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linch said:
Obviously not cash, but a workload that allows (to the volunteer) at least for the first time a quiet "survival".
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Okay, it's understandable what you want, but I think it's a more suitable concept for an existing group.

in this case the perspective is different: who "enter" from the beginning does so knowing that he has to build from scratch a visibility and a "structure" (first of all) that will give fruits only in time... This is why I was talking about "restricted group" (I thought about 10-20 members, after 2 days I think it would be complex to start with more than 5 subjects) and "motivation".

I speak from experience: In the past I was part of an eng-network consortium and now I am working on a development of the caedevice network, in both cases the problems were those I mentioned earlier.
 
I could help you with foreign relations, indeed... I often and gladly happen that customers ask me the most diverse kinds of services.
 
Parametric_Ozzy said:
I could help you with foreign relations, indeed... I often and gladly happen that customers ask me the most diverse kinds of services.
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It would be a great thing to be able to compare yourself outside your own orticello.
We keep you updated.
 
I try to follow the discussion, although I do not have much time to intervene constructively. I'm also waiting to have some time to read me well or study the interventions of matteo and meccbell.

I sincerely do not feel a particular need to associate myself, but on the other hand I would not mind getting in touch or collaboration with other people or studies that do this job, and ultimately sharing is the main reason why I am enrolled in this forum.

I was thinking that I could make my availability only to a small area of what I normally do in my study, for example for the part of surface modeling (which I like most), or other things that you can decide by common accord. I say this because I also develop industrial product following the whole lifecycle of the product, and those of you who know this sector also know that in the case of particularly difficult and innovative products the activity of research and development is quite challenging, it involves considerable responsibility and malaise (sometimes even some headaches), you need a constant and continuous relationship with the customer, with mechanics, electronics and so on; it is necessary to be there on the spot with all its energies to touch with hand the problem. the distance from the customer in such a context could be a limit, generating misunderstandings, in short, could cause difficulties that I might not be willing to hire.


then, will an investment be necessary?
 
I support the initiative, is what we all hope, since the times of the first "collective projects".

I also wondered whether this consortium could express itself (in the future, when the "mark" "tira":cool:) not only satisfying customer requests but also proposing new ideas and products.
 
myface said:
I support the initiative, is what we all hope, since the times of the first "collective projects".
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Hello myf... .
Of course when we joined something we also created it
we plan to participate in the contest: rotational design http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?p=116526#post116526
myface said:
I also wondered whether this consortium could express itself (in the future, when the "mark" "tira":cool:) not only satisfying customer requests but also proposing new ideas and products.
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I believe from what I understood in the discussion that someone already has the idea
You should find the sponsor

I wish you a good weekend
 
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incasinata said:
...boys, I really hope that the next story to be told is your....
http://milano.corriere.it/milano/cr...rowdsourcing-case-history-1901618513190.shtml
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Hi there... .
♪
you can't pull out max wrotethe goods sectors that come to my mind are:

naval, aeronautical and aerospace, energy (including renewables), architecture, furniture, automotive, public transport, motorcycling.
incasinata said:
...I follow you with such admiration :36_3_8:
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according to me in the "consortium" we only miss the architect
I wish you a good weekend
 
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Fulvio Romano said:
and would you consider it a value or a defect?
:hahahah:
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Unfortunately it also serves that :biggrin:
I give you the example of custom-made furnishings for commercial exercises (pharmacies, perfumeries ...) for which the customer typically addresses an architect.
the architect actually does not design an executive stern.
typically you pass directly to the carpenter ... that with the drawings of the architect tries to understand what is to do, we bang over the horns for 2 weeks to pull out a quote (telefonates, discussions, changes to go-go).
This is done by all the moths who want to win the contract.
you have a waste of immemorial resources, because you have 10 mowers working for 2 weeks to calculate the quote, and one will take the job.

If, on the other hand, an executive designer, who decides component by component to be done, would distribute the request for an executive budget to the 10 phonies that in 1 day would draw out the estimate.
In this way you would have an executive designer who would do the translation work of the architectonic and not 10 phonies.

that the carpenter does not look for this kind of professional figure I can also understand it, but I never understood why the architect does the same thing.
 
maxopus said:
that the carpenter does not look for this kind of professional figure I can also understand it, but I never understood why the architect does the same thing.
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What's wrong with him?
In the sense: the reasoning that you do is the same as the companies that divide the orders on multiple suppliers, who work simultaneously with each other, shortening the so-called lead time and reducing the risk that if the only supplier is "planned" with him is blocked all the commission.
However, you, me and many others of the forum have a vision based on production, perhaps for some more related to design and development, while for others it is more tied to the acute smell of rovent chips.

those who do the work you say (design of interiors and custom furnishings, sets for various events and shows, etc.) have a more moved vision on styling, on "cool", which often contemplates continuous changes in the project, not to say the remake everything from the top.
therefore the priorities for them are well others, also because they are paid equal, whether the job if you leave only one carpenter, that if they did it in 10 or 20.
In fact, if you do it only one is one to follow, only one overlay every tot days to do, only one to dick if wrong anything, only one progress work to check and on which eventually maybe to pull the price.
if instead they are more than one you multiply everything.
Who makes it. .
 
I'm sorry about myface surgery, which I hoped would sooner or later say yours!
I make an example that so you understand immediately if what I think makes sense or not.
I'm red mario and I designed a dining table that cooks my pizzas instantly on the plate! It's a really cool project, so I'd like to propose it to someone.
contact companies saying that red mario would like to present a project.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ! !
Nothing! !
while instead... .
I, mario Rossi, together with my group "consulent" of the megagalactic structure cad3d, I gave birth to this wonderful project of table that slices the salami and the ham with the only imposition of the hands!
this time I do not contact the companies...but of course it is the commercial structure, which will surely have the qualities and the "cards" to offer an adequate presentation of the object in question!
and behind it...of course there will be simply red mario... but a structure that sounds monstroously more sparkling! ! ! !
Moreover...every idea proposed within the group can be evaluated correctly improved by a considerable number of technicians who will know how to increase the functional and aesthetic technical rate of the project!
I mean... when you introduce yourself to propose the idea... it's almost "turnkey" or something!
Do I make it too easy?
Of course...if I say all this...it is because I would like to throw myself into the project in the context of design!

while as expressed by maxopus in the last post I completely agree! and that's what I've been trying to do in the last year of work at a study I've collaborated with... even if I think there are clarifications to do... but you don't need to do it now and here! :wink:
 
Meccbell said:
What's wrong with him?
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This does not take into account an important thing.

I have to furnish a local, I turn to 5 companies and I ask 5 quotes.
Of course 1 will do the job and the other 4 will not.
If those 4 to make the quote took 15 days, they sustained a quite heavy cost and the next time I contact them to ask for another quote maybe they will do it to me and if they will do it the cost supported the previous time somewhere they will have to download it.
admitted and not allowed that all 5 will continue to make estimates will however have an incidence of the preventive on the finished product higher than the method indicated by me.

in reality someone will not make me any more quotes, someone will go into suffering, someone will close.
It's a method that's giving its fruits... here close to all the small companies that deal with this sector are jumping like the pins on the bowling alley.

There are also major quality and economic problems (breaking pieces, accounts that do not return) in this way of doing the job.
If I see that I use 2 weeks to make a quote, I try to save time.
instead of making separate components, simulating a nesting of materials, calculating the costs of machining, mounting .... I'll take an estimate and drop a number.

When the time comes to do the job if I went well I go ahead, if I did something wrong, I fight with the architect and I'll take the money back.
over time, if I get 2 or 3 beats done well, I bounce and good night at the bucket.
 
Yes, max.
see that in the end the problems remain in the lead for 90% to the carpenter?
the architect always saves himself. If so, with the client who is detained for delays, he will say that it is the fault of those phony cellarers, who are not able to work and it is better that they close all.
and he will also say that, given the circumstances, he is right, because the facts "cock it".
 
Meccbell said:
Yes, max.
see that in the end the problems remain in the lead for 90% to the carpenter?
the architect always saves himself. If so, with the client who is detained for delays, he will say that it is the fault of those phony cellarers, who are not able to work and it is better that they close all.
and he will also say that, given the circumstances, he is right, because the facts "cock it".
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This means just making paracuxis, an economic system works if you work together looking for the right solutions and not for philanthropy but simply because it is an economic principle ... if the chain works there are savings and if there are savings you are more competitive.

As you say, the selling price is not an abstract data but is the result of your business strategy.
If you work badly your selling price will be higher and the market if it is really competitive sooner or later you throw yourself out.

If I give the tools to the carpenter to work well, he will go ahead and he will be happy to do the job and brings two money home.
the customer will be happy and will spread the voice that "those work well".

because to pretend that the carpenter does everything "from there", and they are all caxxi his if he wants to work, it is from imbeciles.
knowing among other things that these do not have a technical office and that sooner or later the toy breaks.
 
Fulvio Romano said:
and would you consider it a value or a defect?
:hahahah:
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maxopus said:
Unfortunately it also serves that :biggrin:
I give you the example of custom-made furnishings for commercial exercises (pharmacies, perfumeries ...) for which the customer typically addresses an architect.
the architect actually does not design an executive stern.
typically you pass directly to the carpenter ... that with the drawings of the architect tries to understand what is to do, we bang over the horns for 2 weeks to pull out a quote (telefonates, discussions, changes to go-go).
This is done by all the moths who want to win the contract.
you have a waste of immemorial resources, because you have 10 mowers working for 2 weeks to calculate the quote, and one will take the job.

If, on the other hand, an executive designer, who decides component by component to be done, would distribute the request for an executive budget to the 10 phonies that in 1 day would draw out the estimate.
In this way you would have an executive designer who would do the translation work of the architectonic and not 10 phonies.

that the carpenter does not look for this kind of professional figure I can also understand it, but I never understood why the architect does the same thing.
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Meccbell said:
What's wrong with him?
In the sense: the reasoning that you do is the same as the companies that divide the orders on multiple suppliers, who work simultaneously with each other, shortening the so-called lead time and reducing the risk that if the only supplier is "planned" with him is blocked all the commission.
However, you, me and many others of the forum have a vision based on production, perhaps for some more related to design and development, while for others it is more tied to the acute smell of rovent chips.

those who do the work you say (design of interiors and custom furnishings, sets for various events and shows, etc.) have a more moved vision on styling, on "cool", which often contemplates continuous changes in the project, not to say the remake everything from the top.
therefore the priorities for them are well others, also because they are paid equal, whether the job if you leave only one carpenter, that if they did it in 10 or 20.
In fact, if you do it only one is one to follow, only one overlay every tot days to do, only one to dick if wrong anything, only one progress work to check and on which eventually maybe to pull the price.
if instead they are more than one you multiply everything.
Who makes it. .
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I wanted to avoid
Oh, my God! ! ! ! ! ! !
in the field in times of lean we take care of furniture of negozzi in franchising
where the architect is foundmetal
I didn't know how to get involved."
The time of the fish with the barrel is over:rolleyes:
Thank you very much
 
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