luigi.paiano
Guest
:d We do not disappear on the red cross, better if I count myself:d
Desmobiker
Guest
thanks for the link, really very useful!
boys, I would absolutely not offend someone with the expression "standard engineers b"! It was only my way to distinguish who, for example, works in racing teams and who, instead, does not remove anything from them. and then anyway it must be admitted that objectively those who succeed in graduating in a short time and with very high grades surely is more prepared than others and for this is selected.
PierArg
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so the engineers who do not work in the racing teams but who unfortunately work at the nasa, esa, cern, etc. are great losers?
p.s: if you are interested I have graduated in 5 years, without ever being rejected only one exam, with 110 and praise and note of merit (I presented myself to the session that I already started with 109,38 of average).
I had a job proposal in ferrari but I refused (see previous posts).
honestly I don't even feel "more prepared than others", on the contrary... I always say that I had a "gran cubo" that always went well.
marcof
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My schoolmate worked 10 years at the racing department, as a designer.
He told me about the things that would make even the most discarded of the Ferrara fans.
You're out of your ass.
Er Presidente
Guest
Ass, it's your ass that's going to be part of the corporate heritage, your intellect will serve to make your ass keep its value.
Fulvio Romano
Guest
Yes, you've been kicking your ass in ferrari... it's in that other company there, yes, that there, where they also do red things, but not painted, red because of the temperature... Here... there... according to me you could make an extra effort...
:finger:
MBT
Guest
I know part. .
Desmobiker
Guest
But then you see that you don't understand? I have already told you and I repeat that I do not want to do any sort of discrmination among those who work in the racing teams to those who work in the nasa, to the cern or to the other research centers...instead probably they are even smarter than others, but personally I prefer to work in motor companies. I also don't think that if you've graduated with 110 and praise it's just luck, but because you've been so busy and that's why you have my esteem.
I unfortunately do not know the world of racing and motor companies in general, and for this reason I would like someone to tell me their experience in these companies... from what you have written so far, it seems that you have a deep hatred of these companies, as if working for them is a loser. It's like they exploit you and pay you little... but is this the raw truth?
I would like to deepen this subject as much as possible, thank you.
luigi.paiano
Guest
I personally know an electronic engineer who worked for the ferrari (he took care of the steering wheel). He was so shocked that he fired and got hired at the telecom.
Giacomo Lepore
Guest
We do not forget that we are talking about rather large companies. . .
I work for a rather big company, and very often I feel bad about it. They say that it is a company that exploits, that pays little, that treats badly, that has a questionable ethics. often even with some suppliers I had some difficulties like: "I don't work with xxx, I know people who haven't been paid."
Is that true? and false?
a multinational group composed of more than twenty companies, each with a dozen offices around the world, with a turnover of several billion euros annual can be condensed in a phrase of the type "xxx does not pay", "xxx has unethical commercial behaviors", etc.?
I'd say no.
I know some parts of the company behave like sharks. others like piraña. Others still treat their employees and suppliers extremely meritocraticly. the far-sightedness of the group leads to the growth of a huge number of graduates that through a slow process are transformed into employees. Although, given the number, everyone is often closer to a number of badges than to an individual.
to this is added the historical heritage of Italy to consider large companies as dangerous animals to break down (cit. churchill), and the picture is complete.
we do not talk about companies of twenty employees with the "mask" that decides. They are complex, of course aggressive, but it is difficult that narrow experiences, often only with the staff office, can summarize the why of the company.
luigi.paiano
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Of course,the speech is absolutely shared.
what I want to make desmobiker understand is that:
1)It is not true that, entering automobile companies and the like,there are treated by god on earth;
2)When you leave the university you know nothing about anything;
3) the classification of standard engineers a or b should not be done in that wrong way and the result of a conception dictated by ignorance: series a=motorists and similar; series b: all others;
4) Engineers, especially at the beginning,not if they pass it well and all that you gain after is the result of capacity and sacrifices
what I want to make desmobiker understand is that:
1)It is not true that, entering automobile companies and the like,there are treated by god on earth;
2)When you leave the university you know nothing about anything;
3) the classification of standard engineers a or b should not be done in that wrong way and the result of a conception dictated by ignorance: series a=motorists and similar; series b: all others;
4) Engineers, especially at the beginning,not if they pass it well and all that you gain after is the result of capacity and sacrifices
PierArg
Guest
I'll tell you... I have two of my friends working in ferrari. One has already fired... the other exploits it to the marrow.
at least the intellect serves something:biggrin:
Dear fulvio, as I wrote you in private (and if I'm not mistaken there was also mbt as recipient) I then accepted and signed the contract.
a few weeks later I had some pretty important problems (and I don't mean the problems with my girlfriend) that led me to have a second thoughts.
I then contacted the staff manager and explained everything to him.
p.s. thinks that the company had also provided a visa.
Not bad that the plane ticket hadn't done it yet:
At least you remember the mail, don't you?
However, as they say in general, not all the evils come to harm: for a lost occasion I had another equally stimulating one.
I feel very satisfied too....and as you know, life has changed radically.
apart from the fact that I think I'm a underdeveloped and mental deviated. ..just see all the cows I wrote in two years and go to the forum.
Trust me you have to get lucky. For example, just for 20 days you can't follow the courses and you're stuck a year...especially with the reform of the prophecies of the exams.
regarding automotive companies I can assure you that there are realities where engineers are pampered (red bulls and porsche on all).
in Italy instead things are as you had the opportunity to read.
the only positive note is that working for these companies would represent a great business card that can be spent in the future with other companies.
Fulvio Romano
Guest
I remember, I remember. .
My thing was just a joke, what you did did did it in a reasoned way, and the fact that you did well is closely related to the dose of reasoning. Of course a little healthy cube takes us, but this does not mean to be in debt with destiny. . .
Desmobiker
Guest
Now I understand, thank you for clarifying the situation in Italy, even if you leave me speechless. . .
iosonoioyeah
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Hello everyone... I'm interested in enrolling in engineering at bs... in September I did not pass for health professions but I realize that I am more interested in.. now I am thinking in engineering.. the problem is that in high school I was not one who ate the books of physics and mathematics and I always felt a bit "stupid" in these disciplines (maybe because I didn't stress even being attentive to lesson)... anyway, I am feeling and known with pleasure and amazement that physics and mathematics could interest me... do you say that to do engineering you have to be super genes with 10 in math and physics in high school?? my boyfriend makes mechanics and other friends do it and are very back while studying.. .
iosonoioyeah
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Hello, everyone. I'm 19 years old and in September I have to do a university... from a year I always thought I would do medicine or nursing because I was passionate. . It is in fact that I have recently realized that perhaps it is not the things in the field of medicine (especially bio and anatomy) that until recently I loved to care.. . I wanted to know from you if it is possible to succeed in your opinion and experience succeeding in engineering despite the physical and mathematical superiors never studied them because I found them useless.. I've changed my mind. Indi I'm thinking of enrolling in engineering even if I don't know which and I wanted to know if it's feasible or if it's better to let it go and don't end up doing something... my fear is to sign up and not make it, but I'm a very pragmatic person I'm not allowed to take from negative emotions etc. thanks to those who will answer me
iosonoioyeah
Guest
Do you have to be super smart genes and understand everything immediately to do it? ?
italo
Guest
as a mechanical engineer, I tell you to do medicine, even the dentist.
anything where after you open your own study in medicine. you're independent.
anything where after you open your own study in medicine. you're independent.
SHIREN
Guest
Hi.
I'm having a hard time understanding the question
I could see if you were wondering if it was better to go to engineering or architecture.
but choosing between two completely different worlds seems to me a force
It's obvious that you don't have a background in the naming industry or the medical sector.
This doesn't mean you wouldn't be a good doctor or a good engineer.
choices must always be made in view of the opportunities that you could exploit
where the "heart" takes you
the important and that studies
I'm having a hard time understanding the question
I could see if you were wondering if it was better to go to engineering or architecture.
but choosing between two completely different worlds seems to me a force
It's obvious that you don't have a background in the naming industry or the medical sector.
This doesn't mean you wouldn't be a good doctor or a good engineer.
choices must always be made in view of the opportunities that you could exploit
where the "heart" takes you
the important and that studies
Ste_d
Guest
I have a friend coming from the classic and the initial examinations of analysis and physics we passed them together with rather similar votes (I scientific maturity pni). I can tell you that I thought I'd "fly" these exams because everyone told me "with the preparation of the science you're good" and instead I can answer "but with the ca**o!"
Do you know what the first prof tell you in the first year at drawing, analysis and physics courses?! "take your knowledge of high school/itis and throw them away, here you start from 0!" and it's true...
There is a basic condition beyond this... Do you like mechanical engineering? Do you love me? I have always manifested this interest even though my father is civil engineer. I could have done nothing but mechanical in life and so it was! this is a very important stimulus to undertake a course of studies... If you start jumping from one sector to another means you don't even know what you really want to become. like some of my comrades who from mechanical ing have passed to oriental letters... Not exactly the same thing we say!
Do you know what the first prof tell you in the first year at drawing, analysis and physics courses?! "take your knowledge of high school/itis and throw them away, here you start from 0!" and it's true...
There is a basic condition beyond this... Do you like mechanical engineering? Do you love me? I have always manifested this interest even though my father is civil engineer. I could have done nothing but mechanical in life and so it was! this is a very important stimulus to undertake a course of studies... If you start jumping from one sector to another means you don't even know what you really want to become. like some of my comrades who from mechanical ing have passed to oriental letters... Not exactly the same thing we say!