do you know cadmatic?

[gricozzi]

Good morning.

Sorry I'm late, but in the past few days I've been robbing my laptop with obvious repercussions. ..frown:

on conversion I immediately explain that there are 2 distinct approaches: as service; as a software solution. the two approaches are distinct and observance of the two to advantages and disadvantages. e.g. the service has a lower cost if we talk about a one-time or repayment activity, while the software is a suitable solution in case you have to act in such a way. I think it is clear that knowing how to offer the service is not automatically convertible to offering a solution. ..in fact, the second option provides for the development of an interface that allows you to make every time the necessary mappings between the two libraries...this is because an intelligent conversion predicts that each object looks native to the solution in which you will work or that you will have to provide.
e.g. if I have to import a model pds/pdms in cadmatic to control engineering and then make any modification it may not even be necessary to convert with a converter or request a service but it can be enough to use our solution exchanger for pds/pdms and find a model with all geometries and all attributes.. . Just a few minutes and... little money! What's different is if you have to make a pattern back.

As for naviswork, I would like to clarify that any navigator provides compatibility with the formats that it supports, the thing that I can't understand is because a non-compatible ' of a x navigator is charged to the cadmatic, we can provide info to load cadmatic models (the 3dd files are fine and are of ascii) or to generate ebrowser models (the epiublisher is downloadable from the site)

As soon as I'm in the office, I'll send you an example, just let me know what kind of plant you prefer! Otherwise I choose!

for info sst use and infoplant india are the "society society" (I know them very well) and are doing a great job with cadmatic-pdms, for honor of seriousness, I think that on pds they have nothing.

 

[numero1]

iso: types of plant

(1) power
2) petrochemical
3) nuclear power

1 iso for every type, if possible, thanks.

 

[telecad]

Good evening,
thank you for the exhaustive answer: I wait for him too.
please do not "sample", thank you.

 

[gricozzi]

I apologize for the delay but I'll be in the office on Monday, and so I'll be able to send examples...for the requested isos I confirm that I will send real examples, for the duty of fairness I immediately tell you that for the nuclear sector I will not send you an example... as you can imagine it is a sector that is particularly bound to secrecy and therefore in the (after) cases where it has been used we have never seen the documents issued. for power and petrochemical there is no problem instead! :finger:

 

[telecad]

good day gricozzi,

for me can also post a iso of plumbing please, however, in order to better appreciate its sw, to take the extraction that cadmatic generates automatically without that it was "adjusted" by hand before the output or after in autocad.

Thank you.

 

[telecad]

...who can tell me who to turn to for cadmatic sects (iso plants )? I did not understand if cadmatic is or is not really configurable as pdms, pds. if there is someone who works with this sw and manages to extract isometrics not to "add" by hand after the extraction to make them presentable, I would ask him to give me info about it (also with private message).
Thank you.

 

[telecad]

good day gricozzi,
but you do not write that you would post the example iso that cadmatic generates automatically without putting your hands on it? If you want I can post the "iso" of cadmatics as it was set (to which you must first devote time to understand what it has generated and then you have to find a way to make it readable by recollecting one to one all the elements of the dress) so that the other users can comment. I may be the one who cannot appreciate the iso extracted in a certain way.. or that you can improve your settings... or more of this can not be expected and must be adjusted every time by hand... I don't know, but I'd like to see something more.

 

[MarcoBi]

..if you want I can post the "iso" of cadmatics as it was set (to which you must first devote some time to understand what it has generated and then you must find a way to make it readable by recollecting one to one all the elements of the garment) so that the other users can comment. I may be the one who cannot appreciate the iso extracted in a certain way.. or that you can improve your settings... or more of this can not be expected and must be adjusted every time by hand... I don't know, but I'd like to see something more.

question: in pdms did you settaggio alone or did the system administrator? maybe even for cadmatics you need someone who most experienced guides you in the correct setting (n° maximum elements on a iso, text/labels parameters, macros and customization scripts. etc.
as already mentioned the variables that affect the correct extraction of the isometric are many and it is also said that, if for business reasons, too much information is added (spool number, welds, valve tags etc.) it is necessary to reduce the number of components displayed (increasing the fractionation of the isometric and the number of sheets) to obtain the right compromise of readability and automation of the extraction process.
think of getting isometrics with a considerable amount of information, double list of materials (prefabricated and mnonated), references, spools, numbering and counting welds, indication of the dye on the isometric, continuations, elevations, wp, tags valves and tools and more yet requires optimisation that an expert user can also do with custom macros and scripts for your company.

 

[telecad]

good day marcobi,
Thanks for the answer. I share everything you wrote, but the real problem is not about the amount of information you want to view, but their autotagging. the positioning is inguardable (I think it is better that I attach some iso so we understand immediately. when in my previous post I wrote that with tube curve tube the hysso had to be adjusted I was referring precisely to the positioning on the cartilage. I explain better: tags often cover (e.g. line name that perzially covers the tube's baloon, a soldering covering another tag and indicates a point that stands from all over) but what really makes the lines (which indicate the element) that intertwine with each other. then once you extract the meeting place to have (in the browser) move and remove the information."question: in pdms did you settaggio alone or did the system administrator? " I'm a modeler."maybe even for cadmatic you need someone more experienced"You're right! but according to who did the sects "it's normal" that cadmatic generates the iso with the info shot to cabbage and that after you have to enter the local edit window to reposition the tags. marcobi, but does it seem normal to you something like that?
So I'm looking for someone who has a great mastery of cadmatic settings."...it is also said that, if for business reasons, too much information is added (spool number, welds, valve tags etc.) it is necessary to reduce the number of components displayed (increasing the fractionation of the isometric and the number of sheets) to obtain the right compromise of readability and automation of the extraction process. "marcobi, from an iso (automatic extract) you do not expect the moon, but at least welds, valve tags, line name, elevation, continuation... you think, the tie rods come out but in this way: the size in the drawing area near the flange(??????) and only the tag inside the cartiglio but you don't understand which "bolts" of the iso reference. by the way already that we are, is it normal that the tie rods are displayed in this way or according to you can do as other sw do, that is to have near the flanges the classic three numeretti and in the cartiglio their correspondence " flange, gasket, bolt"?
"...and more requires optimisation that a user expert can also do with custom macros and scripts for your company. "Who? Can you do that? Do you know anyone? If you can contact me in private, you'd give me a big courtesy.
hello and good day

 

[telecad]

Good morning,
nice gricozzi me and other users of the forum are waiting for you to see the isometrics now for a month (in two days). Is it possible to have an answer? As for me it can take the first printed isometric that finds around the office, folds the part of the cartilage, scans and away.
I am also waiting for the answer of marcobes to which I asked if he is able to set the iso to extract them as he says without putting hand (magari).
while I wasn't turning my thumbs and I found a video of the cadmatic in which the product is presented, the driving voice in English (and not in Japanese) clearly explains how you can get the extraction of plants and iso graphically in place with the automatic annotation function (and not by hand). What you see in the video is far light years from what I can extract. .
link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1314656419964moving the timeline cursor to 4:40 you see routing, plants and isometrics. At this point I have a brilliant idea: model the same things as the video, I try to extract the iso and then I compare them. done this, if the video corresponds to the real (and I think so) I have to find someone who knows how to get the same results. It is not possible that the iso should be hand-adjusted one by one! I would also like to have the opinion of Marcobi who had written "give your inexperience..." ( referring to me). waiting for someone to show up...
greetings

 

[gricozzi]

I apologize for having to respond franticly but I'm on the road... as always!

I will shortly send the required isometrics, which come from our customers...I in fact do not have on the desk any isometrics not following an engineering activity but being a commercial!

on your comments let me ask you some info to align myself:
how long does cadmatic use?
Did you take courses? in case what?
had administrative experience on other cad systems?

from his answers will be easier for me to understand the situation and try to solve it in the best possible way!

thanks and I greet you.. .

 

[telecad]

Good day, Mr. Gricozzi,
I thank you for the answer. You want to align? Let’s make an example: apart from the graphic aspect, there are other small things that do not return. for example to date the total weights of the materials in the iso do not come out (if anything tomorrow yes, but today no): according to you this is to attribute to the modeler and his experience in using cadmatics with or without course? And then I wonder: cadmatic is sold without configurations (prorpio because completely customizable ) or with a minimum of standard settings? i.e: the extracts that you see in the video refer to a cadmatic with standard settings or set ad hoc for presentation?
see kind Mr. gricozzi, it is as if I, after the purchase of a piano, complained about the keys that enchanted and seller asked me: “But how long has she been playing the plan of this brand?” r: “just now, I play and the key is enchanted” . v: “Has she experienced mechanical recording on other pianos? “R:” of course not, I am not an tuner. which part of ‘I play 'Is it not clear? why does my keyboard not respond to the touch like the one on display? “So I’m doing with cadmatic: why aren’t my iso equal to those of the video? She is a commercial and does not have an example at hand; but excuse when presenting the product what shows the customer, only 3d images and plants? must wait for customers... but where does she work there are no modelers, administrators to ask to open a moment an example project and make an extraction?
Good day

 

[MarcoBi]

Hello telecad,
at the moment I am in vacation but intrigued by the tone of his posts (see that indirectly I quote) and waiting for the gricozzi placed the isometrics of example (I could post them myself but I do not want to intrude) I would like to clarify:

- the other sw are also affected by customizations and their std configuration is not always acceptable to the customer. For example, alias settings regarding isogen can also be complex for those who are not using sw configurations and customizations. I do not find that std settings for other sw meet the needs of any customer as the software house know very well that it is impossible to provide a configuration std that also results in a good compromise for all specializations in piping.

