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dimensioning a screw

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hello to all ..
I have to hang an electrical picture weighing 130 kg with 6 screws m6

question:
I verify the cutting screw, then I also calculate the closing force and see if it is greater than the weight force of the picture?


Thank you very much
 
small practical answer:

increases the grip surface (with the increased washer) and if you can increase the section to m8!! !

you will say.... thanks to the c...o!!! !

but you must consider that:
1) as soon as the calculation, the mechanic or the technician has already assembled it....
2) a cutting verification calculation is correct, but if the picture has to travel on a truck for the shipment, you must consider the "holes", the km on the highways and the various stresses inherent in the journey.
3) in any case a screw m6 type 10x9 steel material generally alone holds, cutting, more than 100kg in static....poi, the more they support the load, the better for the complex.

Moreover, the machine regulations impose the fixing of suspended electrical panels with almost double dimensioning compared to the real weight: that is sheet thickness and bolts appropriately dimensioned to support a 65% more of the finished weight....otherwise a structure of support to the frame foot in order to "absorb" all the weight.

currency you!!! !
 
beautiful manu!!!:)
Thank you very much.
But I wanted to understand the most genuine problem, namely:
If I have to verify some m6 screws that fix an object of 100 kg , I do not have to verify the cutting screws but I have to multiply the weight for a friction coefficient (given by the two contact materials) to obtain the closing force necessary , then the closing force tot divides it for the num of the screws, and this value compares it with the yielding of the pulling screw.

Right?

Thanks again

Sebastiano
 
Moreover, the machine regulations impose the fixing of suspended electrical panels with almost double dimensioning compared to the real weight: that is sheet thickness and bolts appropriately dimensioned to support a 65% more of the finished weight....otherwise a structure of support to the frame foot in order to "absorb" all the weight.
and where, of grace, is such a thing affirmed? What is machine regulations?
But I wanted to understand the most genuine problem, namely:
If I have to verify some m6 screws that fix an object of 100 kg , I do not have to verify the cutting screws but I have to multiply the weight for a friction coefficient (given by the two contact materials) to obtain the closing force necessary , then the closing force tot divides it for the num of the vines, and this value compares it with the yielding of the pulling screw.
Right?
first of all a question. Have you ever seen a life break? and instead have you ever seen a dowel parade from the wall, or the wall break?
the weak link of the chain must be checked, and if you have bolts to a wall, it is the wall the first to break. then you have to dimensional the dowel according to the masonry, not the screw. I think using m6 is like hanging clothes with the ball pins. I would not go under m12 rupture of the dowel during the screwing.

if you want to dimensional a bolting as if it were structural, then it proceeds like this:
- the weight to support is 'p'
- the friction force to support the weight 'p' will be fa = mu*p*k, where mu is the friction coefficient and k the safety factor (attrite)
- divide makes for the number of screws
- I find the screw whose section resistant equivalent 'a' (to look at catalog!!!) is such that: sigmay = does * k' / to where sigmay is the yielding sigma and k' is the safety factor (for yielding)

the screws that can be cut are only those with rectified stem, if the cutting work takes place on the rectified part of the stem. Of course, we're not talking about self-taxing. . .

Clear?
 
By the way, but... What does this have to do with creo direct?
Shouldn't you move?
 
Okay, thank you.
But I don't talk about a wall, I'm talking about a steel, the 130 kg inverter is fixed on a storage cabinet, the customer asks me the 6 m6 screws given by us are enough? , it is logical that I cannot use bigger screws, because it was designed so.so for me the weak ring is the screw m6
 
Okay, thank you.
But I don't talk about a wall, I'm talking about a steel, the 130 kg inverter is fixed on a storage cabinet, the customer asks me the 6 m6 screws given by us are enough? , it is logical that I cannot use bigger screws, because it was designed so.so for me the weak ring is the screw m6
Okay, then follow the indications of the second part of my post first. You should be okay.

to understand, a m6 quality 8.8 (iso 898) breaks 1641kg. we do that k is three, get a maximum load for each screw of 547 kg.
 
@ Roman lightning:

this for example is a generic sona but explains to great lines the cei-en 61439:
http://www.direttivamacchine.eu/pdf/guida_quadri_elettrici.pdfin chapter 11.6 explains the way of fixing and lifting, moreover there is an old norm (which I did not find damnation....) that imposes an iron bracket at the foot of the picture if the thickness of the sheet is not consonant to the transport raised: that is, it is at the limit of mechanical yield.
to us have smashed so much the p.... and the certificaters of uni-en with the history of the fixtures that I do not tell you....

@ sebastianora:

fulvio is right: with 6 screws also 8.8 six affixed: generally the builders have already calibrated the seal...if anything is the only thing is that if the bottom sheet is under 4mm, change it and put a thicker one!!!
 
@ Roman lightning:

this for example is a generic sona but explains to great lines the cei-en 61439:
http://www.direttivamacchine.eu/pdf/guida_quadri_elettrici.pdf
What about the machines? the machinery regulations do not exist, there is the machinery directive, which does not impose anything, simply recommends. The res of the machine directive concern those of low voltage, nothing to do with the rules you mention, which are of product.

but this just to make clarity.

Anyway, nice document, thanks to the report!

@ sebastianora:

fulvio is right: with 6 screws also 8.8 six affixed: generally the builders have already calibrated the seal...if anything is the only thing is that if the bottom sheet is under 4mm, change it and put a thicker one!!!
Well, look, I didn't say it's okay.
If the picture weighs 130kg, we make it can be dirt of oil, with a 0.15 friction coefficient we have 867kg to hold with six screws, then 144kg per screw.
Are you okay? Well, the numbers say yes, but that bad m6... vabbé.. .

Just pay attention to the rewinding of the plate, so take a thicker one, as manufast suggests.
 
thanks to all .peccato that the company for which work provides only m6 class 5.8
with a break of 500n/mm*2 and a yield of 400 500n/mm*2.
then:

Is the safety coefficient of the friction okay 2?
and the degree of safety for here to divide the breaking value is good 4?.
 
And it goes well...
but 8.8 class m6 screws also find them in pharmacy!
Why go looking for troubles with butter-vanadium screws?

But... Better stay wide!
Put m10.
imagine to pass on a bridge held with 4 screws m6!
The calculations swear it's enough, but would you pass?
 
ok...m6 class 5.8 taxable ..the customer already has the machine, asks us if the screws that we supplied to him m6 class 5.8 are right? It's obvious that I can't answer, but I wanted to know.

Thank you.
 
ok...m6 class 5.8 taxable ..the customer already has the machine, asks us if the screws that we supplied to him m6 class 5.8 are right? It's obvious that I can't answer, but I wanted to know.

Thank you.
What if they don't suit you?
However, aside from 8.8 p.m. and if he asks you why tell him the supplier had finished 5.8 p.m. as mbt says, 8.8 class screws find them everywhere.
 
ok...m6 class 5.8 taxable ..the customer already has the machine, asks us if the screws that we supplied to him m6 class 5.8 are right? It's obvious that I can't answer, but I wanted to know.

Thank you.
(I hope it was a caps-lock...), you are facing a dilemma!
or deny yourself (of the series you tell the customer "better to use the screws m8 class 8.8) but you are sure to sleep at night
or confirm the vines and experience that on that painting never make the nest a buzzard, otherwise it risks coming down with all the nest and the eggs
 
I think we missed a moment. The question is this:
6 m6 screws are good to support a load of 130 kg static-fixing on steel friction coefficient 0.15 ??? ?

I don't think there are any other answers right? ?

Thank you.

:))
 
I think we missed a moment. The question is this:
6 m6 screws are good to support a load of 130 kg static-fixing on steel friction coefficient 0.15 ??? ?

I don't think there are any other answers right? ?

Thank you.

:))
If conditions are like you painted them...
Yes.
 

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