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Watch journalists. . .
That doesn't mean it's not a chance, but as long as one says bau, everyone else goes after him.
read my previous post well.
And by the way... If a tragic accident occurred during the trailer... of the series a malfunction of the valves of the bins or an imprevista (sic...) tiled and the ship breaks and sinks... What would eventually be the balance of costs on the coast?
I have seen many ships (and also ny metro wagons) that once "bonified" they are then sunk.
the Americans in front of the coasts have sunk of everything including tanks dismissed (bonified) to safeguard their coasts from straw fishing.
 
as logic, the ships that are no longer used, generally because their operating costs are no longer convenient or because they do not find buyers in the market of the used, are purchased to be scrapped in the demolition yards.
in these yards are extracted and recycled the materials obtained from demolition, mainly the steel coming from the hull. We start on a assumption, demolitions cost and cost a lot. This is a business for the company entrusted only if there are certain conditions i.e. use of cheap infrastructure, low maintenance and safety costs, low cost labor, efficient recycling facilities.
If these conditions persist, the armor company receives about $300 per tonne so for the concord it would be about €26,000,000. but these conditions are difficult to obtain in Italy or even in Europe.

the demolition of the ships has become with the years a big problem because it puts in play the entire cost of the fleet market. in fact every demolition should involve the construction of new ships and, if you build new larger ships, the economy of scale leads to demolish the older ones by triggering a vicious circle. but in periods of economic crisis demand falls and with it liquidity. the shipowners, thanks to incentives and funds, continue to build new units but without dismantle the old ones that are sent where to demolish it costs very little. are many and different reasons why it is difficult to make the recycling of ships economically profitable and at the same time compatible with environmental standards: the variability of the goods market (which mainly uses oil tankers and bulk door); the diversity of materials with which ships are built and the fact that some of them are hardly reusable (composed materials) or are no longer used or are prohibited (such as asbestos on older units); sometimes expensive treatment of recycling of certain materials.
for these reasons most demolition yards are located in southern Asia (especially in India and bangladesh). if it is considered that a maneuver is paid 2$ per day, that there are huge differences about the costs derived from the protection of the environment and health seen "indulgence" on the disposal of toxic waste, that you get substantial gains from recycling and selling of used materials (marketed by us non-existent), it is explained why the operators of southern Asia can offer much more advantageous prices to the owners of the ships compared to the potential competitors of other countries, especially. labor comes from areas of extreme poverty and is constituted largely by minors without any protection or insurance.
There is no system to prevent soil contamination resulting in a very serious pollution of water and beaches, there is a high number of accidents due mainly to gas explosions from hydrocarbons and the fall of demolished material, incurable diseases due to the absorption of highly dangerous substances.

Thus in the last twenty/three years the number of demolitors in the ue has fallen considerably so that in the ue and ocse (Turkey laws) now only military units are demolished and also we call it "specialization" does not seem to have long-term prospects. It's a problem that's going to get worse because, for example, all single-hull tankers have to be withdrawn and demolished.
until not many years ago the sad primacy was up to alang, place in the gulf of cambay, the largest port of demolition of the ships in India, the third of the world after the cina and the bangladesh. It is a Dantesque group considered the black beast of the ecologists (google maps, it is impressive).
They demolish up to 180 ships per year and at the rate of one every three months, hundreds of workers armed with cannello cut, disassembled, shredded, decomposing in smaller and smaller pieces. around the women are loaded with a door, of furnishings, chairs, tables, and along eleven kilometers of sandy coast, the scene is repeated for a hundred yards improvised. so disappears a ferry, a portacontainer, a gasier, an oil tanker.. .

