do you know cadmatic?

[MarcoBi]

a greeting to all friends of the forum of cad3d.
as from title I would like to "save" those who know this Finnish sw that I personally use for more than 10 years.
you can retrieve information and free eborowser on site www.cadmatic.com but for those who want to really deepen, they are available.
I attach a screenshot of a work session... .

See you soon.

 

[numero1]

I am the first to respond to the survey, uh how beautiful

I don't know you.

But who knows a tomorrow...

hello with sympathy:finger:

 

[MarcoBi]

I thought I could stimulate some extra curiosity among those who use sw for plants.
cadmatic stands out, in my opinion, for some peculiarities:

- very low performance loss in relation to model implementation.
- implementation and customizable database without being a computer.
- specific tools for plants
- isometric extraction module
- import-export 2d/3d autocad
- output 2d dwg
- "free" parametric modeling of the components, that is not based on std morphology set by the swhouse.
- roamer and navigation/question/management tools
- maintenance tools

and much more. .

What do you say? ?

 

[numero1]

Don't take it.

As far as I'm concerned, I can tell you that all those little things you mentioned are beautiful, but they're not exclusive to cadmatics.

Maybe with other names but the other sw have that dirty junk too:biggrin:

certain pds database (e.g.) is not easy to manage, but now there is its heir sp3d, which looks very + beautiful.
Iso extracts them all now, with pdms it is very fast.
import/export with autocad and/or microstation idem.
output 2d as above.
roamer and navigation also or you support an external program (navisworks ad es.).

So what is really innovative?
to the limit I would like to understand what you mean with specific tools for planting and maintenance tools.

regarding the "free" parametric modeling of the components, I would like to understand.
In my view it is a good thing that there is a base of departure assigned by the swhouse, but it does not have to limit you.
Do you think the other sw this isn't there or that they have it reduced?
I can model something as external and import it, or directly from the sw change the morphology, starting from the predetermined one.
in any case, this is really very pushy, and unless very special cases the forms are always the same.

bye:

 

[MarcoBi]

yes yes yes, the other sw do the same things, maybe even better, but it's all to prove.
pds or pdms that you mention, do not allow you to define a geometry outside the prototypes imposed by the swh or if you prefer from the industrial stds of reference. I understand that a gate is a gate but since many complain about the quality of the table, i.e. the representation of geometries a little more realistic, with the above-mentioned sw things are rather difficult to get (intendo parametric objects guided by dimensional table).
with cadmatic si fà and customization can be "painted". It is not a small difference, especially in environments such as stationery and/or food industry where "special" components there are many.
not to mention the parametric std components, vessels, pumps etc. that with cadmatic can be modeled with level of detail almost at level of 2d.
not least, as I said, the performance on "normal" hardware: you don't realize almost the implementation of the model and this is also worth working in sharing collaborating to a project spread and replicated worldwide via the internet.
no one claims to excavate pds, pdms or sp3d but apart from the latter, the others have considerable restrictions and, for small medium companies, all have a prohibitive cost both in terms of purchase and training.
I do not want to make a commercial discussion but only highlight the highlights of this sw.:mixed:

See you soon.

 

[numero1]

Of course it is to prove
and in any case mine is a purely technical-ludic, non-commercial speech.

However I do not see the need for such a boosted customization, as you say a gate is a gate, and to me personally it is + that sufficient to have the basic shape and the size of the outside everything (overall dimensions).
and of course the correct data, diam., type of fluid etc. etc.
similarly for tank and vessels.......
I have never heard complaints until now, even because in a detail project of 5,000 or 10,000 lines in the field, do not go to see the single valve.
Maybe exceptional for safety valves placed in points + critical.
in any case the house that builds it will then provide the data sheet and the 3d, possibly.
Perhaps the latter fact with inv. ..... to even if you talk about special plants such as paper mills and similar ..... well I made one (many years ago in 2d) and also there had not insisted + so much on certain things.

on speed... There may be cadmatic + fast, I don't know.
I don't understand what you mean when you write:

"no claim to excavate pds, pdms or sp3d but apart from the latter, the others have considerable restrictions and, for small medium companies, all have a prohibitive cost both in terms of purchase and training. "

to me it turns out that there are not such high restrictions between sp3d and others, etc. made for the price precisely, that for sp3d is very + high.
I ignore the cadmatic one.

Hi.

 

[MarcoBi]

I meant that all three cost equal but that sp3d is more "recent" than the first two.
in any case if for you the graphic dress of the final elaborate (messa in tavola 2d) is not important... ok, but you will admit that graphics help readability (especially for unused) and in any case with a more likely modeling you also make other uses.
ever try to make a pds plant? You should do it again...

See you soon.

 

[numero1]

never tried to make pds.

for me the graphic dress is important, but the basic one is + that enough also for the unused.
By the way, if they're not "inhabited" it means they don't do this job.
eventually they will do after them on the model provided by me of piping all the architectural and lights to make a plant look like a luxury villa :d

regarding pds - pdms and sp3d, I received different information.

1) do the same things
2) sp3d is better
3) sp3d coast +
4) in any case such price gap (which I do not know) is too high to be justified

Hi.

 

[saveriocad3d]

hello to everyone, where you can find a relatic manual to version 6.0.2?

 

[MarcoBi]

the user manual is only contextual in the program.
if you want more information you can get it on the cadmatic site.www.cadmatic.com or by contacting the Italian distributor (find the link on the site).

 

[Disertore]

I know him, but if I have to be honest, I would gladly do without:biggrin:

 

[MarcoBi]

I know him, but if I have to be honest, I would gladly do without:biggrin:

If you mean you'd rather go to the sea...ok, otherwise clarify...

 

[numero1]

I don't think that means that.
I think he thinks it's very negative as sw himself.

poor husband :biggrin: no one understands you.

But now I have the opportunity to see (I who do not know this sw) 2 different views.

One in favour and the other against, the debate is open:
I'm waiting for you.

Hi.

 

[MarcoBi]

I don't think that means that.
I think he thinks it's very negative as sw himself.

poor husband :biggrin: no one understands you.

But now I have the opportunity to see (I who do not know this sw) 2 different views.

One in favour and the other against, the debate is open:
I'm waiting for you.

Hi.

dear number1, I don't need to make me understand.
If someone suffers from using cadmatics, it has nothing to explain (to all the interested) the reasons and no one will try to change his mind.
If, however, in this forum we want to talk about cad, the jokes are there, but ultimately reducing everything to the joke seems unprofessional.
Of course this sw can interest those who really do business with industrial plants at a certain level.
"users" jumping from sw to sw, and after three days they think they can make comparisons and "proves on the road" are easily "sengaged".
but with concrete discussions, no typhus.
See you soon. .

 

[Disertore]

If you mean you'd rather go to the sea...ok, otherwise clarify...

We say that going to the sea would prefer it anyway, regardless of every sw:biggrin: :biggrin:

my criticism is only that coming from pds and tekla I find it not practical, too turbulent also to do very simple things, and too many buttons to make the most banal snaps type medium point etc....

as I think other colleagues apart from someone who was born and raised with cadmatic and who does not have comparisons find it perfect. I don't want to say that the sw is not valid, I'm just saying that it's like they ask you to digest a rock :biggrin:

 

[MarcoBi]

I think you still have to practice... How long have you been using it?
cadmatic snaps are the most useful and functional thing there is.. maybe you don't use them properly? the average point, if I understand what you mean, do it with g and two points in space, selectable for example with e. do a median point between two entities in space is not trivial. many sw do not do it (transparent within the command).
On the other hand, I can tell you that I, in the first weeks of use, had some problems but it is normal because every sw has its own philosophy of use that must somehow assimilate.
Once acquired the manual becomes extremely functional and powerful.

 

[numero1]

dear number1, I don't need to make me understand.
If someone suffers from using cadmatics, it has nothing to explain (to all the interested) the reasons and no one will try to change his mind.
If, however, in this forum we want to talk about cad, the jokes are there, but ultimately reducing everything to the joke seems unprofessional.
Of course this sw can interest those who really do business with industrial plants at a certain level.
"users" jumping from sw to sw, and after three days they think they can make comparisons and "proves on the road" are easily "sengaged".
but with concrete discussions, no typhus.
See you soon. .

I don't see who cut it all to a joke, beyond a few jokes.
I can't say anything not knowing it, and indeed according to what you say, who deals with plants at a certain level (i.e. I to e.g.) should be interested.

That is what we have to say to the other point of view.

I don't know about deserter, and I don't know what experience he has, but his sw list is very similar to mine, so if he says he's sniper.....

on the other hand I while using pds until a short time ago (for years) I do not remember + how many times I pulled down the saints, pds is a great program but if you decide to plant yourself, and to me it happened, there is no archival that hold.
the cursed db oracle has its own logic, and besides pds begins to resent the age....... but deserter appreciates it, and this amazes me not little.

This is what I want to attend to, a fruitful and civil debate, between 2 different bells to make my opinion.

Bye to resent

 

[cadmau3d]

Hi.
have you tried cadworx 2013 with autocad 2012?
cadworx interfaces with smart plant 3d, so many companies with smart plant material and date export cadworx tubing classes.

intergraph cadworx plant professional in the license has the following modules
• intelligent autocad-based 3d piping design
• specification-driven design
• steel modeling and drawing creation (exports / import : cis/2, caesar ii, or robobat)
• equipment 3d (integration with pvelite, for the calculation of tanks and heat exchangers)
• isogen (motor alias intergraph)
• intelligent pipe support module
• collision checking
• ducting/cable trays
• model - p&id synchronization
• links to stress analysis (caesar ii)
• database links (access, sql server, oracle)
• piping discontinuity checker
• p&id

• cadworx design review
http://www.intergraph.com/global/eu/go/cadworx.aspx cation

Cad

 

[MarcoBi]

Hi.
have you tried cadworx 2013 with autocad 2012?
cadworx interfaces with smart plant 3d, so many companies with smart plant material and date export cadworx tubing classes.

intergraph cadworx plant professional in the license has the following modules
• intelligent autocad-based 3d piping design
• specification-driven design
• steel modeling and drawing creation (exports / import : cis/2, caesar ii, or robobat)
• equipment 3d (integration with pvelite, for the calculation of tanks and heat exchangers)
• isogen (motor alias intergraph)
• intelligent pipe support module
• collision checking
• ducting/cable trays
• model - p&id synchronization
• links to stress analysis (caesar ii)
• database links (access, sql server, oracle)
• piping discontinuity checker
• p&id

• cadworx design review
http://www.intergraph.com/global/eu/go/cadworx.aspx cation

Cad

I also saw the new volkswagen: beautiful.

 

[OOTB]

Hi.
have you tried cadworx 2013 with autocad 2012?
cadworx interfaces with smart plant 3d, so many companies with smart plant material and date export cadworx tubing classes.

intergraph cadworx plant professional in the license has the following modules
• intelligent autocad-based 3d piping design
• specification-driven design
• steel modeling and drawing creation (exports / import : cis/2, caesar ii, or robobat)
• equipment 3d (integration with pvelite, for the calculation of tanks and heat exchangers)
• isogen (motor alias intergraph)
• intelligent pipe support module
• collision checking
• ducting/cable trays
• model - p&id synchronization
• links to stress analysis (caesar ii)
• database links (access, sql server, oracle)
• piping discontinuity checker
• p&id

• cadworx design review
http://www.intergraph.com/global/eu/go/cadworx.aspx cation

Cad

This honestly seems to me like an intergraph spotton... Among other things it is not true that smartplant material and reference data can export for cadworx, it seems to me that the only solution at the moment is the puma of the computer line that interfaces with different 3d modelers, we use it for pdms.

we had a demo of cadmatics in our offices and I must say that I liked very much, especially the ease of use (it is true that in a demo it is different from then use it really) at the moment though not having a generator of specifications is not an option for us, told me their commercial but that those of the puma are working on us and that in a few months they will produce the specifications and the catalog that for the cadmatic.