hi arzigogolo, for what I know, there are no applications for carpentry on inventor. many years ago, prosteel had tried but it is the prinvipal engine that struggles to manage the myriad of objects; a few years later they gave up everything.Yes, it is! When you get a hateful person, you want to send him to that country and his software!:tongue:
Anyway, thanks to all for the tips!:finger: in fact you have confirmed my impressions regarding graitec, tekla and asd. that is that graitec and tekla, always according to me and watching the various movies on youtube, are the best, while asd seems a slightly lower level than the other two.
I now downloaded a demo of 30 days from the graitec site and as soon as I have some time I install it because I'm curious to see how it goes. Now as now, if I had to choose one, I would choose graitec advance steel because it seems to me the best. then tekla seems to me at the same level, but I prefer advance.
a last curiosity: do you know by chance if there is a software dedicated to carpentry like these of the discussion also in the inventor environment?
because it is a shame that you cannot exploit the potential of inventor with such software. In fact, it would take something like this to integrate into the frame generator, as it is a little weak if you have to do a push carpentry.
that I know, it seems to me that it doesn't exist, but maybe I'm wrong.:biggrin:
Yes, I read various discussions here about advance steelworks for solidworks and, from what I read (and seen on youtube), it seems to me the only one able to approach dedicated software like graitec and tekla. In fact, I think it has the fundamental possibility to create bolted connections automatically, without which, in my opinion, it is also useless that a waste of energy and resources to develop programs if they do not have this function (see builtworks for example, always for solidworks, that apart from the cutting functions beams and few other characteristics, which for charity, are always useful, but scarce, I seem not to offer much more).for inventor I do not know them, but exist for similar applications born for mechanics, such as solidworks for which there is steelworks
hello iceman, thank you for your opinion, comfort me more than I had done a right idea on graitec!:finger:hi arzigogolo, for what I know, there are no applications for carpentry on inventor. many years ago, prosteel had tried but it is the prinvipal engine that struggles to manage the myriad of objects; a few years later they gave up everything.
I use a little more than a year advance steel and are (we are) really happy a little for everything, starting with assistance (see: working with courteous people).
we used prosteel until almost a year ago when we were proposed by the Italian dealer to buy advance steel and its course because prosteel would not have been supported by them..
I use a little more than a year advance steel and are (we are) really happy a little for everything, starting with assistance (see: working with courteous people).
All I can do is confirm.at the moment instead, regarding the service of harpaceas relative to tekla as it has already been asserted by several users of the forum has always been very quick and punctual in the answers.
hi gil, personally I didn't deal with the trade negotiation when my company bought tekla so I can't give advice on tekla business.the costs I put are indicative, referring to an average price between average and maximum. clearly there is some variability.
in 2010, (the penultimate) I stopped long with the autodesk commercial that I remember proposed 5'300 asd+autocad+revit. I remember because I was impressed by the fact that asd and revit were practically given as autocad alone sold them to 4'900. But I have not deepened.
at the same fair I dwelt at the stand of tekla, where together with skilled and competent technicians I found a particularly unpleasant commercial that I spread the figure "from 20'000 for the first license with discounts on the next". But even here I did not hear the speech.
I don't understand what made you say that advance steel is better than tekla.Yes, it is! When you get a hateful person, you want to send him to that country and his software!:tongue:
Anyway, thanks to all for the tips!:finger: in fact you have confirmed my impressions regarding graitec, tekla and asd. that is that graitec and tekla, always according to me and watching the various movies on youtube, are the best, while asd seems a slightly lower level than the other two.
I now downloaded a demo of 30 days from the graitec site and as soon as I have some time I install it because I'm curious to see how it goes. Now as now, if I had to choose one, I would choose graitec advance steel because it seems to me the best. then tekla seems to me at the same level, but I prefer advance.
a last curiosity: do you know by chance if there is a software dedicated to carpentry like these of the discussion also in the inventor environment?
because it is a shame that you cannot exploit the potential of inventor with such software. In fact, it would take something like this to integrate into the frame generator, as it is a little weak if you have to do a push carpentry.
that I know, it seems to me that it doesn't exist, but maybe I'm wrong.:biggrin:
In fact yes!:biggrin:I don't understand what made you say that advance steel is better than tekla.
Are videos on youtube of advance steel more beautiful?
Are we talking about the same people??? ? we have chosen them for the purpose (positive of course) that still (with advance) is revealing such.we used prosteel until almost a year ago when we were proposed by the Italian dealer to buy advance steel and its course because prosteel would not have been supported by them.
Since we still have to learn a new program and we will have to pay more money for a program that we did not know we looked around and analyze the various competitors we decided to buy tekla, abandoning prosteel and decline the kind offer related to advance steel as well as not to be satisfied with the software that had been sold years back also service in its great friendliness has almost never been timely and satisfying in the answers.
at the moment instead, regarding the service of harpaceas relative to tekla as it has already been asserted by several users of the forum has always been very quick and punctual in the answers.
iceman, you seem too part of me, we bought prosteel in 2007 and after renovating the service contract a couple of times we decided not to continue to renew it as the service service was really poor and unreliable.Are we talking about the same people??? ? we have chosen them for the purpose (positive of course) that still (with advance) is revealing such.
I have a lot of doubts about what questions you might have asked him to do so...
I've known them for about four years and I can't share what you write at all!
I am new to this forum and found it after I had already purchased advance steel. I clearly had already seen everything that offered the market and in the end I chose the best product regarding my needs. I don't want to add criticism or praise that everyone always tries to defend their investment.Bye-bye
I apologize if I contradict you but as it was written in another post (and I think that almost everyone thinks so) the cost of the application must be added to the cost of autocad as unthinkable for their operation.
so as already written (http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=28262&highlight=prosteel&page=3) the cost of an application such as advance stell from 11000 to 15000 euro, while a tekla software goes from 10000 to 20000 euro, prices seem inclusive of courses and assistance.
I don't think I'm part of it, but only objective.iceman, you seem too part of me, we bought prosteel in 2007 and after renovating the service contract a couple of times we decided not to continue to renew it as the service service was really poor and unreliable.
very courteous but little prepared and quick in finding solutions (those few times that have managed to provide them).
other studies that collaborate with us think about it in the same way and have not renewed the assistance
Hello vanniI am new to this forum and found it after I had already purchased advance steel. I clearly had already seen everything that offered the market and in the end I chose the best product regarding my needs. I don't want to add criticism or praise that everyone always tries to defend their investment.
maybe you are not really informed about the latest price news and features of advance steel.
I bought it recently and so I can update you in this
on February 1, 2012 was released the version of advance steel 2012.
one of the most important news is that this software has its own graphic engine.
This means that the 2012 version can be used as an autocad or standalone application. the user can choose this possibility and the file that generates are 100% compatible with both versions.
the list price of the top version is the premium one is about 9000€ (includes verification nodes that tekla does not have). charamente have applied me also a little discount and therefore the difference between tekla and avance steel are more than double.
for those who do not care about the checks nodes and the possibility to work in the same model in multiple users can take the professional version that costs about 8000 € list.
Hi.
Hi.I am new to this forum and found it after I had already purchased advance steel. I clearly had already seen everything that offered the market and in the end I chose the best product regarding my needs. I don't want to add criticism or praise that everyone always tries to defend their investment.
maybe you are not really informed about the latest price news and features of advance steel.
I bought it recently and so I can update you in this
on February 1, 2012 was released the version of advance steel 2012.
one of the most important news is that this software has its own graphic engine.
This means that the 2012 version can be used as an autocad or standalone application. the user can choose this possibility and the file that generates are 100% compatible with both versions.
the list price of the top version is the premium one is about 9000€ (includes verification nodes that tekla does not have). charamente have applied me also a little discount and therefore the difference between tekla and avance steel are more than double.
for those who do not care about the checks nodes and the possibility to work in the same model in multiple users can take the professional version that costs about 8000 € list.
Hi.
as I wrote above the 2012 version no longer needs autocad!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Hello vanni
the price you have indicated of 8000-9000 is relative only to advance steel or to the complete package advance+autocad?
I ask you this because the offer that was made to me at the fair was about 14000 euros (autocad that was mandatory, advance steel, course and 1 year of assistance).
I feel very strange that in three months they reduced the price of almost 40%
the 2012 version is completed in Italian regarding the interface. manuals are almost ready.Hi.
I saw that you're using the new version of advance steel I wanted to ask if it's all translated into Italian or if there's something still in English.
I mean interface, online help, basic manuals and advanced manuals if there are any.
Thank you.
I cannot believe that you criticize the assistance of those who sold prosteel!!!! among other things you have registered in this forum only to write this. maybe if you a little part!!!!! that prosteel you like or do not like it is one thing but to say that they are not prepared is really an heresy.. .iceman, you seem too part of me, we bought prosteel in 2007 and after renovating the service contract a couple of times we decided not to continue to renew it as the service service was really poor and unreliable.
very courteous but little prepared and quick in finding solutions (those few times that have managed to provide them).
other studies that collaborate with us think about it in the same way and have not renewed the assistance
a while ago iceman had written that the dealer had told him that much of the paper material was already translated (http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=26025&page=4) but apparently it was the usual unmaintained promise.the 2012 version is completed in Italian regarding the interface. manuals are almost ready.
Hi.
define what you mean by bad habits... if you just want to talk bad, at least do it just in a discussion, so don't get in the way, thank you. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=26025&page=5&highlight=graiteca while ago iceman had written that the dealer had told him that much of the paper material was already translated (http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=26025&page=4) but apparently it was the usual unmaintained promise.
the dealer has changed software but not the bad habit of selling false promises.
I would not be surprised if it came out that they changed software not by their choice but because the bentley removed the mandate, even because now they spit in the dish where they ate for years denigrating prosteel and bentley.
define what you mean by bad habits... if you just want to talk bad, at least do it just in a discussion, so don't get in the way, thank you. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=26025&page=5&highlight=graitec
It seemed clear to me, by bad habits I mean that the dealer in many cases promised or declared non-real things.the dealer has changed software but not the bad habit of selling false promises.