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workstation (fissa) sfruttabile al massimo

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hi, I would like (if possible) to give me a workstation for Christmas but I have serious doubts about what the market offers and the software require (among them do not communicate according to me). I do not have a budget for now (not over 600/800 euros)... but I would like to be "illuminated" on what to look for by premitting that:
- You can also "build/assembly" on the internet at your own risk and danger of final performance. . .
- a physical seller can sell you a "branded assembly" or a "assembled by him" always at your own risk of performance... So no one responds if you don't use it 100% (today I have never heard that a physical seller picks you up the new pc just assembled (customized for you) if not as predictive as you require when buying with your software/hardware)

I fromold who are in and out) turn again with an amd ii x3 450 3.21ghz 3.00g ram under win xp sp3 (not connected to the internet of course) and an old license like the cuckooo of rhino... You can say anything about xp but I never crashed or who knows that after installing a hd ssd (absurd and questionable choice, I guess, but the most well spent money for me since it became a splinter). I always had "sympathy" for amd... don't ask me why but I always "lasted a lot more" before it explodes.

some problems arise with win10 (in my opinion unshackled and abominable to the umpteenth power, I can't digest it as "planning") that I have already turned on the new laptop (box of 350 euros badly spent but necessary only for the internet and mail) with the menu' simil xp to have immediateness on programs to open and files to look for, but I will have to get used to it.

the programs in purchase evaluation (external budget) will be rhino (I don't know what number they arrived) and a cam 3 axes (to be evaluated later)

known many parameters in the "minimum/preferential/optimal requirements" of the various programs but then to research done here and there are unfair users (not to say anything else) as never for having spent flourishing on the pc and programs that do not use all available cores as you should or require you (for example) 8 cores on the pc and discover that they use 2 or 4 to maximum work regimen, while if you open 2 programs together a video card "unchange" to the max and mega ram counters not used. . .
possess and not change (for now), monitor, keyboard with mouse wifi doors not usb (the classic green and blue), space mouse 3d connexion configured with rhino and (spero) with the future cad, then budget only for "bussolotto/workstation". I am convinced that any technology I will acquire will already be obsolete as soon as I leave the store (virtually or physical that it is) since after a month the "new model" comes out.

in your experience you say, am I wrong to reason like that? will I be able to have and "express as a lemon" a pc to make cad/cam and take advantage of 3d connexion without drinking a coffee between one spin and another?
thanks to all and excuse the longing
 
From your point of view I understand that you have not much sympathy for computers:lol:.

in any case with regard to the most suitable configuration for you, not to let you spend a slide but in the meantime have a good machine, it would be useful to understand precisely what level you use your programs. I do not know your software (it seems to me that you only use rihno) but other users could help you if they know how your renderings are, how many polygons, file size and other technical info... from the car you work on, I think you don't have any impossible files to handle.

the new workstation, put your soul in peace, will surely have windows 10 (unless you do not want mac, linux or similar that I strongly disagree!). for the moment I would also direct you on an amd seen the very good performance and price very advantageous compared to intel, ssd, a good video card and at least 16gb ram. if you do not have technical skills and/or you do not have time to lose do not assemble it! many online shop sell already working and certified machines, also with components from you chosen.
to go into detail of the components I would wait for more info. a good system will cost at least 1000€-1200€ to give you a reference price range.

obvious that then when you buy a pc, as well as for the machines, just a few months later is already old because there is the "new version" but a good pc, kept well, you throw it also for 7-8 years!

for the speech of "shaking like a lemon" depends only on software... Usually rendering is the heaviest thing a system has to endure, modeling will almost never use the 100% system either for software limits (see autocad) or because there is no need.
 
Hello, thank you for the answer.. So... I don't like computers. up to xp, tried view = an obrobrio... seven etc. no comment and not being "malleable" as xp (which in case of crashes or conflicts enters the register and retouchs the necessary, win 10 has an update almost to every ignition) I always snobbed them.
I do not know the requirements for the "maximum performance" of the latest version of rhino, and I am not yet oriented to a cam (which I will take) with a good quality/performance ratio to feed my self-built cnc (if finished). but I read many users (here on the forum) that "cart" the pc drawing with software (cad and/or cam) "voraci" of processors and/or rams and/or video cards respecting (and sometimes exceeding) the requirements required to then find that to turn a piece of 90 degrees serve not the time of a coffee but of a pizza and beer by means... I'm more afraid of the cam than rhino. (I do not render but I tried to work with the cad a with the open demo cam for need to transfer files with various additions and sent in crisis my amd ii x3 with 3dconnexion given its "speed" of movements.

1.000/1.200€ (I thought it was a nice figure 600/800 since I look for it "nudo", without warning, keyboard,mouse etc etc... are old and not updated) are a cicin altino... but if you say that for 7/8 years I'm good with an amd... I can even think about it if covid doesn't saw my legs again like a few months ago.
 
Careful that rhino 6 does not work with the old 3d connection.
I have a space exploer and with rhino 6 is not compatible.
you will also find motherboards for your ps2 mouse connection (the green and purple one). then you may have to switch to a usb mouse or take an adapter.
Finally, I passed through windows 3.1 ,2000, xp, view, 8.1, and windows 10.
each of them has given problems, but the new products, with some exceptions, have always been better than the old ones. you are also confusing the inherent limits of software with machine capabilities. a parametric cad when it regenerates, for sequential reasons uses only one core. So no need to have 8 of them. but it is not a limit of the machine, but of software architecture.
Today I believe that amd or intel on a medium band there is little difference, so make a balanced machine. do not stay under 16gb rams, better 32 if you return to the budget, or leave the possibility of a future upgrade.
if you only work with rhino, video gaming card, costs less and makes more. depends on whether it is compatible with your cam software.
I don't know amd well and don't give you specific advice on which processor and which model to take.
 
What you tell me: eek: the 3d connexion bought Christmas 2016 "was not compatible" with xp because obsolete (or better, too "recent" the 3d connexion)... by force of dai I configured it with macro and blasphemy... Now he's old for win10. I'm not step with the times Sure but I have a time zone "squilibrato" :roflmao: with technology.
 
is no longer compatible!! I don't tell you my happiness!
I understand, with what they cost... irritating not little... are great accessories... the cost is... the "duration" before their obsolescence no.
I never "addentrated" in the world pcs used sincerely.. but if they have 6 months warranty... a first "expression" to the limit (for any problems) as soon as we get there can be.
thanks to all
 
I would not use a xeon with professional video card.
rather a good high clock processor and good gaming
 
for machine specifications it would be interesting to know something more than the jobs you would go to. above all talking about cam.
 
I understand, with what they cost... irritating not little... are great accessories... the cost is... the "duration" before their obsolescence no.
I never "addentrated" in the world pcs used sincerely.. but if they have 6 months warranty... a first "expression" to the limit (for any problems) as soon as we get there can be.
thanks to all
I've been using for a couple of years a t3600 with 32 gb ram, paid about that figure there. only upgrade a purchased k4000 card used on ebay for a hundred euros.
 
No mesh... only some surface, or closed solids designed by me. for now I go to my dear friend who uses mastercam by profession and let me play with his workstation and my drawings... I make the .iso and "game" file with my 4-axis cnc, finish the details by hand.
Cam... an expensive and unknown world, I don't know if there are/they sell "used/disposed licenses" or they are purchased "only new"... 3 axes minimum, maybe 4. but I do not know the costs of cam pro or semi pro, at least the "minimum requirements" of these cams, I still have to look around me.

Of course mastercam 5 axes is not in my reach as digits :roflmao:... but how to process pieces and strategies scares the necessary calculation
 
no mesh... only some surface, or closed solids designed by me. for now i go to my dear friend who uses mastercam by profession and let me play with his workstation and my drawings... i make the .iso and "game" file with my 4-axis cnc, finish the details by hand.
cam... an expensive and unknown world, i don't know if there are/they sell "used/disposed licenses" or they are purchased "only new"... 3 axes minimum, maybe 4. but i do not know the costs of cam pro or semi pro, at least the "minimum requirements" of these cams, i still have to look around me.

of course mastercam 5 axes is not in my reach as digits :roflmao:... but how to process pieces and strategies scares the necessary calculation
you didn't explain much. however, i understand that you do not need high productivity or quality of wheelchair surfaces, and your models do not have the geometric complexity of an air-cooled engine. in any case a cam takes its time to deal with, and a performing machine gives more taste to do things

technically, the "used/disposed licenses" cannot be revised, as they are licenses of use, and not property. then it can always happen that the software distributor gives its blessing to the transaction, but those are exceptions.

i don't know if there are free cams that do more than some 2 axes and a half processing, however on the market there are low cost software such as rhinocam or rhinonc.
then there should be something integrated in fusion360.

however between workstations and software i would begin to multiply your budget x 10.
 
