team center express

[The_Matrix]

> I took it because gtemp can be written that there are tides of cagate. . .


Excuse me if I interfere but I read things that cry revenge!!!!
products, in my opinion, must be defended with facts, not with words.it is not enough that a product uses the nose to make sure that it is the panacea of every evil.
If a customer is dissatisfied, it is not true that it is always his fault.also a good product can not be suitable for all types of company and all contexts.
gtemp I don't know him, but I get it.

gtemp was "fregated" by someone who sold him an unsuitable product to his company or in any case to his context.
for this he is angry.
and how not to give him reason!!!!

it had to know the commercial (if it is a serious professional) that was selling a product too complex, too articulate or however not suitable, to such customer, by size, for economic or infrastructural availability! ! !

should therefore (if he is a serious professional) think customer premium that to its quarterly goal.

Moreover having skeletons in the closet is much more harmful than losing a sale....

Am I wrong?

Maybe the conclusions. . .it had to know the commercial (if it is a serious professional) that was selling a product too complex, too articulate or however not suitable, to such customer, by size, for economic or infrastructural availability! ! !pull them on the products you sell...
no one tells you that you sell/propose your product in contexts that are not suitable.

with gtemp, for a long time now we do not talk about neither tc, nor training, nor personal/professional skills, nor implementation. . but of other than technical or commercial...:mixed:

You can go and propose your... :finger:
we have big and small customers who have taken our solutions maybe after a short time after the adoption of something of our precious competition. . .
So I expect you to do the same quietly. :finger:

I'll tell you an anecdote. so much "that client", protagonist of the fact, was lost by zimenz...
the former customer in question makes machine tools and at the time of changing system had:
- tc2007 + nx5 + gbg
one of the biggest problems he had was the 2d:
... and nx has a 2d that's not good...
... and we have to keep gbg...
... and find us the way to use nx as gbg...
... and find us the way to recuparate x gbyte of historical gbg...
... and the nx 2d must "talk" 1:1 with tc for bom...
etc.
at the end, goodness them, decide to change system cad/pdm.
very satisfied with the choice made, from the beginning. Well...
I feel like this, by my hand, one of the boys who worked there after a year.
beppe: "I am glad you are well with xxx/yyy"
Other: "Yeah, look... better than nx/tc... More slender... Faster... etc."
beppe: " by curiosity... how you solved the bored problem of gbg... 2d powerful... integrated with pdm? ? "
Other: "Oh, that? No... not even xxx/yyyy solved it... came the general manager to tell us not to break the c......i and to use the 3d"

Beppe:

...in the end the software if you want them to go... if you don't want them to go, they don't go...
This is my thought: without pulling the nose and the "menates" like ferrari to go shopping...

Hi.

 

[The_Matrix]

ps. for ruledesigner.. .
apart from anecdotes... apart from the features of each software. . apart from your (legitimate) attempt to propose the superiority of rd vs tc for gtemp... apart from your will (legitimate) or not to take a gtemp ride and sell it rd... apart from everything. .
what was the origin of the discussion, are the tones, the offensive words used by gtemp against other users of the forum.
sin have been erased.

 

[re_solidworks]

> I took it because gtemp can be written that there are tides of cagate. . .


Excuse me if I interfere but I read things that cry revenge!!!!
products, in my opinion, must be defended with facts, not with words.it is not enough that a product uses the nose to make sure that it is the panacea of every evil.
If a customer is dissatisfied, it is not true that it is always his fault.also a good product can not be suitable for all types of company and all contexts.
gtemp I don't know him, but I get it.

gtemp was "fregated" by someone who sold him an unsuitable product to his company or in any case to his context.
for this he is angry.
and how not to give him reason!!!!

it had to know the commercial (if it is a serious professional) that was selling a product too complex, too articulate or however not suitable, to such customer, by size, for economic or infrastructural availability! ! !

should therefore (if he is a serious professional) think customer premium that to its quarterly goal.

Moreover having skeletons in the closet is much more harmful than losing a sale....

Am I wrong?

Just for observation and not to get into the problem... did you see him still a commercial who does that? in any sector, not only in the cad?

 

[Tequila]

Just for observation and not to get into the problem... did you see him still a commercial who does that? in any sector, not only in the cad?

Yes, it is. with commercial contracts only of the price, because they usually do not know at the bottom of the product they sell, otherwise they would make you their demo ad hoc and price without sending you technicians

 

[RuleDesigner]

Just for observation and not to get into the problem... did you see him still a commercial who does that? in any sector, not only in the cad?

I hope I don't raise a wasp again, since all the times I intervene there is always someone who puts himself to make behindological arguments...

to your question:
Have you seen a commercial like this?
I answer yes.
for direct experience.
those of my company.

When it happens that they send me to do a feasibility analysis from a possible client, and I return to tell the commercial that in that circumstance there is a big risk of choking fingers, 3 times out of 4 they listen to me and do not proceed further.

this behavior makes it very difficult to find then users of ruledesigner who complain about the product as it is doing gtemp.

In fact.
If you find someone, with the name and reason of the complaint, I pay you a pizza....

 

[re_solidworks]

I hope I don't raise a wasp again, since all the times I intervene there is always someone who puts himself to make behindological arguments...

to your question:
Have you seen a commercial like this?
I answer yes.
for direct experience.
those of my company.

When it happens that they send me to do a feasibility analysis from a possible client, and I return to tell the commercial that in that circumstance there is a big risk of choking fingers, 3 times out of 4 they listen to me and do not proceed further.

this behavior makes it very difficult to find then users of ruledesigner who complain about the product as it is doing gtemp.

In fact.
If you find someone, with the name and reason of the complaint, I pay you a pizza....

be careful that you would risk paying her....

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

I hope I don't raise a wasp again, since all the times I intervene there is always someone who puts himself to make behindological arguments...

to your question:
Have you seen a commercial like this?
I answer yes.
for direct experience.
those of my company.

When it happens that they send me to do a feasibility analysis from a possible client, and I return to tell the commercial that in that circumstance there is a big risk of choking fingers, 3 times out of 4 they listen to me and do not proceed further.

this behavior makes it very difficult to find then users of ruledesigner who complain about the product as it is doing gtemp.

In fact.
If you find someone, with the name and reason of the complaint, I pay you a pizza....

Come on, you're good.
I first took the defenses of beppe (not because he is my friend) and I point out that I am in clear competition also with him, but this does not mean anything, it must be objective as in all things the truth lies in the middle, it happened also to me a similar situation and my technicians think of the good of the customer sure as I of the rest, but we are also confronted every month with structural costs and salaries as you know,
It is always too easy to point your finger at games made. . .

be careful that you would risk paying her....

in fact...

 

[RuleDesigner]

be careful that you would risk paying her....

launched the rock not hiding the hand...
I wait to see if I can start paying pizzas...

 

[The_Matrix]

launched the rock not hiding the hand...
I wait to see if I can start paying pizzas...

"just if you're heavy..." (cit.)
cases are 2:

1) ruledesigner is so good that you don't even have a discontented customer... then I wonder why it is not market leader and why all other pdms sell. . .
to the "my times" (first half of the 90s...) in which pro/e was undisputed leader and collided with ug v9... catia v4... cadds4x/5... intergraph... There was absolutely nothing to sell and pro/e tripled market shares every year.

2) you have few customers, with very limited installations and issues

 

[re_solidworks]

launched the rock not hiding the hand...
I wait to see if I can start paying pizzas...

this is a public forum and I do not have the permission to make names, however do not worry that I personally participated in the replacement.
You also have skeletons in the closet.

 

[RuleDesigner]

this is a public forum and I do not have the permission to make names, however do not worry that I personally participated in the replacement.
You also have skeletons in the closet.

Great.
If so tell me privately, pizza is worth the same!!!!

 

[RuleDesigner]

"just if you're heavy..." (cit.)
cases are 2:

1) ruledesigner is so good that you don't even have a discontented customer... then I wonder why it is not market leader and why all other pdms sell. . .

who says that ruledesigner is not a market leader product?? ? ?

If, for example, you look at the Italian market of companies that have chosen solid edge as cad, the most widespread pdm product is ruledesigner pdm?

I wonder you don't know!

 

[The_Matrix]

"just if you're heavy..." (cit.)
cases are 2:

1) ruledesigner is so good that you don't even have a discontented customer... then I wonder why it is not market leader and why all other pdms sell. . .

who says that ruledesigner is not a market leader product?? ? ?

If, for example, you look at the Italian market of companies that have chosen solid edge as cad, the most widespread pdm product is ruledesigner pdm?

I wonder you don't know!

Maybe because they are 90% of your customers for cad and so you sell them rd as pdm? ... a market a little "protected" eh...
a bit like saying "if for example look at the Italian market of companies that have chosen nx as cad, the most widespread pdm product is teamcenter"
or
"If you look at the Italian market for companies that have chosen pro/e as cad, the most popular pdm product is pdmlink"
or
"If you look at the Italian market for companies that have chosen solid works like cad, the most popular pdm product is pdmworks enterprise"

Are you going? :finger:

 

[RuleDesigner]

Maybe because they are 90% of your customers for cad and so you sell them rd as pdm? ...
Are you going? :finger:

well : this means that ruledesigner pdm is a market leader .point.

but that's not what I'm interested in anymore (because I don't trade).

what attracts me most is how ruledesigner expresses today a technological leadership and The Vi " : i.e. it represents an all-Italian success, which leads to the plm market (and not only plm), innovation, ideas, new possibilities ....

on these topics (almost than on the usual polemics of those who have more customers), from technical to technical, I try a different stimulus to try ....

 

[The_Matrix]

well : this means that ruledesigner pdm is a market leader .point.

but that's not what I'm interested in anymore (because I don't trade).

what attracts me most is how ruledesigner expresses today a technological leadership and The Vi " : i.e. it represents an all-Italian success, which leads to the plm market (and not only plm), innovation, ideas, new possibilities ....

on these topics (almost than on the usual polemics of those who have more customers), from technical to technical, I try a different stimulus to try ....

Okay.
rd is the market leader.
rd is the best pdm that exists
rd is the pdm with + vision

Good sales... success is with you. I'm sure you'll surrender now and in the next few years.

I'll leave you...
I go talk to a client who has the teamcenter server in the use and 10 pro/e clients + 15 nx clients, in Italy.
I know that these are trivial problems that rd would solve without problems because it has an extraordinary architecture to allow the concurrent engineering between different cads on intercontinental distribution. . Unfortunately with the technological poverty of tc I must live with... I hope I can... If I can't, I'll call you. :finger:
this to say that every pdm has to face the technological challenges that they compete with.
definitely the product you represent is a great pdm dipartimentale for pmi... as there are others...
but from here to say it even brings "new possibilities"... boh, maybe it's true...
but the expression "new possibilities"It should be a product that represents a breakthrough.
I don't know. It seems a bit of a language to think3 of the golden times where they wanted to conquer the world... then you saw where/how they ended up.
I wish you better luck.. .
I (beppe grimaldi) if I was an entrepreneur, I would entrust my data, my corporate heritage to different companies/products... then, fortunately, there are many entrepreneurs who think differently and definitely do well.
... on the other hand, if I am a manager of a computer company and not an entrepreneur there will be a reason, right? :biggrin: alcohol:

 

[RuleDesigner]

you know also ruledesigner has several geographically displaced plants, and I must tell you that I do not impress the server in us and stations located in Europe ..

the problem is much more complex but still resolute (as it happened in some case) when it happens that there are displacements in china or far east in general where as a technician I had to face the problem of timeout times at least 4 times higher than Western European/use connections.

However it is not on the resolution of infrastructure problems that measure vision .

read what we write about www.ruledesigner.com about the opening allowed by the same technology (born initially to meet plm problems) to problems of crm, document management, product structure management, configuration mangement, project management etc etc.
everything possible based on a single product ("hyperparamentary" and guided by rules), who does not need to add the effort to integrate environments that are already of their nature.

about think3, making easy irony today (with our usual self-harm of Italians), on the remains of a company that tried to keep high the good name of Italian technology in the world, is a very sad thing not to be proud of!

