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[Parametric_Ozzy]

but you can't compare a plm to a social network managed by others.. .
It's a comparison that's not standing.
ask linkedin or facebook to implement your own process.. See what they say and let us know. :smile:

greetings

 

[The_Matrix]

> here you make a mistake, iho... ...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
> a pdm is not a cad... that install, ready, via use. is intrinsically more complex.It is certainly true that the complexity of a pdm system in procedural terms is not equivalent to that of a cad or any functional application.
However, it is not true that the release change must necessarily be a drama.
anyone using facebook or linkedin or other social networks will have noticed that:
- the releases have changed several times in recent years
- but the passage was almost painless.
- you can always adapt quickly without having to do training on facebook or linkedin or other

Why is that?
because they are simple
because they are instinctive
because they are not unnecessarily arzygogular
because they are technologies Modernthen
Why should not the same happen with the pdm?? ?

already today there are those who invested in this direction. . .

but I don't think gtemp was "fit in the spirit" by the release changes, rather, (unless I misunderstood) it seems to me to understand gtemp was annoyed by a fragmented everyday life made of crash, time waiting for procedures to follow unnecessarily masochistic ... of poor design productivity ...

you are 100% right: 10 years ago, you were putting on iman with a minimum of 200 days of counseling and wanted a scientist.
now put on a minimal tc for a pmi in a 15ine of days, if you are aware of the embedded ootb methodologies even less.

Allow me, but comparing a facebook style application with a pdm seems quite misleading, if it were nothing else because facebook uses it to fuck and tc to work.

Listen,
But if you want to know where your photos are in facebook, how do you do it?
But if before you put your photos on fb you want to make some other event happen, how do you do?
but if you had to have a problem with your fb account (it happened to me) what you do?
... look... I have never done 1 minute of course tc... the user part I learned it myself, like fb or linkedin.. .
all computer tools are simple, in 2011... user side, architecture side, are you sure they are?
and are you sure that web 2.0 tools can be adapted so easily to your needs?

 

[The_Matrix]

but you can't compare a plm to a social network managed by others.. .
It's a comparison that's not standing.
ask linkedin or facebook to implement your own process.. See what they say and let us know. :smile:

greetings

Oh my god.
We wrote the same thing! :finger:

 

[RuleDesigner]

I repeat:
I don't think gtemp was "fit in the spirit" by the release changes, rather, (sit me if I misunderstood) it seems to me to understand gtemp was annoyed by a fragmented everyday life made of crash, of times waiting for procedures to follow unnecessarily masochistic ... of poor design productivity ...

However I have referred to social networks because clearly the future of plm and collaborative applications will necessarily go in that direction.

I speak so because all this is natural to me as a ruledesigner today is already ready..

 

[The_Matrix]

I repeat:
I don't think gtemp was "fit in the spirit" by the release changes, rather, (sit me if I misunderstood) it seems to me to understand gtemp was annoyed by a fragmented everyday life made of crash, of times waiting for procedures to follow unnecessarily masochistic ... of poor design productivity ...

However I have referred to social networks because clearly the future of plm and collaborative applications will necessarily go in that direction.

I speak so because all this is natural to me as a ruledesigner today is already ready..

The rules in a pdm don't give you the pdm... you give them...
If you set brain rules, you'll have to fight with those.
Perhaps it was better, on the occasion of the implementation of a pdm, to review the processes.
Anyway, I don't want to make a querelle teamcenter vs ruledesigner.

I have the impression that gtemp had very bad expectations for a data management tool.
Maybe I'm wrong, huh?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Oh my god.
We wrote the same thing! :finger:

Yes, you are, but you do more and more my cum! ahaha
Of course I'm joking. :finger:

 

[The_Matrix]

Yes, you are, but you do more and more my cum! ahaha
Of course I'm joking. :finger:

I'm getting cum? ? ?
But when? ?
"women... It's here. "

 

[gtemp]

1-maybe I wasn't clear.
when we installed the release 3.something, i.e. the first release installed in the company, were planned 2/3 days of training as system administrator, when then we installed the release 4 that said they were more stable than the 3, as the business modeler (siemens words) is different the result was that I no longer had the system administrator rights unless it does a new course on the new model.
in practice the days spent for the course of administrator of the 3 I threw them in the toilet.
2 - I wonder, then are retailers incompetent?
3 - I repeat that during the planning of the project the days of training side user and administrator had been preventive, so I knew I would spend money for these.
4 - you are very wrong, I did not want to do economy, the lords of siemens have predicted x gg of implementation and training because to them it was enough to go into production.

answers in your text. Hi.