today the race to modernity that crosses the india to rendere alang less competitive than the bangladesh that took away her primacy. to alang now has descended to 40 ships a year that continue to give job to 5000 workers and to the 40,000 people who gravitate there for which it appears unlikely to be its closure despite Chinese competition, made of greater technology and work hand at still lower costs.
Beyond that it is india, cina or bangladesh, it still seems a lost battle at the start. the demolition of the ships in fact, has been regulated since 1992 by the Convention of basil on the cross-border movements of dangerous waste and despite that the EU prohibits the export of the ships to be demolished outside the OECD countries, the india and other countries do not dream at least to respect the rules. for a country that tries to adapt itself, there is immediately another ready to take advantage of it.

is the case of the " koala probo", a ship of the oil company "trafigure" used for the processing of oil waste through a procedure banned in almost all countries of the world. in 2006 the ship of the poisons attempts to dock in Dutch but is rejected so it becomes indispensable to find a quick and economic way to get rid of the cargo. a "disposal company" is contacted on ivory coast and with very few scruples. the ship broke first for Estonian and then for the capital of the ivory coast where it pours into sea huge amounts of toxic materials (580 tons) causing over 100,000 intoxicated. trafigura manages to avoid the court behind the payment of $198 million compensation. A legal action was then initiated at London and the transfigure pleaded for $1,500 to 31,000 victims. Meanwhile the ship of the poisons is renamed "gulf jash" and sent in bangladesh for the demolition that however rejects it and now it is necessary to find another place to demolish it.
The market therefore moves towards more unfair countries such as Pakistan, less concerned with environmental and social relapses and where, indeed, it seems that working conditions are the worst in the world.
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What if they don't demolish her?
This question seems stupid, but I asked myself (and so it's not stupid!)

The ship, as I say, does not seem particularly damaged. mixed-structure areas are intact. the cross-structured areas are made for cutting. it cuts off the central part, rebuilds it, and declasses the ship to ro-ro. I don't tell merchant because it has the metacentre too low, even if for Mediterranean navigation why not.

I say festeria?
 
Considering that we are in Italy, despite the above law that "it would" demolition abroad, even only the fact that all newspapers appoint vanguard, I think it is a little worrying. Let's bet that the media ceases to speak of the harmony, and when no one remembers any more, we'll find that they demolished it in the group above?
one solution solution 8.49 a minute, maybe a little exaggerated. .

Since it was said that the destroyed wall mainly concerns the balconies and the accessory structures, and that perhaps after all the main structure of the hull and ship could not be really deformed, given the costs and problems for demolition perhaps what it says fulvio now could be a solution. The stockholm that spurned the gorea doria still sails, maybe it is not a perfect example, since it was almost a icebreaker, but there are still precedents, what do you say exa?

As far as the oil tankers are concerned, the oil tankers take care of it!
 
Watch journalists. . .
That doesn't mean it's not a chance, but as long as one says bau, everyone else goes after him.
read my previous post well.
Yes, I read it carefully. but, so out of curiosity I have two questions:
Do you have an idea of the rental cost of the semi-submarine ship?
If the vanguard is loaded with the wreck of the concord, what kind of sea could it face? move, agitated in storm etc.
Thank you.
 
un Article of the courier who perhaps clarifies things a bit, and that makes to reflect, even if there is the possibility that information is not as accurate as usual. Maybe my guess is true?
 
What if they don't demolish her?
And by the way... If a tragic accident occurred during the trailer... of the series a malfunction of the valves of the bins or an imprevista (sic...) tiled and the ship breaks and sinks... What would eventually be the balance of costs on the coast?
I have seen many ships (and also ny metro wagons) that once "bonified" they are then sunk.
un Article of the courier who perhaps clarifies things a bit, and that makes to reflect, even if there is the possibility that information is not as accurate as usual. Maybe my guess is true?
I think that, if they do not decide to put it back on track, an "accident" will be inevitable during the transport that could be a panacea for all these unresolvable problems.

I would like to know what will be the amount secured during the perilous journey.
 
This question seems stupid, but I asked myself (and so it's not stupid!)

The ship, as I say, does not seem particularly damaged. mixed-structure areas are intact. the cross-structured areas are made for cutting. it cuts off the central part, rebuilds it, and declasses the ship to ro-ro. I don't tell merchant because it has the metacentre too low, even if for Mediterranean navigation why not.

I say festeria?
I knew that the prora had "lowed" by over 2 meters bending "a banana" the keel.
remains the fact that to put it dry it takes a basin of more than 300m, wide than 70m, with a fishing of 20 meters (18,5 will weigh the wreck when it will be in condition to be towed more the necessary heels), do we have in Italy?
Considering that we are in Italy, despite the above law that "it would" demolition abroad, even only the fact that all newspapers appoint vanguard, I think it is a little worrying. Let's bet that the media ceases to speak of the harmony, and when no one remembers any more, we'll find that they demolished it in the group above?
one solution solution 8.49 a minute, maybe a little exaggerated. .

Since it was said that the destroyed wall mainly concerns the balconies and the accessory structures, and that perhaps after all the main structure of the hull and ship could not be really deformed, given the costs and problems for demolition perhaps what it says fulvio now could be a solution. The stockholm that spurned the gorea doria still sails, maybe it is not a perfect example, since it was almost a icebreaker, but there are still precedents, what do you say exa?

As far as the oil tankers are concerned, the oil tankers take care of it!
It is worth the above, i.e. if it has actually been lost, I see it difficult to recover. Otherwise.... every hypothesis deserves to be considered. However the stockhol had only had damage to the bow until the colliding bulk, the hull had not deformed-
Yes, I read it carefully. but, so out of curiosity I have two questions:
Do you have an idea of the rental cost of the semi-submarine ship?
If the vanguard is loaded with the wreck of the concord, what kind of sea could it face? move, agitated in storm etc.
Thank you.
I don't know how much vanguard costs. I always found generic definitions of "high costs".
I know that it can navigate at most to 14 knots but I assume that it must have favorable weather conditions.
un Article of the courier who perhaps clarifies things a bit, and that makes to reflect, even if there is the possibility that information is not as accurate as usual. Maybe my guess is true?
I read what the fincantieri says and more or less says how I am repeating myself and that in Italy there are no structures able to receive it, with the difference that I am not interested in the deal. .
I think that, if they do not decide to put it back on track, an "accident" will be inevitable during the transport that could be a panacea for all these unresolvable problems.

I would like to know what will be the amount secured during the perilous journey.
under a certain point of view the sinking would be the lesser evil always that the hull is first reclaimed (and here we go back to talking about costs).
 
under a certain point of view the sinking would be the lesser evil always that the hull is first reclaimed (and here we go back to talking about costs).
I'm convinced, but it's my simple and tireless thought, that a recovery of the ship in terms of service would have a huge commercial return, it would be a superlative marketing operation that could also justify the enormous expense to put the wreck back on.
 
return on the cruise with the concord!?
Maybe they'll call back as commander.
Unfortunately....it will have a huge success, of this I'm sure....especially during the bows to the lily, this time safely.
 
I'm convinced, but it's my simple and tireless thought, that a recovery of the ship in terms of service would have a huge commercial return, it would be a superlative marketing operation that could also justify the enormous expense to put the wreck back on.
There are pros and cons.
see for example the post of enri
return on the cruise with the concord!?
Maybe they'll call back as commander.
Unfortunately....it will have a huge success, of this I'm sure....especially during the bows to the lily, this time safely.
there will always be someone who will associate the ship to the disaster of the lily and to the mean figure of sketch.
Anyway, they're speeches, no offense, no bar, in the sense that we're valuing, judging, predicting, sitting on the couch in front of the TV.
in appearance would seem deformed only the light external wallpapers remained crushed against the cliff but the effort to straighten it could have compromised the structures
In reality we should know the real conditions of the hull, the apparatuses (remained 20 months under water), know the real costs and subtract the compensations of insurance.
You know what's bothering me?
until now the question has been in the hands of technicians and the result is that under the eyes of the world.
But he's about to move on to politicians. . .
And here I stop.
We remain in purely technical discussions.
 
technically you should have the feasibility of a recovery, and to us it is not given know, but given the costs of demolition could come advantageous a hypothesis that until yesterday seemed remote.
 
even the hypothesis of the "visitable" wreck under water is interesting, but you risk spending a gravel to empty it and clean it of everything, and you can't even sell steel. :
 
even the hypothesis of the "visitable" wreck under water is interesting, but you risk spending a gravel to empty it and clean it of everything, and you can't even sell steel. :
Who knows how the ecologists would take it?
 
even the hypothesis of the "visitable" wreck under water is interesting, but you risk spending a gravel to empty it and clean it of everything, and you can't even sell steel. :
among other things the other broken units sinking them were cleaned when they were still "in service" and therefore perfectly accessible under safety conditions (just a dock). here we have 3/4 of the ship flooded and semi-crowned, difficult a reclamation outside a basin.
 
even the hypothesis of the "visitable" wreck under water is interesting, but you risk spending a gravel to empty it and clean it of everything, and you can't even sell steel. :
Beyond the cost to make it "visitable", it should be seen where to place it and on which backdrop, then if vertical or lying on a side, and to what prophecy. to visit it comfortably the divers should not descend under 30 meters, perhaps even less, in order to avoid too long stretches in the lift. Then how would it go? with a guide? long illuminated corridors? or through a tin tunnel and ventilated in glass, as in an aquarium, strolling comfortably? wandering inside a wreck is never too sympathetic, there is always an impending danger and the impression that a marine monster waits for you just after the next bulky.....even if that's what makes this kind of dive fascinating.
 
Beyond the cost to make it "visitable", it should be seen where to place it and on which backdrop, then if vertical or lying on a side, and to what prophecy. to visit it comfortably the divers should not descend under 30 meters, perhaps even less, in order to avoid too long stretches in the lift. Then how would it go? with a guide? long illuminated corridors? or through a tin tunnel and ventilated in glass, as in an aquarium, strolling comfortably? wandering inside a wreck is never too sympathetic, there is always an impending danger and the impression that a marine monster waits for you just after the next bulky.....even if that's what makes this kind of dive fascinating.
How do you stay in 30 meters with a ship that is 70 high?
 
even the hypothesis of the "visitable" wreck under water is interesting, but you risk spending a gravel to empty it and clean it of everything, and you can't even sell steel. :
Beyond the cost to make it "visitable", it should be seen where to place it and on which backdrop, then if vertical or lying on a side, and to what prophecy. to visit it comfortably the divers should not descend under 30 meters, perhaps even less, in order to avoid too long stretches in the lift. Then how would it go? with a guide? long illuminated corridors? or through a tin tunnel and ventilated in glass, as in an aquarium, strolling comfortably? wandering inside a wreck is never too sympathetic, there is always an impending danger and the impression that a marine monster waits for you just after the next bulky.....even if that's what makes this kind of dive fascinating.
the idea of that relic repeated, reclaimed and then rebounded seems simply disappointing, regardless of the costs and the number of underwater visitors who would be attracted to it.
I find then that, on the surface or sunk, they are ships of an unparalleled ugliness, or rather, pairs only to that concept of modern cruise on a gigantic floating shopping center from which "live" venetian or the lily (with the effects we have seen) sitting comfortably on the bridge at 40 meters of height.
to make the coast agree a "calculated" risk park for fearful dives (and annexed further victims, of those who "was so experienced and prudent...") seems to me above all a slap to the memory of those poor that on that ship are drowned just for the risk "calculated" of a maneuver as useless as risky. It would seem like a find similar to a video game where on board a hunt you have to lower a dc10 directed to bologna palermo and get away with it.

it's ass that the maneuver from cum that demente (with the crew below) made it to the lily and not in the canal of the jug, otherwise the team of recovery at this hour perhaps would be working (with some "light" extra difficulty) indoor and with the possibility to admire the millenary mosaics of the domes of s. marco
 

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