coast concordia and cheerful

[marcof]

the difference is clear, my intervention was only to punctuate that the coast of cruises has no fault in this regard, the problem was not of the ship but welcome from a maneuver of a Commander I guess it wasn't supposed to be done.
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but as it would be that it costs cruises "has no fault" : eek: you will be joking I hope.

unless the commander suddenly bounced off on the day of the shipwreck I think that an unflattering judgment on that character could be formulated well before the accident, because that is able to behave in that way, denying the evidence, dareing to report for an hour the real situation and escaping like a coward having the courage to say "yes, now I stand" then turn the butts.
I read that he ordered dinner 40 minutes after hitting the rocks. a total moron!... and the coast cruises will ask for it.

 

[Mike1967]

is emerging (not the ship, unfortunately) that the bow was a normal practice, almost a spot, so coast and port captain were aware of it. . .
even because such a beast cannot go unnoticed.
I think, if they don't know everything, these tricky things will pull you out.
at the time of his defense in court.
if it is true that all traces are monitored, and therefore presumably
preserved, puppy will have an appetizer to be reduced the penalty.
other thing that makes me horrified is that it was not even suspended from
society for which "destroy ships"... and, if I do not run out, they did not even withdraw his license (or equivalent) to navigate.
I hope that my suppository (without double silences... ehhhhh!!!) is wrong, but I fear it will be fine with little, this is the feeling that gave me the first magistrate that has already rejected it.

 

[Tequila]

but as it would be that it costs cruises "has no fault" : eek: you will be joking I hope.

unless the commander suddenly bounced off on the day of the shipwreck I think that an unflattering judgment on that character could be formulated well before the accident, because that is able to behave in that way, denying the evidence, dareing to report for an hour the real situation and escaping like a coward having the courage to say "yes, now I stand" then turn the butts.
I read that he ordered dinner 40 minutes after hitting the rocks. a total moron!... and the coast cruises will ask for it.

I said that the fault is not of the ship, there was no avaria or anything, but the fault of a maneuver that apparently for a few hours after I posted this message, seems to be a practice that was already performed many times in the past.
If it turns out that even the company has omitted some things will allocate it is right that they are caxxiated properly, otherwise if everything in order I do not think you can attribute them guilty for the choices of an insect.
If they take a batosta of those series maybe it will be the good time that I go also on the crossroads with only 2-300 euros.

 

[maxopus]

I think going on a cruise is one of the most difficult things you can do, a floating holiday center that to show you 4/5 sea resort devours thousands of tons of fuel without counting the monstrous costs of construction.
It's a waste of energy and resources that we can't afford soon.
ours is the society of useless.
to transport the energy we waste 30% during transport.
to drink the water we like, thousands of tir cross our country every day.
to eat the fruit not of season we get it from South America.
We spend $1,500 billion each year in arms.
we were 3.5 billion just 50 or 60 years ago, now we are 7.
How many will we be in 50 years? What will it do to live?
our children and grandchildren, where will they go to take food and energy resources to camp?
we are here to slaughter the skewer and in each of us there is a small trick that devours our lives.
how many times we give up dignity by pretending nothing and turning on the other side.
How many times for opportunism we pretend not to see the lofts and injustices.
we are destined to extinction and it is right that it is so.

 

[maxopus]

If you command the abandonment of the ship, the shipowner loses its property, which becomes a rescuer.
the shipowners stipulate contracts with the recovery companies, before abandoning the ship you must be sure that the rescuer "right" is "prossimo".
question: but has the order ever been given (officially)?
I would have a bet to make.

p.s.: who knows how many calls between "our" and the shipowner.

You make me come.
without mayday the expenses to which are they?
but it's easily unscrupulous, just the recordings of the sketch calls.

 

[MBT]

I add a couple of questions
when the ship is tilted, can you use the lifeboats on both sides or on one?
How do you know who left the ship and who didn't? do you fill out a register?
What happens (at the audience of the audience) if you order a "abandonate ship" of a ship that can actually not be abandoned?

Last... personal demand
exa, have you ever participated in the design/construction of a cruise ship, maybe of the coast?

 

[maxopus]

to your first question the answer is unfortunately not.
when the bandage exceeds 20-25° the scialuppes only descend on one side.

 

[Exatem]

is a hypothesis.. .
It is necessary to make a dispassionate calculation, between how much it costs to put it in place and how much it costs to build a new one by deducting the "voicing" of the demolition.

Could it also be (exatem will correct the error) that you can reuse for other purposes? merchants or mixed transport goods-persons?

with a metre metacentric radius? It's practically a floating ball!

I disagree. One meter is the metacentric height and not the radius. the trend today is to get a height of 1 - 1,5 meters while once it arrived also to 2,5 but the ships suffered violent transversal accelerations.

I add a couple of questions
when the ship is tilted, can you use the lifeboats on both sides or on one?
How do you know who left the ship and who didn't? do you fill out a register?
What happens (at the audience of the audience) if you order a "abandonate ship" of a ship that can actually not be abandoned?

Last... personal demand
exa, have you ever participated in the design/construction of a cruise ship, maybe of the coast?

No, of course, if you reach such high angles, you lose both sides. in fact they must be dropped before.
What do you mean a ship can't be abandoned? I didn't understand the question.

last question: no, only grey ships.. .

for those who did not understand how the stability of a parent is determined, there is this discussion:http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=229970&postcount=38about

 

[Tequila]

How do you know who left the ship and who didn't? do you fill out a register?

They will have procedures to follow, the officers taking orders from the captain will drop the strikes and then they will know the estimates of the evacuated people. then if people miss the call and the ship is sinking and you do not have the chance to go looking for them or to be able to establish if they are still alive here surely come to prom other things.

that of sketch however is that they were already on the lifeboat while there were still hundreds of people who were trying to get off the ship.

 

[Oldwarper]

conspiracy theory.

"the ship has some problem (but it's an economic problem of the company) and the coast decides to take it out by cashing the insurance.
orders to crash it on the rocks, doing damage but sustainable, but by excess of zeal destroys it. the plan previewed to order immediately the abandon the ship just available a third that would "loose in delivery" the ship as first rescuer making it lose property to the coast. The plan failed because of the damage too extensive. "

of course, entirely invented scenario, on the falsity of the conspiracy theory of titanic/olympic. How absurd and how plausible?

 

[Tequila]

conspiracy theory.

"the ship has some problem (but it's an economic problem of the company) and the coast decides to take it out by cashing the insurance.
orders to crash it on the rocks, doing damage but sustainable, but by excess of zeal destroys it. the plan previewed to order immediately the abandon the ship just available a third that would "loose in delivery" the ship as first rescuer making it lose property to the coast. The plan failed because of the damage too extensive. "

of course, entirely invented scenario, on the falsity of the conspiracy theory of titanic/olympic. How absurd and how plausible?

Mom... at the end of the month begins voyager, who knows if they will put their mouths too.

 

[maxopus]

conspiracy theory.

"the ship has some problem (but it's an economic problem of the company) and the coast decides to take it out by cashing the insurance.
orders to crash it on the rocks, doing damage but sustainable, but by excess of zeal destroys it. the plan previewed to order immediately the abandon the ship just available a third that would "loose in delivery" the ship as first rescuer making it lose property to the coast. The plan failed because of the damage too extensive. "

of course, entirely invented scenario, on the falsity of the conspiracy theory of titanic/olympic. How absurd and how plausible?

I don't believe in conspiracy theory.
I think it is likely that, when the commander communicated the fact, the company "recommended" the most cost-effective strategy.
It would be interesting to hear what the commander and the company leaders said.

 

[mariuss.r]

conspiracy theory.

"the ship has some problem (but it's an economic problem of the company) and the coast decides to take it out by cashing the insurance.
orders to crash it on the rocks, doing damage but sustainable, but by excess of zeal destroys it. the plan previewed to order immediately the abandon the ship just available a third that would "loose in delivery" the ship as first rescuer making it lose property to the coast. The plan failed because of the damage too extensive. "

of course, entirely invented scenario, on the falsity of the conspiracy theory of titanic/olympic. How absurd and how plausible?

What I ask...

on all satellite navigators there is a voice that warns you a tot of meters before (depending on speed) of the road you have to take.

It is possible that on such sophisticated ships there is not a system that warns in time (depending on speed and fishing of the ship) that the route coincides with the rocks that are marked on all marine cards?
seems almost impossible

 

[MBT]

What do you mean a ship can't be abandoned? I didn't understand the question.

I mean...
the commander orders "abandonate the ship"
it turns out then that the evacuation was not necessary, that you could solve everything with other methods (say zeal excess of the commander)
What's going on? Can there be repercussions for, say, alert?

 

[Oldwarper]

They will have procedures to follow, the officers taking orders from the captain will drop the strikes and then they will know the estimates of the evacuated people. then if people miss the call and the ship is sinking and you do not have the chance to go looking for them or to be able to establish if they are still alive here surely come to prom other things.

that of sketch however is that they were already on the lifeboat while there were still hundreds of people who were trying to get off the ship.

if everything happens "in order" and according to the procedures (what they could have done if they had alerted a few minutes after the collision) to each passenger must go to a collection area where an officer to whom the area has been assigned makes the call of the assigned passengers and starts the procedures of boarding in the strikes (or the photo-ricordo, in case of exercise :biggrin. The list is already available a few hours after boarding, since during the cruise I made the exercise was made the afternoon itself when boarding was done late in the morning (not the next day, as I heard for the tiggi'. Try to think about the hypothesis of a shipwreck the night of departure... Does it seem possible to delay this procedure? ? )

at any time they know exactly how many people are on board, each receives a badge of recognition (the "keys") that also serves in case of disembarkation after delivery (control) of the identity card. visitors boast all marked and pass the gates under strict control of the officers all equipped with badge readers. who enters and who exits (including crew) is automatically recorded. It seems absurd to me the ballet of figures of who was on board and who not, like transcription of names, since it is done all automatically at check-in on the pier boarding.

panic? unprepared? Cowardice? lack of professionalism? deliberate superficiality? only the investigation (and maybe not even that, we're in itaglia...) will tell us.

 

[Tequila]

I don't believe in conspiracy theory.
I think it is likely that, when the commander communicated the fact, the company "recommended" the most cost-effective strategy.
It would be interesting to hear what the commander and the company leaders said.

we will wait for the telephone interceptions that promptly even without consent will be made public.
among the news of the day is now the check of any other unregistered passengers as the officers had the possibility to carry on board relatives or other without the obligation they were recorded. in fact it turned out that in the cabin there was a Moldovan girl, host of an officer

 

[Oldwarper]

I mean...
the commander orders "abandonate the ship"
it turns out then that the evacuation was not necessary, that you could solve everything with other methods (say zeal excess of the commander)
What's going on? Can there be repercussions for, say, alert?

No one can question the Commander's judgment in a situation of possible danger.

Hudson's hero was also questioned by some zealous journalist, demonstrating with an engineer on a simulator that with flight data could return to the airport. Too bad that, as all pilots noted, this "engineer" was on a safe simulator in a hangar and not at 1000 meters of altitude with 150 passengers and the engines in the benches, without knowing if there is any other unmarked damage or that could intervene later, knowing that it could be your last flight. in all senses.

we say that in doubt, having on board 4200 passengers, the professionalism' constricts you to imagine the worst possible scenario (the port captain in that had mentioned it). 4200 people who blaspheme me behind because I ruined his cruise by making them a boat trip that wasn't anticipated to see crying a mother or father to whom I have killed the daughter because I thought I'd throw the foul with the bostik.

 

[Oldwarper]

I don't believe in conspiracy theory.
I think it is likely that, when the commander communicated the fact, the company "recommended" the most cost-effective strategy.
It would be interesting to hear what the commander and the company leaders said.

was a simple boutade, as pointed out.
would be the only explanation for a gesture simply imbecile.

but as Neapolitan said (and quoted in signature :biggrin "do not explain how due to misfortune what is enough to explain with stupidity."

p.s.: voyager will go to the wedding... I've seen jacobo spin with a cumbersome, gyroscopic naval unit underarm a few days ago... :biggrin::biggrin:

Can I put the copyright on it? ? ?

 

[cacciatorino]

What I ask...

on all satellite navigators there is a voice that warns you a tot of meters before (depending on speed) of the road you have to take.

I read somewhere that the commander had turned off the transponder that sends the position of the ship a few minutes before the accident, and restarted after the impact.

 

[tartufon80]

we will wait for the telephone interceptions that promptly even without consent will be made public.
among the news of the day is now the check of any other unregistered passengers as the officers had the possibility to carry on board relatives or other without the obligation they were recorded. in fact it turned out that in the cabin there was a Moldovan girl, host of an officer

Hello everyone!

I also have to ask my employer if it is possible to get into the company some "signorina" that keeps me company during the design.....che beautiful equipment that would come out! :biggrin:


jokes aside, I agree with those who say that if everything goes as it should (and the conditional ahimé is obligatory) will come out so much about this "mode" to approach the coast...... idiots!!!! :angry: