network cad3d designers in italy

[Er Presidente]

nooooooo... president... noooooooo! !
another gadget "mangiarifiuti" nooooooo.. .

I say why, strange (pertuated?) combination, we of mech-net are working on such a thing, even if it is an already existing and developed product (patented):mixed:, but that it needs industrialization on one side and on the other of a proper "customer park", that in specific is a little hard to acquire, since for the specific type of "coso" you have to pass for public purposes.

aho, principal, first with the electric trabiculum, now with the food... How did the character of a spaghetti western say?... ah, yes: "ok, gringo, go wherever you want, but remember that wherever you go I will always be a step ahead of you":biggrin:

I don't know.

Who gave me the phone?!? ! ? !

 

[Er Presidente]

He has the vice to keep the robber in the drawers.
Perhaps he thinks that so mature interests or that develops alone by groaning or partnogenesis :biggrin:

I have made those inculatures that instead of the dentist I go directly to the "culologist", I have come to the decision that my ideas or gifts or I bring them to the grave.

:biggrin:

 

[maxopus]

I have made those inculatures that instead of the dentist I go directly to the "culologist", I have come to the decision that my ideas or gifts or I bring them to the grave.

:biggrin:

I have to give you reason, to meet people for good is very rare.
if you look for people for good and also good, then the mission becomes almost impossible.
Who knows?

 

[Marco74]

the idea is beautiful, sin I will not be able to participate, since I am dependent and I have no licenses cad mine.

 

[radio]

great max, I really like the idea (it is strange that it has come to a terrone, it will be the fault of the hole in the ozone :biggrin, also I am convinced that the "nanism" of Italian enterprise is and will be increasingly in the future a problem.
It is true that in the past in our country there have been a myriad of small realities, and that many of them have given rise to the myth of the made in italy, the estro of the internationality and the Italian ceatività etc.; but it was other times and nowadays it is much more difficult to wake up in the morning and say: "fuck I got the idea of making a tritariff to the dwarfs of strontium, I go to the cellar I make a couple and then I sell them. "
therefore the idea of "massing" to propose in a credible way on the market.
I would also like to participate, but as others I am an employee and do not have my own means, but if the idea went to port I propose myself as "consultant" at zero cost to provide an extra idea or perhaps to the development of details or just to make two chats on a topic on which I have some kind of experience; Among other things, it would also be a way to assess candidates willing to enter the company.

I hope the project goes to port.

Bye.

 

[MBT]

Now I cannot, after I tell you an anecdote happened to myself and that is, in practice, the carbonized copy of this idea

 

[Meccbell]

already the term "carbonized copy" contains a disturbing one. : eek: :biggrin:

 

[MBT]

I had an office at that time, too.
with a partner who followed the yards and was lost in time pulling lines in the office
one day, following paths invisible to others, I stumble into a client who, satisfied by some small jobs I had done, makes me a good proposal
a nice big job... .
3-4 months full-time work stuff for 5 people, maybe even 6 not to pull your neck
and paid more than well, stuff, to accounts made, from over 40 €/hour when the average time was on 20-21
with the certainty of not being an isolated case, but the beginning of a collaboration
I know I can't do it alone, I call to collect some "trusted friends" a game iva, with whom for a long time collaborated in moments of overload
in front of a dish of ham and a couple of glasses "of the good one" I expose the project, times, earnings etc.
All excited, we'd miss it. in 3 months make turnover more than half year... I want to see!
I study and think about how to handle the work (note, we were all in the area, 30 km to the max between the two most distant) and start playing the phone.
It's one of the convoys. . .You know. I thought about it! It's interesting, but don't take it, he... but see... If I take the job you propose, for 3-4 months I have to say no to current customers and you know... you know. I don't want to burn my client park. . .
Come on. I will look for a replacement or divide his share of work among the remaining.
Too bad that others have made themselves feel, with similar motives... :frown:
and so... I had to give up work....
and the customer, of course, has been re-enter but always for small jobs. . .
lost an excellent opportunity of corporate explosion (not expansion), sacrificed on the altar of the single!

I hope the anecdote may be useful not to demoralize you, but to make you think about "what could happen". to me it happened!

 

[MFT]

It's a few days I read the post, I find it interesting.
I have no addiction problems so when things come true from a point of view of putting down rules for how to organize the consortium I might be interested.
in the meantime I follow the discussion

Thank you.

Mar

 

[Fulvio Romano]

You know. I thought about it! It's interesting, but don't take it, he... but see... If I take the job you propose, for 3-4 months I have to say no to current customers and you know... you know. I don't want to burn my client park. . .

Yeah, it happened to me, too.
small jobs always went well, then work, paid pretty well.
to me however, after moments of panic, it went well.
I asked for twice the people I really needed. I said, "we'll let you know."
When two abandoned me, and the third I kicked him out of the cube for giving me the unsub, I started to call back the people left unfinished, and I rebuilt the group.

I came out alive, with less hair, with enlarged liver, but I came out alive.

 

[Meccbell]

when I wrote that it is necessary to start thinking that from a certain day your own bowl will become smaller and the rest of the food will have to arrive from the common bowl, I meant that it is good to put together of love and agreement and perhaps swearing eternal fidelity, but attention, each at his house, with his roof over the head, and that everyone must be able to stand on their own, if anything count on others as last hope only if you should find with the water.
but no things like current customers / habits closed outside the door; No reasoning like "eh, but... If you don't spend another 150 hours of work I do this month?" etc.

we are giving us a code of behaviour, which also provides for this aspect.
Indeed, it is one of the first things to which the consultants who have followed us so far have "forced" us to think: how to reconcile each one's existing activity with that of the network and the network.
even at the suggestion of someone who's been chewing for a few years, we decided to fix a maximum percentage of work for the network compared to individual turnover.
of the type: made 100 the turnover of last year, or of the 1st semester of this year, or of last month, that little matter, it is decided that everyone will not be able to acquire orders through the network for a value greater than one x% regarding the turnover already performed independently.

or, for example: is the percentage fixed to 25%? ok, then made 100 own turnover everyone will not be able to get work from the network for more than 25.
and how will he do it? simple, it will choose if to bring down to 75 what already does now and perhaps, indeed certainly, today will be easy, as we are in crisis a little everyone, or it will discard some customers particularly "ruptured", or, solution that we all would like to adopt, will expand as productive potential.
if then a commission exceeds that percentage, then or is equally redistributed on all the surplus (admitted that everyone can do anything, but we know that it is not so), or if just the extra quid has to do one, this will know from the very beginning that the "prossimo spin" will have to do something less than the predetermined percentage.

all this leads to a number of advantages:

> prevents cannibalization of the network by someone, who acquires low-hand orders (obviously to have, of orders...), simply by making strength on factors such as too low costs, dimensions too different from others, etc.

> it is avoided that some go looking for orders that are acquired as a network, but that they know very well that they can escape only them, or only their narrow circle of "protected" within the network. because you look at that it is inevitable that you form cranes based on sympathy, way of working, sectors of belonging, etc.

> avoidance of escapes forward, of the type said by mbt, with someone who, legitimately, or does not want to deprive himself of consolidated works, or the opposite that entered the network only for a contingent need (crisis first, but also temporary unavailability of means/men), but that then as soon as the work returns and starts to turn it eclipses, leaving colleagues who might need him.

In short, immediately, we did so to study a system to implement what was just as immediately our "vision"work together to grow together

 

[Tequila]

the reasoning you do is correct.
From my point of view it should be made clear (black on white signed by all the collaborators in front of a notary), that anyone for reasons other than those agreed draws back, abandons the group during the period that there is the necessity of its presence, be forced to pay a penalty as a percentage to what damage it bears its lack.
Of course if one per loser breaks his wrists falling down the stairs and cannot collaborate this is another story.. .

 

[Matteo]

thanks to ♪ for sharing his experience that made me think a little. in my little one I have in mind a smaller project based on the concept of "network" (which is more or less the same that outlined maxopus).

the most delicate point in my opinion is how to manage the internal work passage to the network and its "competence". these my ideas for a first phase "soft" (plus a category association that a consortium: then if the thing works you can continue on the same road):

1 - entry into the "network" only with unanimity approval of members. expulsion from the network only unanimously and before payment of any annual contributions.

2 - limiting the number of members to 5-10 (intention as pervasive) avoiding contemporary overlapping (e.g. two studies that design with the same software and in the same region)

3 - limited initial investment, in common few instruments:

web portal with presentation of "soci"
template for technical relations, documents, ...
a telephone number (possibly location) of reference
advertising campaign on search engines (google and bing)
job exchange area (e.g. dropbox accessible to all)

remain active logos and denominations of individual members, which appear in the documentation next to the logo of the "network"​

4 - the service of "representation and coordination" is paid in a forfeitary and annual way (compensation established unanimously, possibly through formulation of offers from the various partners) as a consultancy service for the reimbursement of expenses (e.g. telephone, website, ...) to which the "signations" are added

5 - "signing" means the passage of works internally to the "network". in my opinion It is appropriate that the billing be borne by those who report, so as not to have the need to establish internal quotas (who signals has the interest to create a margin but at the same time can not "draw the rope" in order not to lose the job). only bond: do not compete for the offer a partner of the network with another partner of the network or an external professional (pena automatic exclusion from the network). in summary: the more the system is "self-established" and it self-governs for the principle of convergence of interests the better.6 - the member who comes out or is explused from the network is deleted from the website (useful for promotion and transparency to the customer) and can no longer use the logo of the network (which is also guarantee of quality: This is an aspect I would advertise with potential customers)

edit: there would then be the speech of responsibility: in my opinion the responsibility with the customer is of whom invoice to the customer (so also the risk of being paid late/partially). risk is rewarded by margin.

 

[Er Presidente]

...work together to grow together

The farmer lost the pig.
The storks are back.
The chicks have three legs.
The sheep sleeps.


I'm not talking to you anymore, and it's useless for me to spy on my phone, I'm only talking in Aramaic!
:smile:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

But maybe you could test this consortium with a simple design... how about a bicycle with aluminum frame?

Uh-huh.

 

[maxopus]

But maybe you could test this consortium with a simple design... how about a bicycle with aluminum frame?

Uh-huh.

You can.
and to turn a unp ? :biggrin:

 

[marcof]

You can.
and to turn a unp ? :biggrin:

You have no skills, you have no... :biggrin:

 

[Matteo]

we are always... we try to give good example at least we mod

 

[Er Presidente]

we are always... we try to give good example at least we mod

here are you mod! ha ha ha ha ha ha

p.s.: if the megagalactic director agrees, we work on waste handling, but don't talk to the keghebe they spy on me!

 

[Er Presidente]

when a certain day the bowl will become common, perhaps each with its roof over the head, counting on others as last hope only with water to the throat.
but closed outside the door; "if you don't spend this month what do I do?" etc.

we are giving a code that also foresees this aspect.

e allora?!