:eek: i thought i'd walk away with (pc aside) a 1,500/2,000 cam (just outside the world).
and also this year... "pass"... hoping for "best times." a craftsman amortizes figures so... if he brings it up to the pension the expense of a cam.. considering the use leap.. i pay a beer to my friend and it costs me less. and he's happier:
 
:eek: i thought i'd walk away with (pc aside) a 1,500/2,000 cam (just outside the world).
and also this year... "pass"... hoping for "best times." a craftsman amortizes figures so... if he brings it up to the pension the expense of a cam.. considering the use leap.. i pay a beer to my friend and it costs me less. and he's happier:
maybe i overreacted a bit, but:

- i found it online at 1500 + iva,
- the workstation i doubt that makes sense with a cost less than 1000 euros
- rhinoceros, if you don't have an upgrade license, costs 995 + vat (if i don't remember badly)

already we are over 4500 euros. always that rhinocam does everything you need and in the price is already included a suitable post-processor for your car.

then about arguing the figure, well, that's the craft of the craftsman, don't robe.
to my clients i say that my job is to bring back the accounts, the product is only the justification.
 
In fact... price leave is a moment.
And I'll stop thinking then. 4500 are not many, but not even a few given the swinging amount of work "...I need it now and done well..." and "... I pay you as soon as I can..." It's all right.") better think twice.
thanks to all for the advice, I will displace myself somehow;)
 
I can try to win7... I have "proved" without outcome win7upgrade It gives me continuous mistakes. .
I have a configuration so that (to today) the pc works egregiamente

asus m4n68-tm v2
ii x3 450 3.21 ghz
3.00 gb ram
samsung ssd850 evo 750 gb (a rock of hardisk)
canon mp270 (functioning printer )
avira antivirus (as much as I may need o_o)

who of you without losing too much time (precious) can tell me a free software or a site (other than the above indicated not working on my pc after 5 downloads on different sites) to understand if the migration to win7 is easy and painless at the level of "necessary" driver availability?
ps but is it so "simple" switch from win xp to win 7 without formatting and reinstalling all programs in use or are chatting from bar?
thanks for the answers
 
I can try to win7... I have "proved" without outcome win7upgrade It gives me continuous mistakes. .
I have a configuration so that (to today) the pc works egregiamente

asus m4n68-tm v2
ii x3 450 3.21 ghz
3.00 gb ram
samsung ssd850 evo 750 gb (a rock of hardisk)
canon mp270 (functioning printer )
avira antivirus (as much as I may need o_o)

who of you without losing too much time (precious) can tell me a free software or a site (other than the above indicated not working on my pc after 5 downloads on different sites) to understand if the migration to win7 is easy and painless at the level of "necessary" driver availability?
ps but is it so "simple" switch from win xp to win 7 without formatting and reinstalling all programs in use or are chatting from bar?
thanks for the answers
Hi.
1) personally I always prefer to make a clean installation... most of the time this passage creates snares.
2) microsoft finished support for win 7
3) I would pass to win 10
4) Your pc supports up to 16gb ram with 3gb do not go anywhere....I know it works but slow
5) I would upgrade the cpu that is slower than an old i3 intel
...of course, my remarks apply in order to make targeted upgrades with a few snips to avoid scraping the pc that works well from how you write.
 
Okay. Imagine that I want to install everything from zero to win 10...
change ram, I deduct to look for 1 or 2 slots to get to 16 gb...
then a processor with soket amd...
video card (ge force 210) if it turns I hold this (last cost more video cards of the processors) hd I keep my

a spanne... you know what expense you can expect to fully exploit the motherboard cator that I have?
bear patience but I always believed that my motherboard and processor did not turn on win 7.. And you tell me I could even get to win10. last doubt.. programs that only turn on xp? Can you emulate them on win10?
Thank you.
 
considering the costs of components and licence of the s.o. I don't know how worth it to keep working on the old pc.
 

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