 

[The_Matrix]

you know also ruledesigner has several geographically displaced plants, and I must tell you that I do not impress the server in us and stations located in Europe ..

the problem is much more complex but still resolute (as it happened in some case) when it happens that there are displacements in china or far east in general where as a technician I had to face the problem of timeout times at least 4 times higher than Western European/use connections.

However it is not on the resolution of infrastructure problems that measure vision .

read what we write about www.ruledesigner.com about the opening allowed by the same technology (born initially to meet plm problems) to problems of crm, document management, product structure management, configuration mangement, project management etc etc.
everything possible based on a single product ("hyperparamentary" and guided by rules), who does not need to add the effort to integrate environments that are already of their nature.

about think3, making easy irony today (with our usual self-harm of Italians), on the remains of a company that tried to keep high the good name of Italian technology in the world, is a very sad thing not to be proud of!

:finger:
Go easy. I'm glad your customers are all happy.
and I wish you great successes in the future.... in fact small, medium, big, very great. . .

Now it is also easy to pietire t3... and to call them fulgid examples of Italian technology in the world...
I'm sorry about the operation, but did you know the management?

Maybe when you found them in negotiations where... for ethics I can not mention examples, or remember dead people (physically dead) so useless to continue.

 

[gtemp]

First of all I have apologized for my bad words, perhaps to someone but has escaped.
I smile how the discussion has become among those who are better than the other.
I'm sure of something.
that when you go selling your product, tcx or rule, you are not clear and honest with the customer.
you show an intervention plan for the implementation, however omitting that then for the upgrade of version there are other days to pay extra.
So it happened to me, they sold me express tcx, scalable, easy implementation, in a short time go into production.
then to make the transition from version 3 (that you have to admit it didn't work much) to version 5 I had to pay 4 days of implementation, meanwhile no one told me that Vers 5 had a different architecture (maybe because that of the 3 did not work then changed), and so I have to do another training to be able to administer the system?
I didn't ask you to change architecture, you decided, and you pay me the training, I don't give you a euro.
to this I add that the fabulous version 5 had a kiss that multiplied the quantities in the product structure, and from 3 months of work at speed of snail, instead of drawing we spent time correcting the structures.

We decided to rely on siemens for an initial investment parity because we felt that there was more experience in the sector.

I repeat, I invested it on the software three years ago, when others still did not even know what a pdm was, and I firmly believe it is of help to our company.
siemens instead behaves not as a partner but as a simple and sporadic supplier, sold the software then of problems I fuck it.

greetings

 

[dolfin]

sale in do minor: touched and escape!
But that's enough, they're not all like that. Did you get a trick? Maybe we do but try to be superior.
You can always change.

First of all I have apologized for my bad words, perhaps to someone but has escaped.
I smile how the discussion has become among those who are better than the other.
I'm sure of something.
that when you go selling your product, tcx or rule, you are not clear and honest with the customer.
you show an intervention plan for the implementation, however omitting that then for the upgrade of version there are other days to pay extra.
So it happened to me, they sold me express tcx, scalable, easy implementation, in a short time go into production.
then to make the transition from version 3 (that you have to admit it didn't work much) to version 5 I had to pay 4 days of implementation, meanwhile no one told me that Vers 5 had a different architecture (maybe because that of the 3 did not work then changed), and so I have to do another training to be able to administer the system?
I didn't ask you to change architecture, you decided, and you pay me the training, I don't give you a euro.
to this I add that the fabulous version 5 had a kiss that multiplied the quantities in the product structure, and from 3 months of work at speed of snail, instead of drawing we spent time correcting the structures.

We decided to rely on siemens for an initial investment parity because we felt that there was more experience in the sector.

I repeat, I invested it on the software three years ago, when others still did not even know what a pdm was, and I firmly believe it is of help to our company.
siemens instead behaves not as a partner but as a simple and sporadic supplier, sold the software then of problems I fuck it.

greetings

 

[dolfin]

boys enough with this wall against wall!!!!! the best product is that of another!:biggrin:
in any way there is no better product only a product that best meets the needs of a company, just find it!