- also in cadmatic to get "what you want" is sometimes used to customizations with dedicated macros. but, if I understand well from the tones of his posts, he complains that "the weight doesn't come out in the column of materials", well then we're a little behind even the std base of cadmatic. :mixed:
I believe that you lack some information on the database, in the dimensional tables (weight) or in some customization routines. like all high-end sw, also cadmatic has numerous settings and customization possibilities. Moreover being a particularly "open" sw lends itself to custom configurations from the customer and it would not be functional to have a std setting when for example the geometry (also at the symbol level for the isometric) can be customized by the customer. This is, I believe, one of the reasons why cadmatic does not care to provide a basic std with special settings.
regarding the example he did, tube-curva-tubo and its isometric extracted automatically, the repositioning of any tags (position, inication soldering or spooling or other overlapping with other annotation entities or geometry itself) is normally done in the chart within the pipe module. the operation as yes, with a correct setting, takes away a few minutes and is not always necessary (depending on the complexity of the isometric, imported geometries and the info present on it).

See you soon.

 

[telecad]

Hello marcobi,
Thanks for the answer. I have to make a statement: regarding weights I refer to the "total weight" and not to the weight of the seingles components. but I understand that cadmatic gentlemen are working on it and I add that they are very helpful in supporting the team that is working on the project. but still there are many other things that are not the responsibility of the modeler but concern the admin user part and I as I have already written several times I am a modeler and not a system administrator.
For example, if a line breaks on the flange, the seal is counted once but the two tie rods: both in the first skecth and in the next one where the line continues. It is true that it will be solved, but if these small problems are not part of the "standard" settings that nothing has to do with the customization macros, then what is the standard? kind marcobi, can you open iso for iso to eliminate excess dyes? No, because they're gonna do it, okay. but then return to the question before: cadmatic is sold without the most elementary form of customization why every admin if the "system" according to the needs and those of the customer, or a minimum (what I say "standard") anyway there is?
greetings

 

[MarcoBi]

. .
For example, if a line breaks on the flange, the seal is counted once but the two tie rods: both in the first skecth and in the next one where the line continues. It is true that it will be solved, but if these small problems are not part of the "standard" settings that nothing has to do with the customization macros, then what is the standard?
greetings

I don't think this story about the two isometrics is exactly like that. I believe instead that the indication of the tie rods is correctly reported on the two isometrics but not counted twice at material level. try to check if there is actually double count. in any case also the indication of the tiranti in correspondence of the couplings (parlo in the graphic area) is not the std but already falls into a customization. :finger:

Say hi.

 

[telecad]

kind marcobi,
thank you for the answer, perhaps your iso come out as you say: Not mine. I confirm what I wrote, you have to cancel the double tie. greetings

 

[numero1]

just to add meat to the fire....... I have recovered my old iso, and I have brought it in pdf so that it is readable by all, and of course I have blown up all its references, even too many perhaps :biggrin:
I want to point out that I made 2 steps from native autocad format, because I wanted to put the dwg file and then later I preferred the pdf.
in any case, this is the situation, my iso of the time came out like this, without any further touches.
I have to see if I have an iso with flanges, but in memory the count of the tirants was as it said rotten.
even if to obtain this result the ns. admin of the epoch has had to do the...... :frown:
greetings

 

[telecad]

number1, thanks for the comment,
in its iso there is no information or quotas that occur or cross, while in most of the iso that I extract now I still have this problem ( today not throughout the line, but first yes). As for the tie rods, if I break the line on the flange couple I find myself a seal on a sketch put the symbol and the material of the tie rods I find them duplicated always where the line breaks and in the next sheet where they continue.
greetings

 

[numero1]

but it is right so, the graphic symbol on both but the amount on one only.
which then is the speech of Mark if I understood correctly
I don't know what to say to you, sorry.
It is true, however, that (always as he said before) sometimes we have to break the hysus in + sheets if everything is not well on one, if you have limitations on the number of sheets is stupid.
Hi.

 

[telecad]

good day number1,
the material puts it twice, so you have to delete by hand on one of the two sheets where the line breaks. and this is not the only reason why we must pass by autocad.
greetings