better inventor or solidworks?

[davide75]

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Unfortunately the pdm in the company we do not have it because working in a design studio and therefore working with different customers does not make sense for us to take a difficult pdm.le as I repeat we have unfortunately because having the server in linux, sw does not digest it well.

@alex
question of points of view...for me if it is better than inv but cmq both have merits and defects.for the macchinos try to use pro/e and then sappimi dre and cmq agree with you on one thing:depends everything from what one has to draw.

 

[re_solidworks]

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Unfortunately the pdm in the company we do not have it because working in a design studio and therefore working with different customers does not make sense for us to take a difficult pdm.le as I repeat we have unfortunately because having the server in linux, sw does not digest it well.

@alex
question of points of view...for me if it is better than inv but cmq both have merits and defects.for the macchinos try to use pro/e and then sappimi dre and cmq agree with you on one thing:depends everything from what one has to draw.

I am the owner of a design studio and the first thing I thought I didn't give up is the pdm.
once used to use it it is difficult to do without it and I think it is an added value even in the case of an external study.
I have four clients asking me about the printed paper, the way to get it is "my fact" and if the pdm makes it easier for me to come.
There is pdm and pdm and sometimes it is necessary to spend some time to start the mechanism.
for someone I do not use it and I leave it off, if there is the claim of things that cannot be integrated I let go.
However for 90% of the work I use it and gives me a buoin advantage in many stages of design.

 

[davide75]

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a question : but the same pdm uses it only with sw or with other cad packages you have? ? just for curiousity, because I see that much do pdm customized only for the specific cad.

 

[re_solidworks]

my pdm is only for solidworks and then manages as generic all other files (office, dwg, dxf). of course it is not integrated in other cad.
In my opinion, a generic pdm is very reductive. one of the owners of the software house that produces it does not like it to be called pdm, but prefers to call it "tool of process optimization for solidworks" or something like that.
actually does a lot of things and continue to implement new ones.
Keep in mind that however, for the moment, autocad and proe have a marginal role in my work, I go to 99% with swx.

 

[davide75]

ah ok. unfortunately I can not have your percentages because as you well know you also work on behalf of third parties we do the job according to the package that has the customer. For now I can tell you that we are working in this period with if,sw,inv, but there are periods instead we go a casino with proes and one of the others for which it is very difficult for us to have a pdm.tieni present that also we have osd and think3 succeeds for which you

 

[LORIS2411]

@loris

The question of points of view, since I also use your own sw because for me the best table is that of itself.

you agree, depends on the use

 

[Pastorman75]

use sw since 1998 and since 2005 I also use inventor.
until today I would have no doubt chosen sw.

I'm evaluating exactly these days what to choose for the new company I work for.

at least "bizzarre" and "cervellotiche" commercial policies of sw italia, so I have to prostrate myself to ask that they sell me a software....... (but the world goes backwards and I didn't notice?!) are pushing me more and more towards inventor.

if autodesk makes me a good offer I do not think twice seen also the huge steps made by inventor in recent years that have, at least in part, filled the initial gap from sw.

Be careful about commercials, until today I considered these things secondary, but they made me black!

greetings

 

[DottorMouse]

I used inv from vers. 4 to 9 then passed to sw 2007 until 2009.
I have to say that sw I immediately liked especially for the table, which I found more editable, flexible. I also found it superior with regard to plates and welded structures. compared to inv that uses the project file where to set up the library paths and protect so standard already created, sw leaves more freedom for reuse of components and sub-axis, so it is necessary to pay much attention in the modifications on the assemblies. As for the standardized sw libraries, I have always seemed rather sinful compared to inv. (incasinate). for the various settings and settings inv seems easier and clean. sw gave me several problems of instability and beaks (cmq servicepack output is efficient), vers. 2009 is very improved and is prone to the great assemblies. Unfortunately I am not aware of the improvements of inv in recent versions. The economic question is also important. in the company has influenced also this for change: upgrade 2 inv licenses and purchase another 3 would cost more than buy 5 complete sw licenses of libraries and pdm.
wishes x the choice. I recommend especially to involve people in the evaluation who will have to use the software.
Bye.

 

[Mario SJPD]

upgrade 2 inv licenses and purchase another 3 would cost more than buy 5 complete sw licenses of libraries and pdm.

This news is upsetting me. Are you sure? ?

 

[cacciatorino]

This news is upsetting me. Are you sure? ?

I have no idea how much inventor really costs, but with swx you can get excellent discounts compared to the price list. . .

 

[DottorMouse]

This news is upsetting me. Are you sure? ?

you have to say that the owner is very able to deal with the price...:biggrin: when we went to do the course the dealer was still crying...:wink:
cmq we have changed inv xché sw seemed very superior as functions (which turned out to be quite true at the expense of a greater complication on certain things and greater malfunctions largely solved with the passing of versions) and also to align with an external collaborator of great importance.
we have suffered enough x the conversion of the voluminous archive, especially for the reintegration of the properties of the files, but I must say that the possibility to directly import the parts of inv and the recognition of the functions are quite efficient. rather problematic instead import complete, often obvious together passing through conversion into step.

 

[Pastorman75]

If you're told the discounts... .

I continued to use them both until today.
inv the quality jump made it from the vesion 11 sp2 onwards.

 

[re_solidworks]

If you want to consider the economic part you must also consider the policy of updating. if with swx you stop 5 years and then you get it costs you 500 € in more than a normal update, and with inventor? After three years, you buy your license again... .

 

[Pastorman75]

But I will inform you.
today comes the autodesk representative and I ask.

I'll let you know.

Hi.

 

[FRAGRO]

If you're told the discounts... .

I continued to use them both until today.
inv the quality jump made it from the vesion 11 sp2 onwards.

I apologize for my ignorance but what prices are we?

 

[GD1907]

Hi, everyone, I'll reopen this discussion to expose my case.
I work in a company that makes industrial plants, for the accuracy my office creates just the plant as a whole, then there are other offices that do things more in detail (civil structures, machines etc...)
for three years the company has decided (finally) to set aside an old program of 3d, euclid, and chose as a solidworks replacement.
with regard to the type of axiemics I have had difficulty in the large dimensions, not as the number of parts, but just as physical dimensions, at the limit of the kilometer length, and then I found difficulty (crash and slowdowns) especially in the table also because of the 32-bit pcs. However somehow, and with the new versions of swx we managed, even with the distrust of the various leaders... the old ones who used euclid to understand us.
Recently, however, the company has chosen to use a pdm, meridian, and from here problems were born with the management of the swx files, I do not know exactly what it is because I have not been involved yet, because it is now rumoured to switch to inventor.
I discovered that the company that supplies us meridian is also autodesk dealer, so everything comes back.
what I ask you: can inventor go well for the type of models we make?
then: Is it really worth after 3/4 years to replace swx because of a pdm?
A complex question, however, I thank those who want to give me your opinion.

 

[Matteo]

then: Is it really worth after 3/4 years to replace swx because of a pdm?

a pdm that "obliges" you in the choice of software is something that I can't stand... At that point I would change the pdm! there are third parties (well): do not get caught
while not selling swx, from simple user, mark that the swx pdm is very good, why not use that?

 

[The_Matrix]

for three years the company has decided (finally) to set aside an old program of 3d, euclid, and chose as a solidworks replacement.

great euclid... my love

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Hi, everyone, I'll reopen this discussion to expose my case.
I work in a company that makes industrial plants, for the accuracy my office creates just the plant as a whole, then there are other offices that do things more in detail (civil structures, machines etc...)
for three years the company has decided (finally) to set aside an old program of 3d, euclid, and chose as a solidworks replacement.
with regard to the type of axiemics I have had difficulty in the large dimensions, not as the number of parts, but just as physical dimensions, at the limit of the kilometer length, and then I found difficulty (crash and slowdowns) especially in the table also because of the 32-bit pcs. However somehow, and with the new versions of swx we managed, even with the distrust of the various leaders... the old ones who used euclid to understand us.
Recently, however, the company has chosen to use a pdm, meridian, and from here problems were born with the management of the swx files, I do not know exactly what it is because I have not been involved yet, because it is now rumoured to switch to inventor.
I discovered that the company that supplies us meridian is also autodesk dealer, so everything comes back.
what I ask you: can inventor go well for the type of models we make?
then: Is it really worth after 3/4 years to replace swx because of a pdm?
A complex question, however, I thank those who want to give me your opinion.

the first thing I think is with what criterion that pdm has been chosen, more and more often I happen to see integrated pdms without a minimum benchmarking and compatibility of programs with which they have to interface, the result often and willingly is to be found in one of these very uncomfortable situations.
I agree with matteo, at that point I would change pdm not cad.
the fact that it is worth or not to change after 3-4 years a cad, you can discuss until tomorrow morning and tell you if it is better inventor than solidworks for your industrial plants it is difficult to say, as it is very vast as field, what I know is that between inventor and solidworks there is not much difference (even if I prefer swx than inventor), but if you have to really change cad then you go to one of high end

there are multiplatform pdm (formerly plm) that manage inventor-swx-co-create files etc...
type pdmlink,teamcenter,ecc..
consider this rather.
available
greetings

 

[Matteo]

the first thing I think is with what criterion that pdm has been chosen, more and more often I happen to see integrated pdms without a minimum benchmarking and compatibility of programs with which they have to interface, the result often and willingly is to be found in one of these very uncomfortable situations.
I agree with matteo, at that point I would change pdm not cad.
the fact that it is worth or not to change after 3-4 years a cad, you can discuss until tomorrow morning and tell you if it is better inventor than solidworks for your industrial plants it is difficult to say, as it is very vast as field, what I know is that between inventor and solidworks there is not much difference (even if I prefer swx than inventor), but if you have to really change cad then you go to one of high end

there are multiplatform pdm (formerly plm) that manage inventor-swx-co-create files etc...
type pdmlink,teamcenter,ecc..
consider this rather.
available
greetings

I agree with ozzy: and repeated that I would never change a cad to meet the pdm, if you decided to take a step (false?) of the kind rather than inventor, I would choose proe that allows to manage the "accuracy" (at the base of the problems related to the "enorm" dimensions of your models) and axes more personalized than the almost totality of cads.
That said... the simplest thing is to keep the excellent swx and deepen the potential of the pdm that is in the dassault house (by demanding the support of the sales network).

other thing: are you sure that solidworks explorer used well together with good management and strict rules for the management of technical information is not enough? I've been using it for about a year and I don't feel terrible (of course it has a few limits).