 

[The_Matrix]

1-maybe I wasn't clear.
when we installed the release 3.something, i.e. the first release installed in the company, were planned 2/3 days of training as system administrator, when then we installed the release 4 that said they were more stable than the 3, as the business modeler (siemens words) is different the result was that I no longer had the system administrator rights unless it does a new course on the new model.
in practice the days spent for the course of administrator of the 3 I threw them in the toilet.
2 - I wonder, then are retailers incompetent?
3 - I repeat that during the planning of the project the days of training side user and administrator had been preventive, so I knew I would spend money for these.
4 - you are very wrong, I did not want to do economy, the lords of siemens have predicted x gg of implementation and training because to them it was enough to go into production.

1. bmide is a powerful tool. with 1 training day you are able to configure, through the bmide itself, all tc. if you do not know how to use you have 2 possibilities: a) do not administer tc (what you did) b) do a corset to learn it
... I don't understand your stubbornness not to do a minimum of training on this admin tool...

2. It is not up to me to discuss the expertise of retailers. the market is large and free. you can find tc skills from retailers if they cost less. You obviously have to handle the dealer... Don't think he's doing it for you, don't you think?

3. Right. I don't understand your stubbornness that you don't want to learn bmide

4. And it wasn't enough? if you implement a pdm you have to put a minimum of on-site training/assistance spending per year at a quote.
these days I am following the upgrade of a torino customer from tc2005sr1 mp2 to mp9 (to be able to install a compatible version with nx6) and nx6.
investment between:
- mp9 installation on server
- mp9 installation on 1 client
- mp9 installation on the 2 cache servers of detached locations
- installation and centralization nx6.x
- porting customizations and workflows
- porting and installation of a hpgl server
- training of nx4/nx6
... 7 days.. .

With less, you just can't. it is necessary to put it to quote.

Bye.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I repeat:
I don't think gtemp was "fit in the spirit" by the release changes, rather, (sit me if I misunderstood) it seems to me to understand gtemp was annoyed by a fragmented everyday life made of crash, of times waiting for procedures to follow unnecessarily masochistic ... of poor design productivity ...

However I have referred to social networks because clearly the future of plm and collaborative applications will necessarily go in that direction.

I speak so because all this is natural to me as a ruledesigner today is already ready..

so it can fit me well, even if only a small part will go in that direction, if we talk about real-time notifications there is everything, there are other plms that are already ready today as decanti you, the processes the baseline, the management of the shootparts, the life cycles , the views e-bom and m-bom, etc, etc, I don't think so.
Everything about the communicative part can be approached in that way, while the rest aims, must have well-written rules otherwise the plm would not even make sense to exist.

ps:for my curiosity and information on the site is written that ruledesigner supports many cads, among which pro/e.
I would like to know which versions of pro/e supports and if you have any certification from ptc in that sense.

thanks and greetings

 

[re_solidworks]

so it can fit me well, even if only a small part will go in that direction, if we talk about real-time notifications there is everything, there are other plms that are already ready today as decanti you, the processes the baseline, the management of the shootparts, the life cycles , the views e-bom and m-bom, etc, etc, I don't think so.
Everything about the communicative part can be approached in that way, while the rest aims, must have well-written rules otherwise the plm would not even make sense to exist.

ps:for my curiosity and information on the site is written that ruledesigner supports many cads, among which pro/e.
I would like to know which versions of pro/e supports and if you have any certification from ptc in that sense.

thanks and greetings

and made to give a demo 30 days so the texts....

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

and made to give a demo 30 days so the texts....

In the sense that I take it to the test? :biggrin:

I have a discussion in the solidworks forum where you had asked some smart questions about. integration with the cad, (the famous external references... )

 

[RuleDesigner]

so I can be well, ....
Everything about the communicative part can be approached in that way, while the rest aims, must have well-written rules otherwise the plm would not even make sense to exist.

ps:for my curiosity and information on the site is written that ruledesigner supports many cads, among which pro/e.
I would like to know which versions of pro/e supports and if you have any certification from ptc in that sense.

thanks and greetings

I answer three questions from last to first:
We have no ptc certification, I don't think we've even been looking for it, I think we would have helped because we're competing on the plm part.
ruledesigner works well from wf4 i.e. since they introduced proper bees to be called by .net

> while the rest aims, it must have well-written rules otherwise plms would not even make sense to exist.

This is the point: how to write the rules, how to define the processes.
in traditional "management" systems (as the traditional pdms are) the "custom" is made by writing code (what is usually called customization).

but writing code means spending a lot of time to do it and much more to keep it in time.

and here is the strength of ruledesigner (etimologia rule=region designer=designer/descriptor) i.e. get the "custom" without writing a custom code line but simply configuring the application through the framework.

Moreover we have not invented anything new we have only applied 10 years ago the triz method.

thinks that in the mid-1980s a company created its success by applying the concepts of "hyperparametry" to the graphic environment, thus laying the basis of the generation of modern systems.
not by chance this company was called parametric technology (today ptc).

well we have done the same thing by applying the concepts of "hyperparametry" all' environment analyzing (the colombo egg fatidic)
in this way is born ruledesigner that in virtue of "hyperparametry", from being a "configurator of processes" is in the time naturally derived to be a pdm, crm, a document manager, a cms, a manager of activities/projects, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I answer three questions from last to first:
We have no ptc certification, I don't think we've even been looking for it, I think we would have helped because we're competing on the plm part.
ruledesigner works well from wf4 i.e. since they introduced proper bees to be called by .net

if it is for this you are competing also with siemens or dassault regarding the plm part.:smile:

This is the point: how to write the rules, how to define the processes.
in traditional "management" systems (as the traditional pdms are) the "custom" is made by writing code (what is usually called customization).

but writing code means spending a lot of time to do it and much more to keep it in time.

and here is the strength of ruledesigner (etimologia rule=region designer=designer/descriptor) i.e. get the "custom" without writing a custom code line but simply configuring the application through the framework.

I know what custom means.
the rules as you call them, are dictated by the regulations and from here you do not "scappa" or better you should not run away.
for example iso 11442 - technical product documentation - document management or iso 15226 - life cycle models and document assignment.
dependent on the company and the field in which it operates, it will have other regulations to which it must subject, forcefully if it wants to sell its products, marking various certifications, we only think of the medical with the fda or the pharmaceutical with the gmp.
for this there are already templates (medical,pharmaceutical,aerospace,automotive,military,etc) prepared for this purpose, so solutions already customised without necessarily writing code, the process is always that, then there are special cases, where you can go to touch the code, through other tools like you mentioned (workframe).

Moreover we have not invented anything new we have only applied 10 years ago the triz method.

thinks that in the mid-1980s a company created its success by applying the concepts of "hyperparametry" to the graphic environment, thus laying the basis of the generation of modern systems.
not by chance this company was called parametric technology (today ptc)

.
Come on. I didn't know...

well we have done the same thing by applying the concepts of "hyperparametry" all' environment analyzing (the colombo egg fatidic)
in this way is born ruledesigner that in virtue of "hyperparametry", from being a "configurator of processes" is in the time naturally derived to be a pdm, crm, a document manager, a cms, a manager of activities/projects, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

well you have done a good job, but it is nothing new and does not differ from other products present on the market for years, multicad and multidocument.
Perhaps the only thing is crm (customer relation management) even if imho should be in the erp part and not in the plm part, along with the analogue suppliers,finances,ru,approvigionamento,ecc, ie everything that concerns direct or indirect costs.
and the cms (content management system) instead leaves me puzzled.

greetings

 

[RuleDesigner]

if it is for this you are competing also with siemens or dassault regarding the plm part.:smile:



