we worked shoulder to shoulder I with zw3d and a former colleague with summittron e10. I only tell you that after finishing drawing I had to wait for him because I still calculated the drilling cycles. Then it's up to you to decide.

 

[drake]

Hello everyone, I have already started the discussion elsewhere but I have not received any answer, so I try here since I have seen that there are users who use both solidworks and zw3d. I am a sw user, a little disappointed that starts looking around.
the ds sincerely disappointed me in many respects, first of all having changed the rules of the game and eliminating the possibility to return to assistance when it was considered appropriate by applying a small penalty. it was the thing that mainly made me opt to his time x sw. As we talk about several money, if I can find a worthy substitute and maybe cheaper... why not change?! in zw3d packages the equivalent of professional sw costs more or less as a year of assistance, and the thing is not to be underestimated.
I would like to know the qualities and defects of both and the choice they would make if they were forced to choose one today.
If someone can give me directions I thank him in advance.

 

[Kattivo83]

hi drake, I on your contrary have always used zw3d (ex vx ad/cam) and recently I am facing the world solidworks. are two very different products. the first difference, very flashing, is in the cost, and here we do not discuss. other thing is that zw is a standalone and complete cad\cam product, sw needs other third-party packages (see p.e. hypermill if you have to fresare); but this depends on what you have to do with software, whether to use cnc or design only. one thing for which, often, I remain amazed by sw is the import motor\export: There's no comparison there. zw doesn't have the same quality. I often find myself exporting with zw (only use to design), importing in sw, repairing, and exporting to pass to customers. Moreover zw does not have the recognition of features when it amounts, but on the other hand this seems to be an innovation for all software, I think it will sooner or later be implemented. to follow the zw gui is much more user-friendly and icons leave no doubt on which command you are going to choose. service and maintenance: Never had any problems whatsoever. but also for zw it is worth the speech of the criminals. development: I noticed (and I appreciate) the fact that at every relase the job there is, is remarkable and you see, both in cad environment and cam. only zw sin is that it is not so famous, now sw alone does resume, zw instead is almost unknown. I can continue for days, but it would be interesting to understand what you need, to better clear your ideas (for what I can of course - and I don't want to seem presumptuous). Also to you, I repeat, if you need to write me in pm, I will be happy to help you.

 

[dog40]

Good morning.
I am at the second demo with zw3d (I have 2 pcs) and I come from toptron and solidworks. with the cam still can not give you feedback because I only "played" a little, but regarding the cad is really great. has also a unique and very useful file management... I rarely understood to padova for work... If you're interested, I could pass by you to give you a brief presentation on the benefits that amaze me (I'm a self-taught so I certainly don't know all the potential) and maybe exchange 2 ideas on cad for the mold industry (in my company we make plastic molds and some die casting molds).
I have a cad toptron station in the company but we're seriously evaluating to overwhelm everything and switch to zw. I just have time to check its reliability on the cam.

 

[Kattivo83]

I actually omitted the multi-object files... which I find very useful too..... not to mention the copy\paste between files - parts - sketch.... anyway, dog, I did not forget..... as soon as I can, let's examine the cam

 

[dog40]

absolutely kactive83... you were very kind and if you think I can come back useful even for some comparison always available.
quoto positive opinion for dharma-engineering... professional and kind.
solidworks a parer mio is a great software for mechanical design. has valid tools for design and verification and control. but on the surfaces where it is not flexible (or maybe I did not use it well) and for a moulder the surfaces are a necessity.
zw3d instead moves far better in this neglecting a little those that can be arguments like analysis of cinematisms or various complementary like simulations of solidworks. for a molder I think zw3d is a nice ace in the sleeve on which to point.
I still use also toptron and I don't think it needs presentations... It is worth so much costing just as... zw instead quality/price can make it as master.
solidworks I don't know prices because I worked for a year in a company I was addicted to.

 

[Kattivo83]

here from me was not dharma the dealer, south Italy is different. I don't write it here because at times it seems like advertising. I agree with what you say, especially for surfaces. I had a way to make a comparison even with toptron.... with a former employee of the trend even.... well.... it ended that he drew the extraction tables and then passed the steps for the cam (on fixed cycles especially the advantage was abnormous)....
I believe it is however to underline the possibility of a customizable post-processor (which with toptron cannot be done to what I know).

 

[dog40]

I should like to say that we are not going to miss the fact that we have just mentioned dharma because first read about this discussion, then it seemed correct and useful to give my opinion. However kactive83 I must absolutely check your opinions on cam... I have a huge curiosity

 

[drake]

good morning guys and thanks x the answers.
I am civil engineer and I make structures, especially metals, but also wood etc.
I always preferred the generic cad x the freedom that gives you without any constraint. also the graphics of the sw boards is difficult to find it in specialized packages. said this, I would also like to evaluate other packages and zw3d, it seems a great product but I do not know it and with a demo x 30 days does nothing, also because it is impossible to use it 30 days in a row.
I might be interested in this:
1) how does zw3d "savings" manage?
2) the graphics of the table is at the level of sw;
3) is stable as software, in the sense of daily crash work and if you frequent?
4) for what I have just mentioned to you, without entering the world "just mechanical" zw is equivalent to sw according to you or not?
thank you kactive x availability and I will certainly write you in pv x ask you info...

 

[cacciatorino]

two notes:

1) the exchange of private messages on technical issues is not consistent with the spirit of the forum, whose greater use is the clarification of problems of any kind, to future use of users who have to encounter similar problems.

