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[The_Matrix]

in fact, correct the kiss and send me the correction thus repairing the kissed version that was sold for good. then when you have put the trunks in place and the version is stable release the new (and you start again with the basins) and give the user the stable version the ability to work until you want it with a product that works. the euro of the transfers that are made you work very well, do not forget it.
try to think if faced with kissed software they paid you the salary with a part of euros in turn kissed.. .

But I understand that now this logic of releasing products that work, but also not, has become established practice for the precise planning in this sense of software houses that write licensing agreements putting black on white that software can work. . but also not.

Sooner or later, I'm sure, there will be some judge who will put you in line or, alternatively, with his butt on the ground. :smile:

see Mark.. .
from "outside" is simple to comment. (aka "it's easy to fag with others' ass" :biggrin
when you adopt a software version, we already work on the next one or even two.
there are corrections that can be made in the current version and others that is not possible because the impact would be too big.
a bit like when complaining that 156 had a too high steering radius: to correct this "defect" (due to the geometry of multilink suspensions adopt) did 159, not a 156.2...
this applies to us and to all.
software, volents or nolents, have become "elephantiaci" and above all, are composed of many "pieces", not all produced by the software house.
so not everything is under our control.
do you know that nx has at least 200 "parts" provided by third-party companies?

However, this is the world of software. We wait for the famous judge.:finger:

 

[The_Matrix]

attention, that they are not dumb to send you and install the upgrade to free, the dvd of the new release comes to you, if you are in maintenance, but then for the installation comes also the estimate of spending for the working days of the technician, a beautiful ripped of euros..., and so the homo campa... .

maintenance normally all customers have it.
However, you can treat it: I think if you are in the condition of having a recognized kiss, corrected in the next major, no one in siemens will deny you access to the version.

for the installation of the new version: If you don't want to pay, just install it.
If you're not capable... You could have followed the installation when you were... or do an installation and administration course, so you would have been independent.

Vabbeehhh... words to the wind. :tongue:
so by curiosity, what plm did you choose to replace tcx?

 

[gtemp]

maintenance normally all customers have it.
However, you can treat it: I think if you are in the condition of having a recognized kiss, corrected in the next major, no one in siemens will deny you access to the version.

for the installation of the new version: If you don't want to pay, just install it.
If you're not capable... You could have followed the installation when you were... or do an installation and administration course, so you would have been independent.

Vabbeehhh... words to the wind. :tongue:
so by curiosity, what plm did you choose to replace tcx?

point 1 - for 2 years I say to zimenz that I have this kiss although to them say with the patch they have solved it, but it is not true.
point 2 - to install it I would be able, but the controls on the db who does it to me??? Christmas baby? I don't know the language of the software so here's the "braking" that your technicians have to come.
point 3 - I repeat perhaps it has escaped, I paid to learn how to make the administrator of vers 3, but your developers from 3 to 5 have changed the bmide, and why should I pay again for an administrator course??? I didn't ask you to change it! !

I have not yet chosen, I am carefully evaluating the costs and what they offer, the trick I took once I do not want and I can not afford to throw other kili to the wind.
If then zimenz decided to come here and make it working, but actually working, tcx, of course at zimenz expense, then I could also interrupt my research.. .

 

[The_Matrix]

point 1 - for 2 years I say to zimenz that I have this kiss although to them say with the patch they have solved it, but it is not true.
point 2 - to install it I would be able, but the controls on the db who does it to me??? Christmas baby? I don't know the language of the software so here's the "braking" that your technicians have to come.
point 3 - I repeat perhaps it has escaped, I paid to learn how to make the administrator of vers 3, but your developers from 3 to 5 have changed the bmide, and why should I pay again for an administrator course??? I didn't ask you to change it! !

I have not yet chosen, I am carefully evaluating the costs and what they offer, the trick I took once I do not want and I can not afford to throw other kili to the wind.
If then zimenz decided to come here and make it working, but actually working, tcx, of course at zimenz expense, then I could also interrupt my research.. .

for 2 years I say to zimenz that I have this kiss although to them say with the patch they have solved it, but it is not trueOcca.z.zo that bad situation... wall vs wall knows me. to hear you it seems so obvious that it seems difficult not to replicate it.
to install it I would be able, but the controls on the db who does it to me?? Christmas baby? I don't know the language of the software so here's the "braking" that your technicians have to come.Is this new... db controls?? I don't understand.
However there are a lot of customers that installations if they do.
I repeat perhaps it has escaped, I have paid to learn how to make the administrator of vers 3, but your developers from 3 to 5 have changed the bmide, and why should I pay again for an administrator course??? I didn't ask you to change it! !I understand you're inc.azz.ato, but do you realize what you say?
bmide is a tool that makes life easier for you. customers asked us a lot.
Come on, be serious. it is not that we must keep the products to 2005 because Mr storm (with all respect) does not want to learn to use bmide.
If you don't want to do a course, do as we do, take the documentation and study it.

Good research.

 

[gtemp]

1 problem exists and was indicated as pr by developers
2 When the technician came to pass from 3 to 5 he had to test on the db, I meant that.
3 I can't imagine the customers who called you and said "we want the bmide, give us the bmide"! fabulous
4 who has ever said to keep the development steady, I just said that if you do better, I don't have to stand there paying the new administrator course because you did better, I will improve you with my assistance contract.
5 documentation?? Where is she? You mean the F1?

 

[The_Matrix]

1 problem exists and was indicated as pr by developers
2 When the technician came to pass from 3 to 5 he had to test on the db, I meant that.
3 I can't imagine the customers who called you and said "we want the bmide, give us the bmide"! fabulous
4 who has ever said to keep the development steady, I just said that if you do better, I don't have to stand there paying the new administrator course because you did better, I will improve you with my assistance contract.
5 documentation?? Where is she? You mean the F1?

1 - Of course it exists. I meant you say it wasn't resolved and we say the opposite.
2 - I don't think it's practice, at least in the last versions I remember. obvious cmq that each version of tc is compatible with a certain operating system and a certain version of ms-sql/oracle.
3 - do not cry... open er or require it (democratically, voting) during the world user conference.
4 - in fact with the maintenance contract the improvements we give you. If you mean we also have to teach you why you don't want to learn them, then, yes, I confirm you're out of the way.
5 - laugh as well... :biggrin: we study product documentation. You can see that we are extraordinarily intelligent. :mixed: