Parametric_Ozzy
Guest
no but what we would miss, I only carry my experience with some advice that I believe there are useful and completely free.
In any case it is premature to talk about it, first you have to make a structure.:wink:
In any case it is premature to talk about it, first you have to make a structure.:wink:
linch
Guest
but in fact it was the sense of my proposal.
the responsible "pm", at least in the current state, should be the holder of the study that acquires the contract.
I don't see who else could effectively replace him in his assignment.
It is certainly the person who spends his credibility towards the client, therefore has all the interest that all external collaborators (the network) have all the information necessary for the fulfillment of their work in the times and ways anticipated.
He's definitely gonna be an expert in the field he can address.
Matteo
Guest
may interest:
Er Presidente
Guest
You can see that they already know what to do with them and who to "get them", but if it's important, I have the idea and the project.
greetings
Matteo
Guest
the road is long... Let's see if we can create a network, then a working group, maybe a consortium.. and then we will see if to pull out a common project.
linch
Guest
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may interest:
quote:
contributions for research and development in lombardia
up to the next 23 November it is possible to ask questions to the region lombardia to apply on a state-regional fund (available 118 mln euro put in equal parts from region and state) for projects in research and development in the following sectors:
- agri-food
- aerospace
- sustainable building
- automotive
- energy, renewable and assimilate sources
- biotechnology
- stroke.
- advanced materials (or new materials)
- fashion and design
- precision mechanics, metallurgy and instrumental goods
eligible expenditure
investments must be included between 500 thousand euros and 2 million euros:
(a) personal expenses;
b) depreciation costs related to machinery and equipment;
c) costs of contractual research, technical skills and patents for up to 30% of total eligible expenditure;
(d) other operating costs, directly linked to the realization of the r&s project, for a maximum of 30% of the total eligible expenditure;
(c) additional general expenditure arising directly from the r&s project for up to 10% of the total eligible expenditure incurred by each partner
r&s projects must be initiated after submitting the application. facilitated projects must be carried out within 24 months of the granting of public aid.
beneficiaries
compound partnerships alternatively from:
a) at least 3 pmi;
b) at least 2 pmi associated with at least one of the following subjects:
i. large enterprises;
Ii. research bodies, including scientific research institutes (irccs)
I think we should take this opportunity seriously.
could be the glue to direct our knowledge around a single initial project.
may interest:
quote:
contributions for research and development in lombardia
up to the next 23 November it is possible to ask questions to the region lombardia to apply on a state-regional fund (available 118 mln euro put in equal parts from region and state) for projects in research and development in the following sectors:
- agri-food
- aerospace
- sustainable building
- automotive
- energy, renewable and assimilate sources
- biotechnology
- stroke.
- advanced materials (or new materials)
- fashion and design
- precision mechanics, metallurgy and instrumental goods
eligible expenditure
investments must be included between 500 thousand euros and 2 million euros:
(a) personal expenses;
b) depreciation costs related to machinery and equipment;
c) costs of contractual research, technical skills and patents for up to 30% of total eligible expenditure;
(d) other operating costs, directly linked to the realization of the r&s project, for a maximum of 30% of the total eligible expenditure;
(c) additional general expenditure arising directly from the r&s project for up to 10% of the total eligible expenditure incurred by each partner
r&s projects must be initiated after submitting the application. facilitated projects must be carried out within 24 months of the granting of public aid.
beneficiaries
compound partnerships alternatively from:
a) at least 3 pmi;
b) at least 2 pmi associated with at least one of the following subjects:
i. large enterprises;
Ii. research bodies, including scientific research institutes (irccs)
I think we should take this opportunity seriously.
could be the glue to direct our knowledge around a single initial project.
Meccbell
Guest
if it is for that, always from lombardy region, there is also the program of the ergon call, which also addresses networks and aggregations of enterprises and has the advantage of having a much lower access threshold (50.000 €).
the call is open until 21 November 2011.
However, attention: both the above, and the ergon call for an indispensable requirement that the aggregation of the participating enterprises was formalized before the submission of the application and also the applicants must undertake to carry out in any case the investments under the application for relief.
to scans of "equinoxes" it is always useful to keep in mind that the thing works in such a way that the money comes from the paying agency only on returns of expenses already incurred and not on simple estimates of expenditure.
so you have to be very careful, because if you commit yourself you must also be ready to take the risk that you have to pay "the accounts" several months before receiving the contributions and this could be a "detail" not negligible.
In addition, if, for reasons the most varied, it is decided not to implement in full the project submitted with the application, or it goes out with the times, going beyond the maximum threshold provided by the call, the dismissing entity "will scale" the contribution in proportion to the percentage of the project actually realized.
Therefore, the bands and various contributions are welcome, but be careful to evaluate them well and above all to choose such projects as to be within the reach of those who participate.
also because, once the application is submitted, then it is no longer possible to access other bands or facilities, both regional, state or ue, and therefore the risk of being "set up".
the call is open until 21 November 2011.
However, attention: both the above, and the ergon call for an indispensable requirement that the aggregation of the participating enterprises was formalized before the submission of the application and also the applicants must undertake to carry out in any case the investments under the application for relief.
to scans of "equinoxes" it is always useful to keep in mind that the thing works in such a way that the money comes from the paying agency only on returns of expenses already incurred and not on simple estimates of expenditure.
so you have to be very careful, because if you commit yourself you must also be ready to take the risk that you have to pay "the accounts" several months before receiving the contributions and this could be a "detail" not negligible.
In addition, if, for reasons the most varied, it is decided not to implement in full the project submitted with the application, or it goes out with the times, going beyond the maximum threshold provided by the call, the dismissing entity "will scale" the contribution in proportion to the percentage of the project actually realized.
Therefore, the bands and various contributions are welcome, but be careful to evaluate them well and above all to choose such projects as to be within the reach of those who participate.
also because, once the application is submitted, then it is no longer possible to access other bands or facilities, both regional, state or ue, and therefore the risk of being "set up".
maxopus
Guest
Here I am, I was on a trip for a week and I went back Monday night.
Excuse me for the delay
.
I attach a document of 3 pages that we will need as a basis for discussion.
do all your considerations/criticals.
tell me the missing data in the document table and prepare the data on company size.
when we go to process sensitive data we will pass to the reserved section of the forum.
Excuse me for the delay
.I attach a document of 3 pages that we will need as a basis for discussion.
do all your considerations/criticals.
tell me the missing data in the document table and prepare the data on company size.
when we go to process sensitive data we will pass to the reserved section of the forum.
Matteo
Guest
thanks to maxopus for the commitment in this initiative.Here I am, I was on a trip for a week and I went back Monday night.
Excuse me for the delay
I attach a document of 3 pages that we will need as a basis for discussion.
do all your considerations/criticals.
tell me the missing data in the document table and prepare the data on company size.
when we go to process sensitive data we will pass to the reserved section of the forum.
the document is very interesting:finger:
I allow myself to attach a second proposal, more agile (now you know that my point of view is to start from a very simple structure and idea, at least at first).
for sensitive data (including software): I think it would be appropriate to go to a reserved area of cad3d, or autonomous than the forum.
Tequila
Guest
for maxopus:
I'll send you here to put in what I do. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=235970&postcount=259as software use solid edge, but obviously I do not license my personal
I'll send you here to put in what I do. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=235970&postcount=259as software use solid edge, but obviously I do not license my personal
maxopus
Guest
I thank you for your contribution and there is a point I would like to discuss your proposal:- exclusion of manufacturing companies (possible conflicts with customers)It is clear that we do not offer ourselves as suppliers of plants or products in the broad sense, we do not have the will and characteristics to carry out such activities.
However, there are situations where the customer asks you a key service in the hands of his request.
For example, in the field where I operate the customer may require laser scanning, cad model, abs prototype and/or wood/aluminum foundry model for ground castings.
Why should I exclude these items in the formulation of the offer if I have the opportunity to offer this service?
for example ip design deals with rapid prototyping from a lifetime and I would hate not to offer customer service if this requires me.
shiren is a person of great experience in the modelling industry and it would be a shame not to offer the customer complete service.
It is clear that this does not always happen and that the customer can have its suppliers dealing with this but... where required I would not pull myself out.
What can really make us competitive, and can be a great advantage over the current situation, is the ability to set up a group that can provide answers to customer questions.
if the customer has a problem (or question) you must be able to give him an answer able to raise him from the management of 3/4 suppliers.
the customer has a problem and we must be able to give him an answer... not 3 or 4.
for the moment is everything.
Matteo
Guest
You are right, in fact an activity like ipdesign I consider it closer to the services than to the manufacturing company.
for shieren instead I know only his competence, I do not know what kind of activity he carries out, but we suggest that he has a company that produces molds: no problem in being a partner he as a consultant, differentiating him from the company.
maxopus
Guest
shiren works in the field of modelling (which I know) and this is a sector closely connected to ours.
think of the automotive and motorcycling sectors... do you know what it means to achieve scans, modeling is mockup for companies like lamborghini, cnh or piaggio group?
are very interesting orders and put together we can give solutions that are currently there.
think of the automotive and motorcycling sectors... do you know what it means to achieve scans, modeling is mockup for companies like lamborghini, cnh or piaggio group?
are very interesting orders and put together we can give solutions that are currently there.
Matteo
Guest
Of course it's interesting! I don't think it's easy to handle: with reference to "proposal-2" is more a "second part" speech, so after consolidating a simpler idea.
maxopus
Guest
It's easier than you think, there's a lot of work from the modeling point of view.
behind a motorcycle model there is work for 8-10 people for a whole year (excluding motor, gearbox and suspension) ... let's say:smile:.
I have the skills and knowledge (I am unmoved) but, I don't have the numbers to do it.
If we put together 8-10 pro/e modelers, we burn the ground under the feet to several people. :smile:
I am willing to teach the profession, if I find people willing, awake and correct.
linch
Guest
max and matteo, first of all my compliments as you have shown and proposed, will be an excellent reference from which to start.
However, allowing us to be able to form compatible groups for technical and cultural knowledge, how do we at least get over at first the incompatibility of software?
Is it not a problem for me recently? Are we sure how much market can really solve the problem in the future?
However, allowing us to be able to form compatible groups for technical and cultural knowledge, how do we at least get over at first the incompatibility of software?
Is it not a problem for me recently? Are we sure how much market can really solve the problem in the future?
Matteo
Guest
. is one of the problems: In fact, at least initially I do not think of works carried out "in paralello", at the most in series.
maxopus
Guest
We must meet to meet and discuss it, this is one of the most important points.
I do the devil's lawyer and throw on the table possible problems that we will meet.
situation n° 1) the customer wants jobs made with solidedge/solidworks/ and I do not have licenses.
I'm on my side and they're gonna work on those licenses.
situation n° 2) the customer wants a sea of work done with inventor and the available licenses are few.
Are you using any facilities and/or funding and are you buying the licenses you need and do training?
Are external resources used to carry out work?
You refuse the job?
situation n° 3) to the customer does not give a damn about the tool used to realize the work, it is enough dwg/dxf and prints in pdf.
It's a 10,000-hour job to develop in six months.
What do you do?
Suppose we accept the job.
What will be the reference cad?
In the light of this, training will be required.
to you comments.
maxopus
Guest
I invite you to indicate which cad you have, how many licenses and with which additional configurations/modules.
Do we do it here or in the reserved area?
Do we do it here or in the reserved area?
linch
Guest
I would say running in the reserved area.
By the way, as you say, we need to get to know each other better, so sensitive data will come out.