autocade structural detailing 2012 e graitec advance steel

[arzigogolo]

Hello everyone!:smile:

being very fond of cad 3d for mechanics in general and in particular really efficient software for metal structures and carpentry, I would like to know which of these two software is the best, understood as functions and main features and if they are substantially comparable in terms of features.

I would like to have the same software dedicated also for solidworks and inventor, but apart from amv steelworks for solidworks that seems to me the only really efficient as it allows to insert also the bolted connections automatically, unfortunately for these cad, applications for latitan steel structures, so I see no other alternative than the autocad environment. (leaving for the moment the tekla speech I refer to another occasion).

Back to the topic, I saw some videos on youtube of graitec advance steel and seemed very powerful and versatile especially in the creation of joints and executive drawings and also in the dynamic modification of structures such as platforms and the like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxlksggmixmthat you know autocad structural detailing is substantially comparable with graitec advance steel in these respects?

Of course, I know that making a confrontation and giving a definitive judgment is practically impossible, but what do you think is the best of the two considering them in their entirety?

thanks to all for the opinions!:smile:

 

[matben70]

absolute no. asd is far light years from advance steel.

 

[arzigogolo]

absolute no. asd is far light years from advance steel.

Meanwhile thank you for the answer. Why do you say it's far light years from graitec?

I saw some videos on youtube of asd and, it seems to me, at least from what I saw, that basically the things they do are very similar. is it in the method that is different?

In practice, what makes the difference between the two?

 

[BIMchecker]

Bye-bye
I wouldn't trust what's being seen on you tube anymore.
They're definitely good for a vague idea of the potential of the various software.
to have a clear idea you have to make a targeted demo on your needs from various retailers.

if I can allow myself to give you a advice do not discard software independent from the autocad environment like tekla, bocad etc. value well all possible choices without discarding anything also because the prices to finite software (autocad+aplicative or independent software) are very close.

 

[Rudy65]

What does it mean very close??? Maybe you wanted to say double!!! !
I think 95 % of the designers use autocads given its diffusion and those who use software such as bocad and tekla also use autocad to arrange the executive drawings. this is a fact even if independent software users do not admit it.
then beyond the cost of the most expensive courses and the times to learn is far superior to maintain the annual contract. at the end for prices are not as close as you make believe.

I share who says I take tekla or bocad because I prefer independent software but not that costs are not so far away.

 

[BIMchecker]

What does it mean very close??? Maybe you wanted to say double!!! !

Bye-bye

I apologize if I contradict you but as it was written in another post (and I think that almost everyone thinks so) the cost of the application must be added to the cost of autocad as unthinkable for their operation.

so as already written (http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=28262&highlight=prosteel&page=3) the cost of an application such as advance stell from 11000 to 15000 euro, while a tekla software goes from 10000 to 20000 euro, prices seem inclusive of courses and assistance.

 

[arzigogolo]

Hello bimchecker and hello rudy.

Thanks for the cost suggestions that I find very useful if I find myself in the situation to suggest to my possible employer the different approaches of the two programs.:finger:

At the moment, for my personal curiosity, for passion and desire to learn the functionality of the two programs, I would like to know if there is a lot of difference between asd 2012 and graitec advance steel, just at the level of potential between the two. I mean, if they basically do the same thing or if, as I understand, one is clearly better than the other.

for the idea that I made myself looking at demos on the graitec site and some movies on youtube, advance steel seems superior to asd. indeed, I think I can say that basically tekla (I think an excellent software like graitec), and advance steel are equivalent and both a little higher than asd. But, of course, not knowing them well, I would like to know better by asking for your opinion.

 

[Rudy65]

Bye-bye

I apologize if I contradict you but as it was written in another post (and I think that almost everyone thinks so) the cost of the application must be added to the cost of autocad as unthinkable for their operation.

so as already written (http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=28262&highlight=prosteel&page=3) the cost of an application such as advance stell from 11000 to 15000 euro, while a tekla software goes from 10000 to 20000 euro, prices seem inclusive of courses and assistance.

Perhaps you are not informed about prices and continue to write inaccuracies.
prices for a more autocad application range from 7000 to 11000. I think it's a big difference from what you want to make believe. the difference is that you have autocad you can also use it to draw anything other than with independent programs no!!!

 

[Rudy65]

returning to the discussion on asd the best thing you need to make a presentation from the dealer.
take into account that asd from what I find is included in the revit strcture package.

Hi.

 

[blind]

Perhaps you are not informed about prices and continue to write inaccuracies.
prices for a more autocad application range from 7000 to 11000. I think it's a big difference from what you want to make believe. the difference is that you have autocad you can also use it to draw anything other than with independent programs no!!!

Bye-bye

if you take the cost of the course and the cost of 1 year of assistance or do not consider the cost of autocad (which however must be purchased) you may be able to approach figures ranging from 7 to 10 thousand euros only with autocad + tecnometal that as you will read in other posts is not so exceptional.

for example for advanced steel the price list (preventive made at the beginning of December) starts from the base autocad that is around 5.000€ more the cost of the application that according to the version goes from 6.000€ to 10,000€ for a total that as said bimchecker (among other citing a my post) can vary from 11.000€ to 15.000€ approximately.

 

[arzigogolo]

hi guys and thanks for the tips!

I just got permission from graitec, behind my request, to have the demo version of 30gg to try how it works. As soon as I have a little time, I try and tell you my impressions.

in the meantime there is someone who used asd and can tell me how it is located?

Thanks again!:smile:

 

[Lucky-Luke]

Hello everyone!:smile:

being very fond of cad 3d for mechanics in general and in particular really efficient software for metal structures and carpentry, I would like to know which of these two software is the best, understood as functions and main features and if they are substantially comparable in terms of features.

I would like to have the same software dedicated also for solidworks and inventor, but apart from amv steelworks for solidworks that seems to me the only really efficient as it allows to insert also the bolted connections automatically, unfortunately for these cad, applications for latitan steel structures, so I see no other alternative than the autocad environment. (leaving for the moment the tekla speech I refer to another occasion).

Back to the topic, I saw some videos on youtube of graitec advance steel and seemed very powerful and versatile especially in the creation of joints and executive drawings and also in the dynamic modification of structures such as platforms and the like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxlksggmixmthat you know autocad structural detailing is substantially comparable with graitec advance steel in these respects?

Of course, I know that making a confrontation and giving a definitive judgment is practically impossible, but what do you think is the best of the two considering them in their entirety?

thanks to all for the opinions!:smile:

but advance steel and autocad structural detailing are not software for mechanics.
are specific for carpentry

 

[arzigogolo]

but advance steel and autocad structural detailing are not software for mechanics.
are specific for carpentry

originally written by arzigogolo
Hello, everyone!

being very fond of cad 3d for mechanics in general and in particular really efficient software for metal structures and carpentry, I would like to know which of these two software is the best.. .

In fact, if you read my first message that you mention yourself, I explain that in particular I am passionate about carpentry software as well as for mechanics.

 

[Lucky-Luke]

In fact, if you read my first message that you mention yourself, I explain that in particular I am passionate about carpentry software as well as for mechanics.

Sorry, but I missed the ride.
As you are interested in carpentry software, I suggest you analyze them a little bit.
in the link below you will find a comprehensive analysis of the various software dedicated to carpentry:
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=3543

 

[gil]

Many of the software mentioned in the discussion are computing software and not drawing software (for example see robots), some are many dated, others are never taken off, failing to develop and spread. in my opinion the specific cads to consider for carpentry design are only 5:

1. autodesk structural detailing: a discreet modeling product, a bit lacunous in the table, but costs less than competition. in fact with 5'500 euros you get the license of autocad, revit structure and structural detailing. an entry level product

2. teconometal: great for discreet modeling for table putting. It also has full compliance with the Italian profiles, always updated to Italian law. 7'000 euros + 5'000 (autocad license) =12'000 euros. a discreet product.

3. graitec advance steel: great for modeling and putting on the table. still not translated for the Italian language and codes, but still, more than usable. 8'000 euros + 5'000 (autocad license) =13'000 euros. a great product.

4. tekla: excellent for modeling and tableing, perfectly adapted to the Italian language and codes. Longer learning times than previous ones, its independence from autocad brings well-known advantages and disadvantages. 20'000 euros for one of the best products on the market especially for large structures of high complexity.

5. strucad: they refer me great for modeling and putting on the table, is analogous to tekla, but less widespread in our country. cost 15'000 euros.

