team center express

[The_Matrix]

boys enough with this wall against wall!!!!! the best product is that of another!:biggrin:
in any way there is no better product only a product that best meets the needs of a company, just find it!

:finger:a :finger:

 

[gtemp]

I'm just curious about which of the three teams center express, pro-file and rule designer fell the choice of red achilles.
meanwhile there was some other migration from rule designer to tcx and vice versa? ?

 

[RuleDesigner]

about the first question I think it is better to address it directly to him....
about the second to me are only "viceversa"

 

[gtemp]

I have come to my voice, founded, that the integration teamcenter express with outlook has always been free in tcx since version 3.
Thank you very much for the trade of siemens that sold me this fabulous system without this intergration that I might have been comfortable.
but there's no problem, tcx is about to end up in the forgotten, sin having lost 4 years and thrown so many kiloeuros. . .
But I'll get them back! !

 

[re_solidworks]

But I'll get them back! !

I apologize for curiosity, by what method? I don't think you got a gun when you signed the contract....

 

[gtemp]

Of course they didn't point a gun at me, but when you sign a contract and think you're buying something working, at least so they showed it to me, and then it turns out the opposite... What would you do if I were in my place? ?

 

[re_solidworks]

Of course they didn't point a gun at me, but when you sign a contract and think you're buying something working, at least so they showed it to me, and then it turns out the opposite... What would you do if I were in my place? ?

I would certainly be as opposed as you are, but it is not easy to have back the money spent if it was not all documented properly, I meant this.
in case the evidence of your specific requests must be overwhelming (written black on white in the contract) as well as it must be proven that they do not work properly and perhaps this is the minor problem.

 

[gtemp]

If you want I tell you in private what and how many problems I have with this software since the first day of its use.

 

[cacciatorino]

If you want I tell you in private what and how many problems I have with this software since the first day of its use.

But even in public, I'm going to leave the hole what you need!

 

[The_Matrix]

I have come to my voice, founded, that the integration teamcenter express with outlook has always been free in tcx since version 3.
Thank you very much for the trade of siemens that sold me this fabulous system without this intergration that I might have been comfortable.
but there's no problem, tcx is about to end up in the forgotten, sin having lost 4 years and thrown so many kiloeuros. . .
But I'll get them back! !

You're strong. .
It was free and you complain that they didn't sell it to you.
Agreed that you have so much acredine but a little seriousness and pacacity would not be bad.
and maybe don't write in case the netiquette invites you not to.
Unfortunately, given the success of teamcenter on the Italian and world market, I think you have not been well configured, or you have not explained well what you needed.
in any case you do well to change and take a more adhering pdm to your needs.
Well, it's your right to try.
in luck x your business that is the most important thing.

 

[gtemp]

I apologize for the character.
However the software is not teamcenter that from what they tell me works well, but teamcenter express or the version for pmi.
as I wrote in pre-cendence, contrary to the older brother teamcenter, this express does not have so many customers in Italy, if you are also looking on linkedin there are no groups worldwide that speak of this express, therefore difficult on its widespread diffusion.
greetings

 

[The_Matrix]

I apologize for the character.
However the software is not teamcenter that from what they tell me works well, but teamcenter express or the version for pmi.
as I wrote in pre-cendence, contrary to the older brother teamcenter, this express does not have so many customers in Italy, if you are also looking on linkedin there are no groups worldwide that speak of this express, therefore difficult on its widespread diffusion.
greetings

sound the medesima thing.

 

[gtemp]

I'm not stupid!
I don't think it's the same thing if you want me to invite you to see what's express.

 

[The_Matrix]

I'm not stupid!
I don't think it's the same thing if you want me to invite you to see what's express.

I know him. Dont worry. If I say so, I know... probably better than you, with all respect.

 

[gtemp]

I know him. Dont worry. If I say so, I know... probably better than you, with all respect.

I do not insist, you will know it better than me, I do not question it, then explain why tcx multiplies the quantities in the pse or when I leave from an existing product does not clean the pse by eliminating the starting items but overlap them to those I created?

I don't come to say that I caused the problem, I gave a lot of miles to zimenz and this is the result.

 

[The_Matrix]

I do not insist, you will know it better than me, I do not question it, then explain why tcx multiplies the quantities in the pse or when I leave from an existing product does not clean the pse by eliminating the starting items but overlap them to those I created?

I don't come to say that I caused the problem, I gave a lot of miles to zimenz and this is the result.

There are no explanations.
all the software have bachi. Maybe the version you installed, coupled to the version of integration if it had a problem and caused you multiplication.
or maybe as you used if...
or anything.
tcx 3 was aligned to tc2005... as the numbering says is a product born in 2005.
now we are at tcx 9.1, perfectly aligned to the latest version tc (9.1.1.2, exit last night).
I don't know your story and in detail the problems you had. Maybe a "unlucky" version... maybe a way to work doesn't fit.. .
Surely if the software installed in your company were evolved following the normal evolution of tcx you would have seen solved the problems.
Anyway, you made the choice, so I wish you luck with your new plm provider.
Hi.
beppe. -

 

[gtemp]

There are no explanations.
all the software have bachi. Maybe the version you installed, coupled to the version of integration if it had a problem and caused you multiplication.
or maybe as you used if...
or anything.
tcx 3 was aligned to tc2005... as the numbering says is a product born in 2005.
now we are at tcx 9.1, perfectly aligned to the latest version tc (9.1.1.2, exit last night).
I don't know your story and in detail the problems you had. Maybe a "unlucky" version... maybe a way to work doesn't fit.. .
Surely if the software installed in your company were evolved following the normal evolution of tcx you would have seen solved the problems.
Anyway, you made the choice, so I wish you luck with your new plm provider.
Hi.
beppe. -

I'm sorry, but I'm sorry.
I can agree that the software has the trunks, but the supplier must make sure before making me spend money that the system works properly, so it must test the software a priori.
solid edge, as in the rest tcx we use it as explained by his colleagues, I do not come to speak of unfortunate version, but as unfortunate, I pay fior of kili of euro and you sell me an unfortunate version.
What's not the way? apro-job-saving and closing is a way not consono? ? ?
and then, why should I have evolved software?? Why should I be obliged to follow the evolution of your softaware?? If I am well with this version of if and it takes me this version of tcx, why should I give you more money to be evolved?
but did not evolve versions pay for good or not? Then those should work too! !
That's exactly what I don't take of you zimenz, that the fault is always the customer, you're not infallible.

p.s. curiosity but from version 5 you went directly to version 9? Did the others lose them on the street? ?

 

[The_Matrix]

I'm sorry, but I'm sorry.
I can agree that the software has the trunks, but the supplier must make sure before making me spend money that the system works properly, so it must test the software a priori.
solid edge, as in the rest tcx we use it as explained by his colleagues, I do not come to speak of unfortunate version, but as unfortunate, I pay fior of kili of euro and you sell me an unfortunate version.
What's not the way? apro-job-saving and closing is a way not consono? ? ?
and then, why should I have evolved software?? Why should I be obliged to follow the evolution of your softaware?? If I am well with this version of if and it takes me this version of tcx, why should I give you more money to be evolved?
but did not evolve versions pay for good or not? Then those should work too! !
That's exactly what I don't take of you zimenz, that the fault is always the customer, you're not infallible.

p.s. curiosity but from version 5 you went directly to version 9? Did the others lose them on the street? ?

Dear Storm.
She can dissent as long as she wants, but with reality this does not apply.
software of any complexity have problems and not all can be detected during testing.
corrections then, by force of things, cannot be "clean", but are implemented in the various versions (major or minor) later.
teamcenter express lost the numbering "his" to adopt that of his brother teamcenter. being the same product is logical (in the end, tcx is tc that only runs on windows platform and that has some possibility of customization in less and some customization (workflow, release states, items, form) in more).

I don't say we're infallible. there are more "stored" versions and more "lucky". of nx, of which I am more experienced I can tell you that (by making a comparison with the vintages of wines):
- ug v16: excellent
- ug v17: bad
- ug v18: good
- nx1: good
- nx2: discreet
- nx3: excellent
- nx4: discreet
- nx5: excellent
- nx6: discreet
- nx7: bad
- nx7.5: excellent
- nx8: good
We'll see... :tongue:
Then... what does "very bad" mean "discreet" "good" "good"?
Maybe I see 1000 clients judge a version in a way... for a given customer using 1/100 of the available functions, it could be a completely different feeling... put a version having a big kiss on the cam. a cam user judges it bad a cad/cae user maybe has a diametrically opposite idea.

... it happens to us of siemens. .
... even happens to colossi as microsoft: windows view? windows xp-64? some examples.. .
... happens to ibm: who remembers os/2?
... happens to mercedes: who remembers the class at which it was overturned or the class and pativates the electromagnetic fields?
... it happens to bmw: who remembers the second series of 3ers that did not keep the road?
... happens to fiat: who remembers the stylus and all the problems of electronics?
... it happens to vw: the first generation common rail tdi split the head every 80.000 km
... happens to oracle: the first v9 had problems such that they withdrawn it from the market and then came the v10
... it happens to apple and I could move on as much as you want.

you can't say "I want you to mia version functions in front of a kiss." in the software you cannot correct yours version. You need to upgrade. in cad, pdm, operating systems, smartphones

Anyway, good luck. :finger:

 

[marcof]

you can't say "I want you to mia version functions in front of a kiss." in software can not correct yours version. You need to upgrade. in cad, pdm, operating systems, smartphones

in fact, correct the kiss and send me the correction thus repairing the kissed version that was sold for good. then when you have put the trunks in place and the version is stable release the new (and you start again with the basins) and give the user the stable version the ability to work until you want it with a product that works. the euro of the transfers that are made you work very well, do not forget it.
try to think if faced with kissed software they paid you the salary with a part of euros in turn kissed.. .

But I understand that now this logic of releasing products that work, but also not, has become established practice for the precise planning in this sense of software houses that write licensing agreements putting black on white that software can work. . but also not.

Sooner or later, I'm sure, there will be some judge who will put you in line or, alternatively, with his butt on the ground. :smile:

 

[gtemp]

in fact, correct the kiss and send me the correction thus repairing the kissed version that was sold for good. then when you have put the trunks in place and the version is stable release the new (and you start again with the basins) and give the user the stable version the ability to work until you want it with a product that works. the euro of the transfers that are made you work very well, do not forget it.
try to think if faced with kissed software they paid you the salary with a part of euros in turn kissed.. .

But I understand that now this logic of releasing products that work, but also not, has become established practice for the precise planning in this sense of software houses that write licensing agreements putting black on white that software can work. . but also not.

Sooner or later, I'm sure, there will be some judge who will put you in line or, alternatively, with his butt on the ground. :smile:

attention, that they are not dumb to send you and install the upgrade to free, the dvd of the new release comes to you, if you are in maintenance, but then for the installation comes also the estimate of spending for the working days of the technician, a beautiful ripped of euros..., and so the homo campa... .