2) users of the forum who are also vendors of some software should explicitly declare it, to allow other users to put their interventions under the right light.

 

[Kattivo83]

Good morning, hunter, I'm sorry if I was the cause of your intervention, it's not my habit of creating a chase.

But I wanted to point out that more than once I explicitly stated that I was a user and non-representative and/or software dealer (add: maybe!!!! I am a simple worker!!!! ).

for what concerns the pm, instead, to say the truth, given the poor availability of time, it is my custom to leave my phone number to have a direct contact, and perhaps to escape doubts in real time. That's all. Moreover, what has already happened in the past, a post is immediately published with the "treated arrangements".

That's all.

 

[Kattivo83]

answer to drake: Welding options were introduced with the 2015 version and actually,not making welds,I never used them.
I don't know what to say to you because I don't know the sw table, I can't answer you.
crashes happen, but when you send extremely under stress the machine on which the software turns: for example ask to see a preview, of a variable radius, on patch surfaces, which includes 200 edges...... but I repeat: In my opinion it is not the fault of the software but of the computing ability of the pc. the same command, which sometimes causes crashes, if executed with display in wireframe it is fine. and, in good case, over the years have become increasingly sporadic cases. mark it in this regard the possibility to configure automatic backups of files that of "work sessions" not to lose the job done.

 

[drake]

answer to drake: Welding options were introduced with the 2015 version and actually,not making welds,I never used them.
I don't know what to say to you because I don't know the sw table, I can't answer you.
crashes happen, but when you send extremely under stress the machine on which the software turns: for example ask to see a preview, of a variable radius, on patch surfaces, which includes 200 edges...... but I repeat: In my opinion it is not the fault of the software but of the computing ability of the pc. the same command, which sometimes causes crashes, if executed with display in wireframe it is fine. and, in good case, over the years have become increasingly sporadic cases. mark it in this regard the possibility to configure automatic backups of files that of "work sessions" not to lose the job done.

thanks x the answer.
can you make views in "real" or otherwise shaded and pleasant to the view? what sw you can do and you can choose independently from the views, in the sense that 2 projections you do real and one no for example.
so stability in a way you confirmed it, because I also believe it can always depend on the pc.
Assign with many components how does it handle them? my own have several thousand, although the individual components are not very complex in geometry usually.
I add this x connect to the hunter's intervention; I understand the spirit of the forum and it is right to post any results, but sometimes the direct contact makes you clear the doubts definitely better than the public exchange with messages on the forum, like a phone call instead of a chat... I add that if I am convinced that it is better one or another software, maybe I do not say it directly and explicitly here on the forum, but in private you.

 

[Kattivo83]

Asylums handle them fairly good, although my parents have always had a few dozen components. for the views do what you want without problems. even among the assemblies you can obviously manage to display some components in one way and others not. I confirm the good stability. Moreover (I don't know solidworks what it actually does), zw3d in the environment together reads only the "graphic" part of the component, making in fact a set with, for example, 30 screws, lighter and manageable of the part in which you designed the screw. attention: this does not exclude the possibility of taking reference geometries or quotas. You realize that I have no problem managing (without making names), electromechanical axioms that manage the injection systems of the common cars (and I guarantee that they really contain so many pieces!).

 

[drake]

thanks x le info!
If you could read to us who both use them.. .

 

[dog40]

Good morning hunter,
If the fact was addressed to me in advance that I am not a dealer I have any kind of gain on any software purchases or anything.
My intention is simply to make me more available to use platforms that I find more "performing" and receive information (and therefore benefits) always useful that arise from the exchange of ideas or supports of this kind.
I think it's a little philosophy that governs all the forums in principle.
in case they had passed as intentions other than my interventions made, I apologize in advance but it was not my end.

 

[cacciatorino]

Good morning, hunter, I'm sorry if I was the cause of your intervention, it's not my habit of creating a chase.

But I wanted to point out that more than once I explicitly stated that I was a user and non-representative and/or software dealer (add: maybe!!!! I am a simple worker!!!! ).
.

It's just that reading things like, "I'm sending my phone to you by private message so you call me" or "I'm going to padova if you want I can stop two hours to make a demo" comes from thinking something different.

Bye.

 

[dog40]

I absolutely apologize,
but I manage a company of making moulds, travel for work and I design for passion. I have known new software and improved the use of the same (so professionally grown), more and more comparing me with other colleagues and seeing other ways or tools of work, than to carry out courses or reading manuals.
I am brought to all this for this basic reason and my gain (I think I can say our being this a forum) intrinsic lies precisely in all this: receive giving.

 

[Kattivo83]

here live the image of what can cause a crash. to corroborate thesis that it is a PC problem, there is to say that it does not work in cases like these to make the screenshot with the mold key. this is obviously caused by the few resources left available to the video driver.
p.s.: I break a spear in favor of solidworks - it has the function for the complete connection between three faces (useful as in the case of the image to round in a tangent way. in zw3d you have to do the.... all variable radius!!!). but it must be specified that in design that is called "case to the limit of the normality of the designer". If you make design, then it changes.

 

[Kattivo83]

the same operation in wireframe mode: no crashes. finished the fittings you can safely use the view in shading, the error occurs only during the calculation of the dynamic preview of the connection.

(I mean, I was talking about such mistakes today, and I'm coming to the door tonight....... tomorrow we're talking about superenalotto???? :wink::wink::wink