 

[Tristan]

1. autodesk structural detailing: a discreet modeling product, a bit lacunous in the table, but costs less than competition. in fact with 5'500 euros you get the license of autocad, revit structure and structural detailing.

non 5.500 ma 6.500 euro :wink:

 

[blind]

4. tekla: excellent for modeling and tableing, perfectly adapted to the Italian language and codes. Longer learning times than previous ones, its independence from autocad brings well-known advantages and disadvantages. 20'000 euros for one of the best products on the market especially for large structures of high complexity.

the price of tekla is not fixed and varies according to the version from 10000 to 20000 euros including the course and 1 year of assistance.

 

[gil]

the costs I put are indicative, referring to an average price between average and maximum. clearly there is some variability.

in 2010, (the penultimate) I stopped long with the autodesk commercial that I remember proposed 5'300 asd+autocad+revit. I remember because I was impressed by the fact that asd and revit were practically given as autocad alone sold them to 4'900. But I have not deepened.

at the same fair I dwelt at the stand of tekla, where together with skilled and competent technicians I found a particularly unpleasant commercial that I spread the figure "from 20'000 for the first license with discounts on the next". But even here I did not hear the speech.

 

[arzigogolo]

Sorry, but I missed the ride.
As you are interested in carpentry software, I suggest you analyze them a little bit.
in the link below you will find a comprehensive analysis of the various software dedicated to carpentry:
http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=3543

Many of the software mentioned in the discussion are computing software and not drawing software (for example see robots), some are many dated, others are never taken off, failing to develop and spread. in my opinion the specific cads to consider for carpentry design are only 5:

1. autodesk structural detailing: a discreet modeling product, a bit lacunous in the table, but costs less than competition. in fact with 5'500 euros you get the license of autocad, revit structure and structural detailing. an entry level product

2. teconometal: great for discreet modeling for table putting. It also has full compliance with the Italian profiles, always updated to Italian law. 7'000 euros + 5'000 (autocad license) =12'000 euros. a discreet product.

3. graitec advance steel: great for modeling and putting on the table. still not translated for the Italian language and codes, but still, more than usable. 8'000 euros + 5'000 (autocad license) =13'000 euros. a great product.

4. tekla: excellent for modeling and tableing, perfectly adapted to the Italian language and codes. Longer learning times than previous ones, its independence from autocad brings well-known advantages and disadvantages. 20'000 euros for one of the best products on the market especially for large structures of high complexity.

5. strucad: they refer me great for modeling and putting on the table, is analogous to tekla, but less widespread in our country. cost 15'000 euros.

non 5.500 ma 6.500 euro :wink:

the price of tekla is not fixed and varies according to the version from 10000 to 20000 euros including the course and 1 year of assistance.

the costs I put are indicative, referring to an average price between average and maximum. clearly there is some variability.

in 2010, (the penultimate) I stopped long with the autodesk commercial that I remember proposed 5'300 asd+autocad+revit. I remember because I was impressed by the fact that asd and revit were practically given as autocad alone sold them to 4'900. But I have not deepened.

at the same fair I dwelt at the stand of tekla, where together with skilled and competent technicians I found a particularly unpleasant commercial that I spread the figure "from 20'000 for the first license with discounts on the next". But even here I did not hear the speech.

at the same fair I dwelt at the stand of tekla, where together with skilled and competent technicians I found a particularly unpleasant commercial that I spread the figure "from 20'000 for the first license with discounts on the next". But even here I did not hear the speech.

Yes, it is! When you get a hateful person, you want to send him to that country and his software!:tongue:

Anyway, thanks to all for the tips!:finger: in fact you have confirmed my impressions regarding graitec, tekla and asd. that is that graitec and tekla, always according to me and watching the various movies on youtube, are the best, while asd seems a slightly lower level than the other two.

I now downloaded a demo of 30 days from the graitec site and as soon as I have some time I install it because I'm curious to see how it goes. Now as now, if I had to choose one, I would choose graitec advance steel because it seems to me the best. then tekla seems to me at the same level, but I prefer advance.

a last curiosity: do you know by chance if there is a software dedicated to carpentry like these of the discussion also in the inventor environment?
because it is a shame that you cannot exploit the potential of inventor with such software. In fact, it would take something like this to integrate into the frame generator, as it is a little weak if you have to do a push carpentry.

that I know, it seems to me that it doesn't exist, but maybe I'm wrong.:biggrin:

 

[gil]

for inventor I do not know them, but exist for similar applications born for mechanics, such as solidworks for which there is steelworks