do you know cadmatic?

[gricozzi]

Good morning.

I finally send some examples of isometrics, especially those of power. I will send you more examples as soon as I can.. .

on the points raised by my last intervention I would like to stress that at the time when the official channels of the support will notice a mistake such as the one reported by the drivers will be cadmatic development to solve it urgently, being clearly a malfunction on your project!

on the need to change in autocad besides the materials I do not find myself online...in cadmatic the graphic modification is feasible inside the pipe tool (even if in the new version 6.1 is now called isometric piping & spools...so it will be longer to say the name of the module that pull out an isometric in demonstration!), the only change that will never be made to do inside the isometric module (and here if confirmed the error on the weights I agree with the comment of marcobi, there is evidently some configuration error (it is aimed at a wrong attribute for certain components?) or lack of data (some attributes are empty?) if the weight does not come out correctly.

I would like to go and integrate another information: standard settings are used in case the project starts from the official (empty design) base, in case we are talking about it is not so, it started from a project made in 1996 (!) and then converted to version 6.0 (from 4.1 if I am not wrong). this operation has given advantages (as well as being feasible without problems in cadmatic, which is not so discounted for others!), but in this case it has also "jumped" standard configurations on the exit of isometrics. Despite this it remains always true that the administrator will always have to finish these settings on the project, as pointed out also by other comments.

 

[gricozzi]

other isometrics always power.

 

[telecad]

Good evening kind gricozzi,
I just came back from the holidays and saw what he posted. Maybe there is a different cadmatic from that of its customers. no, excuse a moment: the company where I work is your client! right to be precise: I work on a project whose administration is exclusively curated by cadmatic and to do this the model “master” is in cadmatic while the modeling work is done on a “replica” in the office by me that is in continuous connection with the master. compliments for the elaborate... beautiful... sin but that what I extract doesn't even have a comma of what she posted. if you have never seen them take the opportunity to show them to them (so at least you can tell me who to turn to reach the graphic level of what you sent her). I have also tried to reduce the number of objects but in the end cadmatic breaks me a line in many sheets: I cannot send a valve a sketch, two curves another sketch, a pair of flanges another sketch... if not the customer tells me “but where did you take these isometrics? at ikea? ”
“on the need to change in autocad besides the materials I am not online...in cadmatic the graphic modification is feasible inside the pipe tool”
r: please take a look at my drawings and then tell me. Thank you.
in the annex there are two curves of 90° rotated of 12.3 on the axis of one, in the cloud there is the graphic area of the sketch that returned me the cadmatic. I could post others but my purpose is to receive information on how to get readable and presentable iso and not complain about software. also because now the emissions are doing them by hand (see what is extracted and the time to put them in place). kind gricozzi, can you give me a suggestion? Thank you.
Good evening.

 

[telecad]

I forgot. . .
if I have more equal lines, the same objects come out with different notes: so one is to fix more than another that if anything has gone out better.
greetings

 

[telecad]

Good morning,
Waiting for gricozzi to answer me, if there's someone in the forum that can give me advice or suggest to whom to address me, I'd like to.
Thank you.
greetings

 

[numero1]

not being an expert in cults and, not knowing cadmatic I don't gamble to give advice, but I can say that I saw today his pdf and............ .

fear

 

[telecad]

kind number1,
Thanks for the answer. sees, regardless of the knowledge of a given sw, the core of the issue is to understand what you can get, that is, what kind of improved contribution can make a program compared to another. I at the moment of improvements on the working level have seen few since each iso needs "revisitation in autocad". Can I ever send the client a sketch like what I posted? I answer myself: "I'm sure not!"
greetings

 

[telecad]

Good morning,
kind gricozzi,
I hoped he would tell me something about the iso that I posted.. but let's move on.
I wanted to ask you: If the cadmatic to which I work is equal to that of its customers of the power, could you contact me with who treated the administration of the first zip that you post? If in the company from me we could get those results with all those curves and objects per line in one sketch... it would be great, and there would also be greater possibility of a possible reuse of the cadmatic for other orders. because at the moment, since the work of the iso is almost all by hand.. .
kind marcob,
I wanted to ask you if the iso you extract are close to something placed by gricozzi and me.
Thank you.
greetings

 

[MarcoBi]

Hello telecad,
iso placed by gricozzi are a cadmatic std.
I can not exclude however that they have been "adjusted" in pipes, as this is the correct cadmatic procedure. the iso that you have placed, for example, is definitely noticeable by choosing a different orientation in pipes and proper graphics (at the piping it should be at least more marked to improve legibility). in any case I use cadmatic for more than 10 years and in no case retouch the iso extracted with autocad.
See you soon.

 

[telecad]

Good evening marcobi,
Thank you for the answer, I have a doubt: but the administration of the cadmatic you use, who cares? Maybe there's the difference between mine and your own. because if the cadmatic I use is equal to your and to the customers of the gricozzi power, then it means that the difference is in who takes care of the settings. therefore the admin of your projects is not the same as mine or those of the gricozzi power.
greetings

 

[telecad]

Good morning.
question for gricozzi and marcobi.
for gricozzi:
kind gricozzi,"I used to tell me something about the hysso that I posted.. but let's move on.
I wanted to ask you: If the cadmatic to which I work is equal to that of its customers of the power, could you contact me with who treated the administration of the first zip that you post? "...if you'd like to answer, I'd like to see that I seem to have a strange cadmatic. not while she is part of this forum there seems to be two users using the cadmatic: marcobi and me. The first one says it's okay, the other one doesn't. as feedback we are on 50 and 50.. .

kind marcobi,
I wanted to ask you: but the administration of the cadmatic you use, who cares?

I saw that my attachment was viewed by 7 other users, so... if anyone else would like to add comments to anything else, I can't do anything but pleasure. Thank you.
greetings

 

[MarcoBi]

Hello telecad,
I don't understand his curiosity about who administers cadmatics. In any case, I am autonomous but I point out to you that I have been using it for more than 10 years and therefore I believe that for you that I understand it has just started, I don't write.
The problems you encounter with the extraction of isometrics do not seem to be traceable to the amination but rather to the proper use of pipes. as already mentioned a set setup and optimization of isometric with pipe tools (orientation, text size and labels, proportionality etc.) allow to avoid any further intervention outside of cadmatic that, as mentioned several times, is not the correct procedure.

 

[telecad]

kind marcobi,
Thanks for the answer. "...I don't understand his curiosity about cadmatic administrators"r: because so I would try to make contacts to solve the problem."the problems you encounter with the extraction of isometrics do not seem to me to be traceable to the amination but rather to the proper use of pipes."I don't understand. You mean I'm telling him if not in autocad "however" I have to be okay? If anything in the pipe?
If so, then I understand that we perish of the same thing... the iso is extracted and if they are ingurdable they put in place in pipes. This is already done, You think I could have sent the client the extraction I posted? no, the iso was made understandable and then sent. But I thought that the pipe module was not a forced passage, in the sense that if one really wanted to do a job of until then it would pass through the pipe, and instead it seems to me that it is up there to settle and settle. . .
But I don't understand one thing, but these Finns work like that? I think it's strange given the beautiful presentations they make. No, there's someone here who can give a system to the software, so I was asking for information, but if he doesn't want it, it's okay anyway... There will be someone who can get their hands on this program, don't you think? You have to find him.
greetings

 

[MarcoBi]

my advice remains:
- do an administration course
- learn how to use the pipe mdule proficiently (which is not an isometric extraction module but a series of useful tools for the customization and production of isometrics)
- avoid retouching after the extraction of the isometric (in cadmatic, if you know how to use it is never necessary).
Say hi.

 

[telecad]

kind marcobi,
Thanks for the answer."My advice remains:
- do an administration course"exact, but since the administration of the project I'm working on is curated by cadmatic and not by me or other colleagues... If someone else has to do this, don't you think?
for the rest I share what he says trusting me on the word (I default always take for good everything then I confirm then I make my assessments). Would you please me? Would you post me, possibly even in private, or how does an iso not touched in pipe?
Thank you.
greetings

 

[MarcoBi]

My iso not touched in pipes?
Sorry, I don't understand. pipe is not a program to extract isometrics. pipe is the program to extract and manage isometrics. Why would I do without it? extraction and subsequent processing in pipes are cadmatic std. This does not take away that with a proper setting and with a correct setting you can extract isometrics without "add them" like you in pipes, but obviously I do not care why I do not extract isometrics of a flange and a curve. as I said you use pipes to the best and you will see that the 2 minutes that will spend on each isometric will still be less than those that normally spend with other sw where customization is not at all within the reach of the user.
Say hi.

 

[telecad]

kind marcobi,
Thanks for the answer.
I know what the pipe module is and in fact I wanted to understand if it was possible to "avoid" this passage: that is to avoid being there to fix the iso with the commands that are to disposition. I'm sorry, I don't understand this passage: "The extraction and subsequent processing in pipes are cadmatic std." So is it mandatory to switch to the pipe module? I don't understand why then she writes: "i.e. it doesn't take that with a proper setting, you can extract isometrics without "add them" as you say in pipes." Here, I am interested in the second option but I don't think it depends on me, but from "a proper settling". "as I said, you use pipes to the best and you'll see that 2 minutes... " Excuse me but also reducing to two bends however 2 minutes is not enough. But a certain logical thread the cadmatic has (of course what I use): in fact if you reduce the iso to 2 objects, there will be to settle the information of two objects only; if these increase to 3 there will be to fix the indications of 3 objects, if 4 then 4 and so on. in practice to stay only 2 minutes in pipe you have to break sketches up to 1 object at a time. therefore the greater the number of elements per iso and the more increases the time to spend in the pipe module. so it takes one who is able to put his hands in cadmatic to "jump" the pipe.

 

[MarcoBi]

No, it's not. the cadmatic pipe module, I repeat, is not a module for the extraction of isometric but a complete program that allows you to extract, edit graphically and facilitate reading of isometrics. This means that as you probably can also locally resize the isometric, orient it differently on the three floors (when there are special needs due to bayonets or other), increase or minimize the size of each graphic component of the isometric, increase or minimize the spacing between the various components the isometric, eliminate or add quotas and other information, import and insert details and much more.
option 2 as she says it does not allow control of isometric in the sense that if then the label of the component overcomes the quota line, if it keeps it so or passes through pipes.
In any case, in order to reduce this discussion to the minimum terms, I will tell you that if you do not want to use the sw with the tools that the same makes available then I am not exactly how to help you.
try with another sw, customizing every single component, customizing output to your needs, crushing the fateful button and getting what you want. Then he'll tell me.
See you soon.

 

[telecad]

good day marcobi,
Thanks for the answer.
I now understand why pds and pdms are the most used in the oil &gas sector."You try with another sw, customizing every single component, customizing output to your needs, crushing the fateful button and getting what you want. Then he'll tell me. ".
I reply immediately: in pdms I "scanned the fateful button" and the iso was perfect (I remember that I am modeler and not administrator). Other colleagues who use both pds and pdms click and... puff! iso without problems. It is true that behind an or sketch in line with the business needs there is a work not indifferent to the administrator of turn, but this serves to avoid losing time to fix the hysus later. It is also true that if pdms and pds are the most used is because they can set up to satisfy the customer's requests avoiding that the user is there to move the labels that overlap, scale the components, reposition the information whose lines intersect, possibly orient the hysus on the axles...( but I do not first to hand them?- bah?!)
Yeah, let's talk about the same pipe. in pdms I did not lose all this time.
However, it cannot be said that companies opting (costs permitting) for pdms and pds do not make a great choice.
remains the fact that his cadmatic works and what I use leaves to want. I hoped that gricozzi would make himself felt for suggestions since he posted his isometric lords without specifying whether they were either re-set in pipes, but being sales manager can only highlight the strengths leaving some small uncomfortable detail (for those who use it); and it is right that it is, because his work is that. Obviously cadmatic this can offer.
Say hi.

 

[MarcoBi]

Well, I'm glad you finally made the mistake clear. She obviously wants a sw that "scratching the button" produces an isometric to be delivered to the customer. I hope for her that she has only one type of client (or only one sector of operation), because otherwise her system administrator will have to struggle not little to satisfy them all. in any way she escapes that the philosophy of cadmatic is profoundly different from that of pds or pdms (which I invite her to customize as she can do with cadmatic). the alias isogen module that is used by pds and pdms is the world std for the production of isometrics. this is the invitation to use it in the cartier or food environment with the same results as the proven oil&gas or simply the invitation to customize it to its needs. in any case, now that it has understood that pipe is the tool to generate and emit isometrics with cadmatic, I am sure will manage to solve, without successive autocad touches, all its problem of graphic and functional order.
Say hi.