バージョンへのアップグレード 19.0マイル

[Stemox]

probabilmente la ptc aveva pensato di prendere cocreate per acquisire la clientela, e poi dirottarli su creo interrompendo lo sviluppo di modeling. forse e' in corso questa transizione, da cui la lentezza degli upgrade.

riprendendo il discorso iniziato in altra discussione, e visualizzando il programma per il lancio delle nuove versioni, si evince la poca importanza destinata a modeling e quanto tutti gli sforzi siano rivolti vs. creo 3.0
http://www.ptccreoevents.com/?lang=it-it

riguardo a modeling, ancora non trovo doc. su cosa ci sia di nuovo nella versione 19 ....forse solo un cambio di nome?!?!?!

 

[Stemox]

come si supponeva credo che in futuro (molto prossimo) modeling sia destinato a sparire. lo si evince dalle anticipazioni sulla nuova versione ...dire scarsine e dire poco. mentre viene molto enfatizzato creo 3.0!!!

credo che dovrò/dovremo indirizzarci altrove ...sono più di 15 anni che ci lavoro ....

 

[cacciatorino]

come si supponeva credo che in futuro (molto prossimo) modeling sia destinato a sparire. lo si evince dalle anticipazioni sulla nuova versione ...dire scarsine e dire poco. mentre viene molto enfatizzato creo 3.0!!!

credo che dovrò/dovremo indirizzarci altrove ...sono più di 15 anni che ci lavoro ....

mica devi aggiornare per forza..... ;-)

 

[Stemox]

certo, che non devo per forza ...il problema è che gli altri software avanzano, migliorano e si velocizzano ....modeling resta al palo!
oggi giorno, le tempistiche di progettazione contano tanto.
sto guardando in giro ...nella prototipazione non ci sono (a mio avviso) software così potenti.

 

[and]

bhe dai se sei un buon utente di modeling basta un po di pratica con l'interfaccia per passare a creo direct...
o forse i problemi sono altri ?

 

[Andy Poulsen]

hello! i'm new here. i apologize for posting in english, but it's all i can do (my experience with the online translators hasn't been great! )

i saw this discussion, and wanted to post what i know. we develop applications for cocreate (now creo elements/direct), and are member of ptc's partneradvantage program. because of that, i have been able to talk with some of the senior people at ptc about the future of the cocreate product line. they have shown the development roadmap for cocreate going well past 2017, with no planned end date.

also, the following message was posted by paul hamilton at ptc about the future of cocreate on the linkedin creo elements/direct group about 6 months ago:

there is no end of life planned for the creo elements direct products (cocreate products). ptc continues to support these products, and they do offer training for these products, (all training classes are currently being updated to version 19). there are also other ptc partners and consulting companies that deliver consulting and training services for these products.

version 19 of creo elements direct will be released somewhere around the end of may. it is full of enhancements driven by long-time customers as well as some of the new customers that have recently purchased and deployed the products. and yes, new companies are purchasing these products.

ptc is developing a new direct modeling product: creo direct; that it plans to make equivalent and even better than creo elements direct modeling. we all know this will take some time as ptc is trying to hit a moving target. creo direct 3.0 will be released in june. it is not equivalent, but it takes a giant step forward – primarily in the area of 3d geometry solver technology, along with many strong enhancements. this doesn't necessarily mean that the creo elements direct products will eventually be phased out. as an example consider how ptc still continues to support cadds 5. again, there is no end of life plans for these products.

if you are interested in parametric cad (like solidworks) over direct modeling, then consider creo parametric. it can read in native creo elements direct data, including (in creo 3.0) the .mi files. it also has available flex modeling (direct geometry editing) so it can fully manipulate the models coming from modeling. something that solidworks would not do very well.

hope that helps a little.

so i think there is still a strong future in the creo elements/direct (cocreate) product -- i know many companies that are planning to continue to use it for as long as possible, even if ptc completely stops development of it. this is a solid strategy, as even users of old versions of the tools can get new functionality with add-in tools.

i hope this helps!

andy

andy poulsen,
ai maxtools, inc. | www.ai-maxtools.com

 

[Er Presidente]

many thanks andy!

 

[cacciatorino]

hello! i'm new here. i apologize for posting in english, but it's all i can do (my experience with the online translators hasn't been great! )

hi andy,
do you mean creo/direct or creo/direct modeling?

they are diferent softwares: creo/direct is just the old pro/e with the add oh "handles" to pull or push entities; creo/direct modeling is the former solid designer.

i'm not so confident about the future of creo/direct modeling: my infos is that ptc will force users to migrate to creo/direct and to windchill as pdm solution.

actually, the post that you reported states that creo/direct modeling is still on the way, but the future will be creo/direct.

 

[Andy Poulsen]

hi andy,
do you mean creo/direct or creo/direct modeling?

they are diferent softwares: creo/direct is just the old pro/e with the add oh "handles" to pull or push entities; creo/direct modeling is the former solid designer.

i'm not so confident about the future of creo/direct modeling: my infos is that ptc will force users to migrate to creo/direct and to windchill as pdm solution.

actually, the post that you reported states that creo/direct modeling is still on the way, but the future will be creo/direct.

a very good question! actually, there's even a third product to add more confusion! the direct modeling products are:

1. creo elements/direct (formerly cocreate/soliddesigner)
2. creo direct (the proe/creo parametric counterpart)
3. creo parametric with the flexible modeling extension (fmx), which is really the creo direct engine running inside creo parametric, allowing modification of the parametric parts, but not used for part creation, i believe.

the naming is really a terrible choice on ptc's part -- even the ptc people get confused! so, for purposes of this conversation, i'll just call them creo direct and cocreate!

paul's message does talk about both, and creo direct is getting better and is where ptc is putting most of their direct modeling efforts. however, i have heard from reliable sources that it's likely to be 5 to 10 years or more (if ever -- their words, not mine) before creo direct has the functionality of cocreate.

your statement about ptc forcing users to creo direct is interesting. i believe when ptc bought cocreate in late 2007 that they intended to force all of the cocreate users over to proe, not realizing the loyalty of the cocreate user base. once they realized the customers didn't want to move, they decided to actually look at cocreate to see why the users were so loyal, and discovered that cocreate really is a fantastic tool (though much of the management still doesn't understand much about direct modeling in general).

i think ptc has realized that forcing users away from cocreate is not a good choice -- i know of several that have decided to leave cocreate and move to a different tool -- but not one made by ptc! (and some of those companies have tried to move to other tools and realized that cocreate is still the best tool for the work they do, and decided not to move after all, choosing instead to keep using their older versions of cocreate).

as i mentioned before, my company builds add-on products for cocreate (and currently that's the only software we develop for).
because of this reason, i'm very interested in the future of the cocreate product, and in knowing what the current customers are thinking. some of my customers are very happy with v17 but don't like the ribbon interface in v18 and later, so they're staying with 17 and have no plans to change. because our tools work on multiple versions (currently 15-19), those customers get new functionality even with their old tools, so they don't feel they need to change. if they want new functionality, they let us know and we decide what makes sense to include, and they often get it, even for their old tools.

this is not meant as a sales pitch! the above paragraph is just an example of how existing cocreate customers can get great value from their current tools without needing to worry as much about the future because companies exist that can help provide the necessary or desired functionality.

sorry for the long message! i hope that's not a problem! thanks to anyone who read this far!

please let me know if you have any questions.

thanks!

andy

andy poulsen
ai maxtools, inc. | www.ai-maxtools.com

 

[Stemox]

ciao,
vedo con piacere che andy conferma quanto mi è stato detto da una persona in cdm ...quindi c'è da sperare in bene! :finger: