coast concordia and cheerful

[Oldwarper]

What I ask...

on all satellite navigators there is a voice that warns you a tot of meters before (depending on speed) of the road you have to take.

It is possible that on such sophisticated ships there is not a system that warns in time (depending on speed and fishing of the ship) that the route coincides with the rocks that are marked on all marine cards?
seems almost impossible

There is also manual mode... and the "alert" shutdown button. and there is also the transmission to the control station of the coast the exit from the communicated route and the disintegration of the autopilot.

 

[Oldwarper]

I read somewhere that the commander had turned off the transponder that sends the position of the ship a few minutes before the accident, and restarted after the impact.

the shutdown of a transponder immediately activates the captainship of port.
not in the Mediterranean, but in the critical areas is a sign of attack of pirates or malfunction. Maybe the transponder turned off at the flooding of the machine room resulting in blackout, reactivated to the entry into function of the emergency generators. Strange, though, she wasn't under any kind of continuity.

 

[tartufon80]

I read somewhere that the commander had turned off the transponder that sends the position of the ship a few minutes before the accident, and restarted after the impact.

Of course, how to succeed otherwise to make the cum! !

 

[maxopus]

a question for exa:
Since it is very close to the coast, in order to avoid the tides to move it and make it uninhabited, there are no systems to tie it with peaks to the cliff so as to limit its movement?

 

[Matteo]

If you command the abandonment of the ship, the shipowner loses its property, which becomes a rescuer.
the shipowners stipulate contracts with the recovery companies, before abandoning the ship you must be sure that the rescuer "right" is "prossimo".
question: but has the order ever been given (officially)?
I would have a bet to make.
p.s.: who knows how many calls between "our" and the shipowner.

I think that this point is very interesting.

I think the commander is too stupid to be completely "true." . .

 

[Exatem]

a question for exa:
Since it is very close to the coast, in order to avoid the tides to move it and make it uninhabited, there are no systems to tie it with peaks to the cliff so as to limit its movement?

Max. . .
It's 292 meters long, 38 meters wide. weighs 55.000 tons and has a surface for bridge of 15.000 square meters.
The forces at stake are a little big.
Surely if there is a system, they will adopt it but I can assure you, that I have seen plates of the bridge torn from the force of the wind. I'll get you a picture.

 

[tartufon80]

Max. . .
It's 292 meters long, 38 meters wide. weighs 55.000 tons and has a surface for bridge of 15.000 square meters.
The forces at stake are a little big.
Surely if there is a system, they will adopt it but I can assure you, that I have seen plates of the bridge torn from the force of the wind. I'll get you a picture.

I read that the seabed around the cliff (to understand us on the side where it could slip the ship) is about 70 m deep.
question by ignorant: If the ship were to "precipitate", what chances are there according to you, given the masses in play, that the hull remains intact and you do not break in more trunks?

 

[cacciatorino]

Surely if there is a system, they will adopt it but I can assure you, that I have seen plates of the bridge torn from the force of the wind. I'll get you a picture.

I think in this case more than the wind could rust.... .

 

[Erikilrosso]

If you remember the call between falcon and the other, it is clearly felt that the first affirms strongly"...... she ordered to leave the ship...", and "..... she must return on board. I order it to him......" so the abandonment is confirmed, so the ship itself becomes a wreck, especially because the commander has landed, giving up the rights on it, rights that he represents in the name of the shipowners.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

with a metre metacentric radius? It's practically a floating ball!

I disagree. One meter is the metacentric height and not the radius. the trend today is to get a height of 1 - 1,5 meters while once it arrived also to 2,5 but the ships suffered violent transversal accelerations.

I don't even agree with what I said. . .
or rechecked, and the minimum laid down by the rules is clearly less than the meter. It's that I'm used to sailing boats that have greater metacentric heights to resist the bolina and straorza.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

The list is already available a few hours after boarding, since during the cruise I made the exercise was made the afternoon itself when boarding was done late in the morning (not the next day, as I heard for the tiggi'. Try to think about the hypothesis of a shipwreck the night of departure... Does it seem possible to delay this procedure? ? )

the passenger list, together with the destinazinoe, must be communicated to the captain before the ship drops the moorings. this by law. and it is also true for pleasure boats... I let you imagine how fierce this law is and how sure it is!

lack of professionalism? deliberate superficiality?

Yes, but maybe the journalist's. . .

 

[marcof]

but as it would be that it costs cruises "has no fault" : eek: you will be joking I hope.

I said that the fault is not of the ship, there was no avaria or other

I reread your posts but I still believe that the choice to put an imbecile under a ship makes the ship responsible. It's certain that that ommuncle under the command of the ship had also had in the past behaviors such as having to bring out suspects and/or reports, it didn't bounce suddenly.
You'll see he'll come out and he's been wearing a Moldovan friend in the living room. . .

 

[enri]

lied to everyone, at 23.30 the company calls a small company ( 12 people) to repair a foul on the spot. a 50-metre squirrel and the engine room flooded for almost two hours, and the inclined ship, a small foul?
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/12_...io_254fa430-426e-11e1-8207-8bde7a1445db.shtmlplot aside there are many things that do not go, take a rock known by all with a transatlantic that has a thousand tools to avoid it, nautical cards of..carta included, minds to society, to the coast guard, officers as there were, delays the requests for help of one hour at least, order a dinner at 22.30 a ship already inclined, abandon the ship before the time... etc, etc., agree that it is too stupid to be true.

 

[MBT]

You'll see he'll come out and he's been wearing a Moldovan friend in the living room. . .

seems that Moldova was not even registered on board
he saw her and told her
"go on board, caxxo!"

:biggrin::biggrin:

 

[Tequila]

Surely we will feel of crushes and cruel by now has become the media circus of the week and who knows how far it will go. If he had the Moldovan friend who was doing him a "service" besides justice he will have to explain it to his wife at home... let us say also to remain on the subject that he does not navigate in good waters.

already on the net turns the parody of the phone call between schettino and de falco, only that in place of de falco have put the sarge hartman of full metal jacket

 

[Exatem]

the tragedy of harmony is bare a reality to the most unknown and ignored. In fact, it emerges that the practice of the bow is not only widespread, but even encouraged by the municipalities in a relationship of mutual advertising (only the concordance seems to have completed 52 in a year).
Therefore it is lawful to ask how many other commanders have obeyed orders of the shipowner rather than to respect a marine tradition.
This finding unfortunately entails a reassessment of the responsibilities (except the unaccountable ones with a sketch).
if the concord has executed 52 bows in a year, possible that the Coast Guard has never noticed?
How come they didn't notice that the ship was on a collision course but they had to receive an alarm call from the lawn carabinieri?
do you know that we have a radar called vims that should monitor all the traffic, I have no idea how much, since 2009?
and that if a pleasure boat enters a forbidden zone the cp arrives and makes you a bouquet?

Of course, now you have to find the scapegoat and who if not a rabbit commander interested in blondes more than the safety of 4200 people entrusted to him.
Of course, sketch is not calamai, who was crucified and then discover that he was absolutely innocent and that he was forced by his crew to finally abandon his gorea doria.

a vase filled with poo.
It is perhaps proven that even for the commanders it is no longer worth the merit and the ability.
in Italy the selection is dead and with it they are killing one at a time those that we believed our cornerstones.

 

[Erikilrosso]

I know that the civil and military pilots, when they pass from one plane to another, have to do a training course to that type of aircraft, despite having, perhaps, already hundreds if not thousands of hours of flight.
in the commercial marina what happens?
out of the nautical institute with the diploma, after a series of boards can I become commander without further qualification courses?
grade steps from who are certified?

p.s. seems that the blonde was regularly enrolled in the passenger list (costa dixit)

 

[Oldwarper]

a vase filled with poo.
It is perhaps proven that even for the commanders it is no longer worth the merit and the ability.
in Italy the selection is dead and with it they are killing one at a time those that we believed our cornerstones.

I agree perfectly.
a "usance" suttacied by all, even those who now do the "savings of the homeland", which has always gone well, but now that someone has succeeded the "frittata" here to accuse only him of having overripped and having contravened the laws of navigation.
It is certainly the grave fault, in this fringe, of having managed the emergency in a deplorable way. If he had kept the safety and coldness required to a figure in his position and had saved all the passengers giving the alarm in good time without hiding behind a finger, coordinating the rescues coming down last from the ship and making available to the authorities, at least he would have proved that once you do a cax, but then do everything to limit the consequences. very serious to jeopardize the lives of 4000 people and a boat not even yours for a goliardic gesture, but at least limit the damage to the "ferro".

But maybe if he was so responsible, a morning like that wouldn't even make it.

As exa says, a cauldron is discovered from which it will come out of everything and more, but neither more nor less than that ceh happens abroad or in certain fields (e.g. simulated fighting between allied hunting once randomly cross into the sky or raving passages to the control tower).

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I know that the civil and military pilots, when they pass from one plane to another, have to do a training course to that type of aircraft, despite having, perhaps, already hundreds if not thousands of hours of flight.
in the commercial marina what happens?
out of the nautical institute with the diploma, after a series of boards can I become commander without further qualification courses?
grade steps from who are certified?

It's called "car pass." I'm pretty sure you do it for ships, but I don't remember where to retrieve documentation about it.

 

[Er Presidente]

the tragedy of harmony is bare a reality to the most unknown and ignored. In fact, it emerges that the practice of the bow is not only widespread, but even encouraged by the municipalities in a relationship of mutual advertising (only the concordance seems to have completed 52 in a year).
Therefore it is lawful to ask how many other commanders have obeyed orders of the shipowner rather than to respect a marine tradition.
This finding unfortunately entails a reassessment of the responsibilities (except the unaccountable ones with a sketch).
if the concord has executed 52 bows in a year, possible that the Coast Guard has never noticed?
How come they didn't notice that the ship was on a collision course but they had to receive an alarm call from the lawn carabinieri?
do you know that we have a radar called vims that should monitor all the traffic, I have no idea how much, since 2009?
and that if a pleasure boat enters a forbidden zone the cp arrives and makes you a bouquet?

Of course, now you have to find the scapegoat and who if not a rabbit commander interested in blondes more than the safety of 4200 people entrusted to him.
Of course, sketch is not calamai, who was crucified and then discover that he was absolutely innocent and that he was forced by his crew to finally abandon his gorea doria.

a vase filled with poo.
It is perhaps proven that even for the commanders it is no longer worth the merit and the ability.
in Italy the selection is dead and with it they are killing one at a time those that we believed our cornerstones.

I imagine the frustration of the port captains forced to signal hundreds of infractions to the navigation receiving as an answer the silence and the disdain of the commanders of the luxurious "fabrics of dreams".
Then, a nice day, one of these "pavones" ends up crashing on the rocks while a Moldovan was in place of piloting under the advice of a drunk captain and the old captain of the captain can raise the phone and "explain" to the "comandante" who is and what has to do with his uniform.
What a day! decades of abuse canceled in ten minutes, the captain is not only a hero is the voice of all those who work and have always worked following two rules; ethics and competence.
do we care what party captain de falco is? What team do you want? Do we care what he would do if he were to the government? no, at least I don't care, a man is a man only in the moment of the disaster and who gave such a proof of lucidity cmpetence and frank sincerity of mind doesn't need any other evidence.
Let's imagine him in charge, he, of the ship, let's imagine him on the island to guide the rescues, that other story we could tell.