I know what custom means.
the rules as you call them, are dictated by the regulations and from here you do not "scappa" or better you should not run away.
for example iso 11442 - technical product documentation - document management or iso 15226 - life cycle models and document assignment.
dependent on the company and the field in which it operates, it will have other regulations to which it must subject, forcefully if it wants to sell its products, marking various certifications, we only think of the medical with the fda or the pharmaceutical with the gmp.
for this there are already templates (medical,pharmaceutical,aerospace,automotive,military,etc) prepared for this purpose, so solutions already customised without necessarily writing code, the process is always that, then there are special cases, where you can go to touch the code, through other tools like you mentioned (workframe).

greetings

you live in Switzerland, it is obviously another world
in Italy 90% of the customization processes that I see daily are subjected to us, are not based on default templates or if they do so they ask for an adaptation to the needs of the individual company.

because in Italy we are used well and we do not settle ....
or because, as indro montanelli said, we are a pack of undisciplined sheep!

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

you live in Switzerland, it is obviously another world
in Italy 90% of the customization processes that I see daily are subjected to us, are not based on default templates or if they do so they ask for an adaptation to the needs of the individual company.

because in Italy we are used well and we do not settle ....
or because, as indro montanelli said, we are a pack of undisciplined sheep!

I live in Swiss but 70 % of customers are Italian...
I speak of implementations made in Italy not in Swiss!
The adaptation always asks you, because everyone has its paturnies, in Italy you are used well and not satisfied is true, but in Swiss it is even worse, the swiss made brand does not tell you anything?

 

[The_Matrix]

and here is the strength of ruledesigner (etimologia rule=region designer=designer/descriptor) ie get the "custom" without writing a line of code customization but simply configuring the application through the framework.

Please ruledesigner... Please...
Get down to the earth.
the discussion started from the fact that one of the gtemp complaints is that teamcenter is ostic because he does not know how to use the configuration framewirk (which is called bmide).
and why can't he use it?
because he never did a training to learn how to use it and deploy the rules inserted there.
I believe that not even rd's "framework" uses it without training (maybe wrong and it's as easy as facebook options and everyone goes in and configure it without even opening a manual. . )

I believe (ozzy correct me) that windchill also "configures" it through interfaces and not writing code, unless there are particular problems to solve.

it is not that we are at the time of sherp or metaphase where each rule were tons of rows in c.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I believe (ozzy correct me) that windchill also "configures" it through interfaces and not writing code, unless there are particular problems to solve.

it is not that we are at the time of sherp or metaphase where each rule were tons of rows in c.

you can also configure it via interfaces.
consider that windchill is soa (service oriented architecture) , has a modern j2ee architecture at three levels with open and published bees.

 

[gtemp]

gtemp does not know how to use bmide because when he was proposed to switch to release 4, he was not told that the db management system changed, and therefore he did not budget a day two days of training on bmide.
gtemp spends money when needed to grow his company.

what you may not be clear is that if I buy a program today and there is a db configuration system, and I spend money to learn how to use it, you then change db configuration system and then my previous training reset it, you training me do it for free, because I didn't tell you to change the db manager.

I add, you can't sell a software by saying that it's a pdm/plm dickpdm or call it as you want it to be easy to configure, already with default wf (among other things don't work well) ready to use for pmi and then instead it's a kick to the assholes because this you have to customize this other one we have to develop.

Please ruledesigner... Please...
Get down to the earth.
the discussion started from the fact that one of the gtemp complaints is that teamcenter is ostic because he does not know how to use the configuration framewirk (which is called bmide).
and why can't he use it?
because he never did a training to learn how to use it and deploy the rules inserted there.
I believe that not even rd's "framework" uses it without training (maybe wrong and it's as easy as facebook options and everyone goes in and configure it without even opening a manual. . )

I believe (ozzy correct me) that windchill also "configures" it through interfaces and not writing code, unless there are particular problems to solve.

it is not that we are at the time of sherp or metaphase where each rule were tons of rows in c.

 

[The_Matrix]

what you may not be clear is that if I buy a program today and there is a db configuration system, and I spend money to learn how to use it, you then change db configuration system and then my previous training reset it, you training me do it for free, because I didn't tell you to change the db manager.

What are you saying? ?
If it were as you say, the software houses would not do anything to the software. . .
otherwise they should provide free courses forever at the cry "and who told you to introduce/change that functionality"

Look. discussion is over.
The money is yours and you just do what you want: If you're okay with that, you do that.